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The 2014 game was just as epic!
2014 was good, but that team was flawed and they didn't have the drama that the 2012 game had with Golson going down, plus Manti and the defense coming up with the big stop on Stanford's dominant running game.
 

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Pac 12 the only conference without a loss.... it's a shame what is happening
 

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2014 was good, but that team was flawed and they didn't have the drama that the 2012 game had with Golson going down, plus Manti and the defense coming up with the big stop on Stanford's dominant running game.
Looking back, yes.
At the time it was a huge win on fourth and forever to push us to 5-0.
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Looking back, yes.
At the time it was a huge win on fourth and forever to push us to 5-0.
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It was a good moment, but it was one 20 second play to a wide open TE (That they stretched out to a minute and a half with slo mo). It wasn't 4 stops at 1st and goal against one of Stanford's best teams. That 2014 ND team ultimately crumbled at the end of the season so that win didn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. That Stanford team in 2014 would also go on to lose 3 more games, while the 2012 Stanford team never lost another game after us going 12-2 on the season. The 2012 win had a much bigger impact.
 

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Pass. Join the Big 10, collect huge money, and play awesome games amongst PSU, OSU, Michigan, USC, Nebraska and others. Drop Stanford and add an OOC game in FL or Texas.

I'm so over modern Independence. Good in theory, was great for a long time, but it isn't optimal anymore. Can't wait for Jack to take a hike. It will happen eventually and once it does we'll all wonder why it took so long.

Lost time on the inevitable right move is the biggest loss in business, etc.
Interesting how split ppl are on this.

I'll add that having other conference refs for every game can go to hell along with independence.
 

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Interesting how split ppl are on this.

I'll add that having other conference refs for every game can go to hell along with independence.
I used to be indy or bust till the wheels fell off! But the deal with the ACC really diminished my view on it. When a conference dictates 5 out of 12 games it makes it seem hollow. In addition, our locked games of USC and Navy and up to recently Stanford makes it even lamer. If we continue to play Stanford we might well just say we're playing 6 ACC teams. I hate the ACC deal.
 

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Interesting how split ppl are on this.

I'll add that having other conference refs for every game can go to hell along with independence.
Staying independence is the definite move for the time being. The conference shuffle isn't finished and it is best to sit tight and wait for the wreckage to end before making any crazy decisions to affiliate with a conference.

ND currently has everything they want/need. Why get caught up in the chaos?
 

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Staying independence is the definite move for the time being. The conference shuffle isn't finished and it is best to sit tight and wait for the wreckage to end before making any crazy decisions to affiliate with a conference.

ND currently has everything they want/need. Why get caught up in the chaos?
Because:

1) Missing out on Revenue 2) Getting forced 1st round games in new playoff System 3) Having ~7 opponent BYE weeks before our routine games 4) Playing Michigan/OSU/PSU/Still USC/an SEC school on a regular basis sounds way better than Navy and especially Stanford 5) The Shamrock series is no longer unique. Any team with pull can do an international or unique domestic location if they want.

Probably more reasons but thats off the top of my head. Just my opinion.

I'll add, playing conference title games doesn't scare me. It works both ways, you can play you're way in just as much as out. And that week is an awesome week of football and I'd love to have a fan interest in it.
 
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1) Missing out on Revenue
LOL
2) Getting forced 1st round games in new playoff System
As you point out yourself later this is a wash because we don't have to play a CCG. I'd rather make the playoffs and have a home game at ND stadium.
3) Having ~7 opponent BYE weeks before our routine games 4) Playing Michigan/OSU/PSU/Still USC/an SEC school on a regular basis sounds way better than Navy and especially Stanford
First of all independence means point 3 is at our own discretion to do if we feel like. Second you can't complain about the difficulty of our schedule and then turn around and say you want us to play PSU/Michigan/OSU/USC/ and an SEC school.
 

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LOL

As you point out yourself later this is a wash because we don't have to play a CCG. I'd rather make the playoffs and have a home game at ND stadium.

First of all independence means point 3 is at our own discretion to do if we feel like. Second you can't complain about the difficulty of our schedule and then turn around and say you want us to play PSU/Michigan/OSU/USC/ and an SEC school.
LOL'ing off the bat to the revenue difference compared to BIG 10 means you're unserious about the topic.

I'd rather play a playoff game at home and have to also play a Conference title game. But this one is more personal preference. That weekend of football might be the best of the year and I want ND to be part of it, for better or worse.

Never did I say I want the schedule to be easier. Stanford is boring and gives them relevence. It's just not a good game.
 

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Because:

1) Missing out on Revenue 2) Getting forced 1st round games in new playoff System 3) Having ~7 opponent BYE weeks before our routine games 4) Playing Michigan/OSU/PSU/Still USC/an SEC school on a regular basis sounds way better than Navy and especially Stanford 5) The Shamrock series is no longer unique. Any team with pull can do an international or unique domestic location if they want.

Probably more reasons but thats off the top of my head. Just my opinion.

I'll add, playing conference title games doesn't scare me. It works both ways, you can play you're way in just as much as out. And that week is an awesome week of football and I'd love to have a fan interest in it.
1) ND will be just fine in the revenue department
2) Home tournament game in South Bend? Yes, please. Plus that home game will bring in the revenue you think we need.
3) How many regular season ACC games does ND lose? Oh, that's right, ZERO! Those BYES don't mean squat...
4) The Navy game is never going away. Even if ND joins a conference. And, more Tennessee State games, please.
5) Yes, it is. It is always played in a great venue with special uniforms and it's a night game.
 

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LOL'ing off the bat to the revenue difference compared to BIG 10 means you're unserious about the topic.
The difference between the B1G deals and what our new NBC contract will bring in is a rounding error for Notre Dame. The University and program don't care and have been perfectly fine losing money to stay independent for years.
Never did I say I want the schedule to be easier. Stanford is boring and gives them relevence. It's just not a good game.
ND is independent. We don't have to schedule Stanford. Joining the B1G is irrelevant to this point.
 

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1) ND will be just fine in the revenue department
2) Home tournament game in South Bend? Yes, please. Plus that home game will bring in the revenue you think we need.
3) How many regular season ACC games does ND lose? Oh, that's right, ZERO! Those BYES don't mean squat...
4) The Navy game is never going away. Even if ND joins a conference. And, more Tennessee State games, please.
5) Yes, it is. It is always played in a great venue with special uniforms and it's a night game.
I would also add that playing Stanford doesn't make them relevant just like playing Duke or Navy doesn't make them relevant.
 

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The difference between the B1G deals and what our new NBC contract will bring in is a rounding error for Notre Dame. The University and program don't care and have been perfectly fine losing money to stay independent for years.

ND is independent. We don't have to schedule Stanford. Joining the B1G is irrelevant to this point.
How can you call us independent? When we do not dictate nearly half our schedule? We just supply dates? We are quisi-indy
 

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How can you call us independent? When we do not dictate nearly half our schedule? We just supply dates? We are quisi-indy
Getting bent over for playing into ~7 BYEs a year is wild. No one doing rankings gives a shit you played teams with BYEs, but it's a huge advantage. We've been lucky thus far to avoid losses, but games much more close than probably necessary.
 

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Getting bent over for playing into ~7 BYEs a year is wild. No one doing rankings gives a shit you played teams with BYEs, but it's a huge advantage. We've been lucky thus far to avoid losses, but games much more close than probably necessary.
Guess ND's record with a rest disadvantage since 2016.

It's 22-3, it's a nothingburger. ND has a higher win % than Georgia, LSU, USC, Michigan, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Texas when playing teams that have a rest advantage.

I hope teams keep scheduling byes before ND.
 

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Guess ND's record with a rest disadvantage since 2016.

It's 22-3, it's a nothingburger. ND has a higher win % than Georgia, LSU, USC, Michigan, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Texas when playing teams that have a rest advantage.

I hope teams keep scheduling byes before ND.
Leave it to the accountant to bring the numbers. ;)
 

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If we think we'll still be able to schedule as an independent (Or quasi-independent) even after conference realignment then it's probably best to remain an independent.
If there's a chance we'll run into scheduling conflicts when the dust settles then it's better to make the move and join the B1G or SEC now while we have bargaining power. If we're forced to join a conference due to scheduling concerns then we lose some negotiations leverage.
 

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If we think we'll still be able to schedule as an independent (Or quasi-independent) even after conference realignment then it's probably best to remain an independent.
If there's a chance we'll run into scheduling conflicts when the dust settles then it's better to make the move and join the B1G or SEC now while we have bargaining power. If we're forced to join a conference due to scheduling concerns then we lose some negotiations leverage.

What would we ask for if we were being forced to join a conference? We're going to get full membership rights wherever we go. What else would we realistically be looking for?

I don't think the B1G would kick out Michigan, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.
 

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What would we ask for if we were being forced to join a conference? We're going to get full membership rights wherever we go. What else would we realistically be looking for?

I don't think the B1G would kick out Michigan, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.
Bigger piece of the revenue? Preferential scheduling to accommodate rivals? Free continental breakfasts?

I don't know. When the big boys are bidding for your membership you're in control. When you're coming to them hat in hand you play by their rules.
 

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If we think we'll still be able to schedule as an independent (Or quasi-independent) even after conference realignment then it's probably best to remain an independent.
If there's a chance we'll run into scheduling conflicts when the dust settles then it's better to make the move and join the B1G or SEC now while we have bargaining power. If we're forced to join a conference due to scheduling concerns then we lose some negotiations leverage.
Nope. We are Notre Freaking Dame. We will get what we ask for no matter when the conference affiliation happens.
 
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