2023 Week 0 Prediction Poll: Navy vs. (13) Notre Dame

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Navy vs. (13) Notre Dame
Line: Notre Dame -20.5
Saturday, August 26, 2023
Aviva Stadium - Dublin, Ireland
2:30 PM EST
NBC

Votes are public.

Welcome back to our weekly Wednesday morning prediction poll! Just like last year, I will try my best to carve out some time during the week and get a spreadsheet going to track these results. Our champion last year, @Pops Freshenmeyer , won with 5 points.
 
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There is a changing of the guard for Navy at head coach after long time coach Ken Niumatalolo stepped down at the conclusion of last season. After many successful seasons and an 11-2 record in 2019, Navy had won only 11 games over the past three seasons total. Enter Brian Newberry, previously Navy's DC, now the HC. Don't expect to see many changes defensively, as Navy had a pretty stout defense last Season. They were #1 in the AAC 3rd down defense, #2 in the conference in sacks, and #2 nationally in run defense.

Offensively, Newberry tabbed former Kennesaw St OC Grant Chestnut to run the middling Mids option attack, and to slightly revamp their approach. Don't expect the option attack to be abandoned, it will likely still be their bread and butter, but Chestnut will look to add more to the mix. Expect to see a bit more of a passing element to their approach. Luckily for the Irish, the secondary is their strength, so long as the DBs stay disciplined in their responsibilities and don't get caught with their eyes in the backfield trying to decipher the misdirection running attack.

Hopefully Sam Hartman and his young WRs can find success early and often to put some pressure on the Navy offense and get them out of their run and grind the clock approach. Although Navy was a very respectable defense last year, the strength of the ND offense is still up front and their deep stable of RBs, led by Estime. I expect we'll see plenty of Irish points with a multiple offensive approach, keeping Navy off balance. If the offense struggles early, it will be interesting to see Gerad Parker's chops, particularly with his mid-game adjustments. Navy adjusted at halftime last year and got the best of Tommy Rees, and almost led to a dramatic Navy comeback. I expect to see an aggressive defensive approach from Navy again early and often, attempting to stop the run and put pressure on the Irish WRs.

My prediction: ND covers, but barely.

ND 38, Navy 17
 

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I predict the worst humiliation of the United States Navy since Bainbridge visited the Dey of Algiers.
 

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I think it's going to be a bloodbath. Navy's offense will probably have some surprises and a few big plays but I don't expect their bread and butter to work against ND's linebackers. As was pointed out to me earlier this week, Bertrand missed Navy last year. On the other side of the ball, Navy will make themselves very vulnerable to the screen game - which Hartman can run flawlessly.

The only reason I'm picking the game to be this close is Navy's propensity to burn clock and ND will go to backups early, if possible.
 

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I think it's going to be a bloodbath. Navy's offense will probably have some surprises and a few big plays but I don't expect their bread and butter to work against ND's linebackers. As was pointed out to me earlier this week, Bertrand missed Navy last year. On the other side of the ball, Navy will make themselves very vulnerable to the screen game - which Hartman can run flawlessly.

The only reason I'm picking the game to be this close is Navy's propensity to burn clock and ND will go to backups early, if possible.
I'm really hoping we see Angeli and let him run the offense. Going to be critical to get him some live reps ahead of 2024.
 

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Let 'em know that there's new levels to this with a legit skilled QB in the huddle, Sam.

(Had a dream the other night that I had a commitment come up on game day, couldn't watch the game, tried to get score updates, but the app would only load "21-3" with no time clock and no teams populating to say which was which. I could feel my heart rate elevated in my sleep while I stressed trying to figure it out. Got home and confirmed ND lost 21-3, front page of The Athletic was "Hartman Debut a Dud; Long Flight Home for Irish." Worst dream I've had in ages. The worst part was I knew I was dreaming, but in the dream, I convinced myself "no, you would know if this is a dream. This is real, unfortunately." Woke up convinced that ND had lost and I had somehow missed the game and that it was a shitty Sunday morning. Took me another 5 minutes of laying there to realize it was a football nightmare.)
 

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I think it will be a close one (ND by 7-13).

It might take the offense a minute to really gel. A couple miscommunications on the line or receivers running the wrong route could be drive altering plays. Hartman and Estime likely means we score a good bit, but fans are going to be left wanting at the end of the game.

As for defense, Golden has a bad record against triple option teams. Combine that with the fact its a new OC, and I could see it taking us a very long time to adjust, and even when we do, Navy having a counter to our adjustment that catches us off guard.

And then there is just the general setting. First game, against a relatively weak opponent, after flying across the Atlantic and spending a few days in a new country. I could see it making us come out flat. On the other hand, I think Navy would be disciplined and able to get themselves up for what is probably one of the 3 biggest games on their schedule.

Talent difference alone should mean ND wins, but not by the margin bookmakers are giving it.
 

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I think this is a very good Notre Dame team that is going to absolutely light up Navy. 52-28. Game is not nearly as close as final score indicates. Navy gets 2 4th quarter TD's with 2nd and 3rd stringers in on defense.
 

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The new clock rules this year will somewhat prevent ND from running up the score. That Navy offense continues to limit the number of drives available. ND still wins going away but two fewer possessions keeps the score from being 50+.
 

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Last year with Pyne at QB, we never really answered the question of whether MF will let his foot off the gas in the 4th quarter like BK.

My guess is that he wont.
 

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I've said it since the Spring, I have a hard time understanding how opposing defenses will be able to consistently stop this offense. They finally have a QB that'll punish defenses for stacking the box, to go along with a strong OL and running game.

On defense, Notre Dame has a whole bunch of leadership and experience at LB. That is important when facing the triple option. Compared to last year, Notre Dame is significantly bigger on the interior DL. It sounds like Navy has a QB shuffle going on, which is never good for an offense.

I've ben hearing all Fall camp long that this Irish team is deeper and faster than in years past. Lets see it.

Notre Dame: 38
Navy: 17
 

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I think this is a very good Notre Dame team that is going to absolutely light up Navy. 52-28. Game is not nearly as close as final score indicates. Navy gets 2 4th quarter TD's with 2nd and 3rd stringers in on defense.
I would like and be disappointed with this. In a regular schedule the 2's/3's would get next to no prep for Navy. Now that it's first game of the year, the 2's/3's get reps and should be much more prepared than a "non first game of the year". ND plans to use depth this year all over the defense, so I want to see them be succesful (as well all do). Maybe i should say, i expect them to be successful.
 

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I've said it since the Spring, I have a hard time understanding how opposing defenses will be able to consistently stop this offense. They finally have a QB that'll punish defenses for stacking the box, to go along with a strong OL and running game.

On defense, Notre Dame has a whole bunch of leadership and experience at LB. That is important when facing the triple option. Compared to last year, Notre Dame is significantly bigger on the interior DL. It sounds like Navy has a QB shuffle going on, which is never good for an offense.

I've ben hearing all Fall camp long that this Irish team is deeper and faster than in years past. Lets see it.

Notre Dame: 38
Navy: 17
We have the characteristics (if the WR play is what we think it can be) of the top Georgia/Bama national championship offenses. Not saying we'll be that good, but the difficulty to defend. Interior Oline needs to be ready, they will be attacked.
 

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Line is so damn low it scares me. Should beat the by 30+ if we are a top 10 team.

The line has actually grown larger over the past month or so. It was around 19 in June. 21 feels right to me. Navy’s defense is still their strength and, if it’s a blowout, I’m sure their starting O would score a couple on the ND backups
 

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Freeman knows all attention is on ND this week. A blowout this week carries more weight than most other weeks and they go for it. 48-10 and Gerald is Gerald for at least one week.
 

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In the past two seasons (not exactly impressive for Navy), when getting 12 points or more as the underdog, Navy was 6-0 vs the spread. Last year, ND was 3-5 vs the spread as the favorite. 1-5 when giving six or more points.

It’s also supposed to rain so I think Navy covers but ND wins.

I would also like to go on record as hating these games overseas. I see no advantage for the players & coaches. I do sincerely hope all you on this board who are attending experience safe travels & have a wonderful trip that is capped off by a comfortable ND win. But for the squad considering their heavy workload on & off the gridiron, it’s a lot to ask of them considering the time & travel they are enduring.
 

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50 burger. Irish by 35+

Let 'em know that there's new levels to this with a legit skilled QB in the huddle, Sam.

(Had a dream the other night that I had a commitment come up on game day, couldn't watch the game, tried to get score updates, but the app would only load "21-3" with no time clock and no teams populating to say which was which. I could feel my heart rate elevated in my sleep while I stressed trying to figure it out. Got home and confirmed ND lost 21-3, front page of The Athletic was "Hartman Debut a Dud; Long Flight Home for Irish." Worst dream I've had in ages. The worst part was I knew I was dreaming, but in the dream, I convinced myself "no, you would know if this is a dream. This is real, unfortunately." Woke up convinced that ND had lost and I had somehow missed the game and that it was a shitty Sunday morning. Took me another 5 minutes of laying there to realize it was a football nightmare.)
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In the past two seasons (not exactly impressive for Navy), when getting 12 points or more as the underdog, Navy was 6-0 vs the spread. Last year, ND was 3-5 vs the spread as the favorite. 1-5 when giving six or more points.

It’s also supposed to rain so I think Navy covers but ND wins.

I would also like to go on record as hating these games overseas. I see no advantage for the players & coaches. I do sincerely hope all you on this board who are attending experience safe travels & have a wonderful trip that is capped off by a comfortable ND win. But for the squad considering their heavy workload on & off the gridiron, it’s a lot to ask of them considering the time & travel they are enduring.

No it is not. Game time weather is 61 degrees and clear.
 

Some Irish Bloke

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Line is so damn low it scares me. Should beat the by 30+ if we are a top 10 team.
You'd think so, right? But the academies are actually pretty tough against two TD + spreads. Army, Navy and Air Force are a combined 20-10-1 against two touchdown or more spreads since '06. You have to be sure to score on every possession to blow them out, because they're so damn good at limiting your possessions by controlling the clock.

If we cover by 3TDs, I think that's' a "blowout" in a game of this nature.
 
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