Russia Invades Ukraine

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Russia is more than able to return to respecting Ukraine's borders as agreed upon in 1994, like right now. This instant Putin could say, "you know all that talk about returning Russia to it pre-soviet borders, I changed my mind, not going to work towards that anymore" and the war in Ukraine would be over rather quickly.
And Ukraine is more than able to sign a nonalignment pact just like the US made Mexico sign saying it will not join any hostile military pacts such as NATO. No matter what Russia will never secede control of Crimea back to Ukraine it is Russias only warm water port and military base. The west knew this when it organized, funded, and launched a coup inside Ukraine.
 

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And Ukraine is more than able to sign a nonalignment pact just like the US made Mexico sign saying it will not join any hostile military pacts such as NATO. No matter what Russia will never secede control of Crimea back to Ukraine it is Russias only warm water port and military base. The west knew this when it organized, funded, and launched a coup inside Ukraine.
Lol, You mean like they actually did in 1994?

You know, when the US and Russia strong-armed Ukraine into giving up it's huge nuclear weapons arsenal for security assurances? The Budapest Memorandum? The agreement Russia violated when it annexed Crimea in 2014. The one Russia violated again in 2022. The one Russia violates every single day.

You believe everyone should just accept that because the Soviets migrated a bunch of Russians into Crimea, Ukraine should allow Russia to take it back, or shoot, even let it secede? Despite Russia agreeing to respect Ukraine's borders in exchange for the world's 3rd largest supply (at the time) of nuclear weapons.

:LOL:

Russia is only even somewhat a near peer of the US because of nukes. Whataboutism trying to draw parallels is illogical.
 
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"This war would be over if the party in the wrong just conceded" Someone takes your wallet they should say sorry and give it back. So simple and the right thing to do, why doesn't life work that way?
Of course it doesn’t work like that, but ndfanatic78’s suggestion is that you and your mugger agree to split the cash, he gets your credit card, and you get to keep your ID.
 

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Damn you all really have proven how far American education has fallen. Keep cheering on death and destruction and ignore the true causes of what got us here. Keep on making dumb as jokes that contribute nothing. The death stalkers sate a love and well in the good ole US. How many years of Americas existence has it been at war? And way to take shit from the board to the actual football boards Gattaca. You did exactly what the mods warned about dick head.
 
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Lol, You mean like they actually did in 1994?

You know, when the US and Russia strong-armed Ukraine into giving up it's huge nuclear weapons arsenal for security assurances? The Budapest Memorandum? The agreement Russia violated when it annexed Crimea in 2014. The one Russia violated again in 2022. The one Russia violates every single day.

You believe everyone should just accept that because the Soviets migrated a bunch of Russians into Crimea, Ukraine should allow Russia to take it back, or shoot, even let it secede? Despite Russia agreeing to respect Ukraine's borders in exchange for the world's 3rd largest supply (at the time) of nuclear weapons.

:LOL:

Russia is only even somewhat a near peer of the US because of nukes. Whataboutism trying to draw parallels is illogical.
They gave Ukraine Crimea when Ukraine was an independent nation and still an ally of Russia and Ukraine let Russia continue to the Russian Naval base. As soon as the western coup happened and Russia knew they would lose their only warm water naval base they took it back.

You act like America has never reneged on its treaties. I think the whole First Nations of America would like to have a word. You act like the US hasn’t done the same shit. How’s things going in Libya right now? What part of any of what is going on is funny you douche bag. Thousands are dying and you are getting your jollies off talking shit on a message board.
 
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Of course it doesn’t work like that, but ndfanatic78’s suggestion is that you and your mugger agree to split the cash, he gets your credit card, and you get to keep your ID.
Great fucking take dbag. Comparing international affairs to a mugging is such a false equivalency. That’s like comparing the national budget to a typical single family budget they don’t equate. You do realize this is going to eventually be decided by a negotiated peace agreement like every other foreign dispute. The only yet to be decided is how much death and destruction happens first, but keep being a smart ass and cheering that death machine on. You seem great at it.
 

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I'm guessing you have a subscription to Vedomosti, Kommersant or the Moscow times?
Why because I don’t believe western propaganda and actually have been paying attention to this situation since the western coup of 2014? All reported in western publications. They even talked about the nazis in the Maidan square, western funding, and Victoria Nuland stating the US would decide who the next ruler of Ukraine would be.

Also released was that the European Union was split over the coup because they knew it was picking a fight with Moscow. Holy shit they must have premonitions because they saw what stupid Americans still can’t see, and damn they were right.
 

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Without the US lend-lease act moscow would have fallen in WW2 to the Germans. Russia nothing but a modern day fascist state waging war on a independent country.
 

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I see some of you are still holding out hope that thousands of more Ukrainians and Russians die in order for Ukraine to win this war. The sad thing is the west and Russia seem hell bent on accomplishing that and the public seems to be cheering it on rather than trying to make both sides come to a table and negotiate. How far has the Ukrainian offensive gotten, a few kilometers and at what cost? This whole thing is sickening and the fact that there are Americans cheering this massacre on like Ukraine is actually going to win. Best case scenario is this ends in a stalemate and eventually there is a diplomatic solution to save lives. Worst case scenario Ukraine is turned into a third world country and loses the majority of its 18 - 22 year olds.

Just a friendly reminder without Russia we would all be speaking German right now. How many million Russians were killed in WWII? You really think they are going to back down in any way? This is either going to grind on for years with thousands more dead and billions lost or people are going to realize the only resolution to this is a diplomatic one.


The USSR sacrificed to beat the Nazis. That includes Ukranians, Tatarstan, Kazakhs, Georgians, Armenians, etc. Many decisive battles there were fought in Ukraine.

If you want to take the historical route, remember Crimea was given to Ukraine in the 50s largely because its agriculture was a disaster and Kruschev thought Ukranian management of irrigation would go better.

Go back a few decades and you see Stalin moving/ethnically cleansing Crimea and moving ethnic Russians in. Around the same time he starved the Ukranians in the Holodomir to build up currency to fund industrialization. And the US was the country that helped them do that (the payed Ford for expertise in building up their industrial base).
 

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Without the US lend-lease act moscow would have fallen in WW2 to the Germans. Russia nothing but a modern day fascist state waging war on a independent country.

Russia was winning regardless but yes, it certainly speeded things up. Remember, Russia was perfectly willing to burn down Moscow and retreat east and north against Napoleon.

And just like winter stopped Napoleon, it stopped the Germans.
 

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This seems like a legit coup attempt. Panic at the Kremlin as nobody can get ahold of Putin.
 

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Russia was winning regardless but yes, it certainly speeded things up. Remember, Russia was perfectly willing to burn down Moscow and retreat east and north against Napoleon.

And just like winter stopped Napoleon, it stopped the Germans.

But without Lend Lease who is feeding said army and keeping tanks/munitions going?
 

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But without Lend Lease who is feeding said army and keeping tanks/munitions going?

They were ready to move all manufacturing to the east and then do what they did(but two years later):

round up 20 million soldiers, point guns at their backs and command them to march west.

Lend lease kept them in the game in the short term and shortened the war by 2 or 3 years. Definitely important and worth it.
 

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Someone’s getting thrown out a window soon.

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So if Shoigu and Gerasimov are incompetent and getting Russians slaughtered, don’t we want Wagner destroyed? Or we just cheering for an all out brawl here?
 

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I’ve never gotten this take ever. If you really think the Germans were capable of crossing the Atlantic and defeat the USA/Canada you’re dumber than I thought.
For real. They couldn't even cross the Channel and invade England.
 
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