Russia Invades Ukraine
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ndfanatic78
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Could this get any wilder. How could Putin possibly let the Wagner group still exist after an insurrection like this. They invaded their own country. Even if they were justified they 100% just challenged Putin's and the sitting govt.'s legitimacy. There's no way they could be aloud to continue to exist.
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Knowing Putin they probably won't. Public, private, some form of executions will occur.
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And if you're part of the Wagner group would you ever trust these promises anyways?
I wonder if this is temporary appeasement from Wagner. They wouldn't want to march 12 hours and try to take the Kremlin in the same day. Maybe they fake surrender talks so they aren't getting bombed throughout the night and then continue on tomorrow?
We can hope
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They were trying to bomb them and lost 7 aircraft along the way.
This is bizarre and pathetic from both sides. He was 200 miles away. Moscow caved to a bunch of mobsters in uniforms.
Oh well, it was a fun day and a half.
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Wagner shot down up to 7 russian military aircraft today.
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I'm so confused. What a weird situation.
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Guy blew it, could have stormed moscow and saved so many lives with outing putin.
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How could he do that to his men who are loyal to them. Their families are being kidnapped and will probably be killed with many of them. Disgusting.
Hope it’s not as simple as they nabbed up his family and forced him to cave.
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And now it is all over . . . Much is still unclear, and some things are head scratchers for sure, time will play it out. Russian false flag? Prigozhin's instability led him to a terrible move and he retreats as he comes to his senses? If Prigozhin was in fact aiming to take control of the Russian military, was he given false promises about his personal safety if he retreated? It seems highly unlikely he actually tried to take over as the lead of Russian military and will face no charges or penalty. Both things being true seems very unlikely. More likely is was a false flag, or he will face severe consequences.
One thing is clear. "The Putin/Russia is collapsing" Western/MSM narrative is found to be false once again.
One thing is clear. "The Putin/Russia is collapsing" Western/MSM narrative is found to be false once again.
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russians cheering on wagner mercenaries hours after putin came out saying they betrayed their country. hmm
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After this what happens? Does Putin get paranoid and start purging people? Does someone make a move on Putin?
Also has to feel like a shot in the arm to the Ukranians.
Also has to feel like a shot in the arm to the Ukranians.
Eat a dick
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Are you 11? Fooled me for a while, I thought you were at least 15
I propose a poll. Let people vote and one of us leaves the island. Either me the retard or you Putin’s gimp. Fair?
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You win this cracked me up
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FWIW: I believe that the media had plenty of information but decided to forget some of it and, due to that, misread this situation. What they forgot for some dumb reason was the history that the Wagner boss had with the high military. He and the Russian chief and the head of their Defense Department have a long history of hatred. When the Wagner boss realized that his personnel were in extra danger because of the incompetency from up top, he complained vigorously about that. Putin refused to cave because his up top guys are more important and controllable than Wagner. Then Wagner had an airstrike called down on them. Whether deliberate (doubtful) or due to incompetence (likely) or due to simply bad war management (also likely), the Wagner Boss had had enough. Putin would not respond through any regular channels, and the top brass refused his demands for direct face-to-face.
Now came the tipping point. This guy is not anti-Russia, nor is he anti-War. He is in fact a monster who wants to fight war as dirty and as scorched Earth as possible. And with as little incompetent personnel loss as possible --- he is a nothing else matters but victory killing machine and he is good at it. He has also become recognized for that unique (in Russia) "expertise." He is furious that he cannot run this war as he believes it must be run, and more furious that he is uselessly losing Wagner troops. In his constricted world, there are only two options: Back Wagner out of the War and refuse to fight until he gets change; or march right up to the Kremlin and demand change. THE CHANGE THAT HE DEMANDS IS NOT PUTIN. He actually thinks that Putin will see that his cronies are botching this, and will demand a war change.
BUT he misjudges Putin. Prigozhin is all about War. Putin is all about Mad Chess. Putin CANNOT do what Prigozhin wants and remain the Mad Chess Master. So Prigozhin fails and does so because he really DOESN'T want to spill Russian blood except for a couple of Kremlin higher-ups. And he certainly doesn't want to spill Wagner blood. I was amazed that anyone found a way out of this which has seemed so non-violent.
The bottomline: Putin and his power manipulation remains pretty much intact.
Ukraine gets something big out of this, but not the kind of things that are usually talked about. What Ukraine seems to have gotten out of this is WAGNER GONE. That's not the world, but that's still quite a relief. Nothing in this lessens one iota the need to continue to pour aid of all types into the Ukraine society and military.
Now came the tipping point. This guy is not anti-Russia, nor is he anti-War. He is in fact a monster who wants to fight war as dirty and as scorched Earth as possible. And with as little incompetent personnel loss as possible --- he is a nothing else matters but victory killing machine and he is good at it. He has also become recognized for that unique (in Russia) "expertise." He is furious that he cannot run this war as he believes it must be run, and more furious that he is uselessly losing Wagner troops. In his constricted world, there are only two options: Back Wagner out of the War and refuse to fight until he gets change; or march right up to the Kremlin and demand change. THE CHANGE THAT HE DEMANDS IS NOT PUTIN. He actually thinks that Putin will see that his cronies are botching this, and will demand a war change.
BUT he misjudges Putin. Prigozhin is all about War. Putin is all about Mad Chess. Putin CANNOT do what Prigozhin wants and remain the Mad Chess Master. So Prigozhin fails and does so because he really DOESN'T want to spill Russian blood except for a couple of Kremlin higher-ups. And he certainly doesn't want to spill Wagner blood. I was amazed that anyone found a way out of this which has seemed so non-violent.
The bottomline: Putin and his power manipulation remains pretty much intact.
Ukraine gets something big out of this, but not the kind of things that are usually talked about. What Ukraine seems to have gotten out of this is WAGNER GONE. That's not the world, but that's still quite a relief. Nothing in this lessens one iota the need to continue to pour aid of all types into the Ukraine society and military.