Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[PutuporShutup]

On a completely different note from whatever is going on here, if anyone wants to burn an hour at work today, I found a video that might interest you. Its a breakdown of Luke Fickell's defense, but that means its also a breakdown of Freeman's defenses when he was at Cincinnati. Most of the video is history and how the earlier heavy 3-4 defenses adapted to offensive changes, but the end goes into the dollar defense, some of its variations, and potential changes. The last few minutes specifically are interesting from the perspective of what we might see with our defense this season and in the near future.

I haven't done the film study but I wonder with Golden is our D more shaded to what we saw with the Bengals or the Bearcats?

 

[KPENN]

I'd say Kelly probably had 10 wins as good as last years clemson team.

Name them

 

[Crazy Balki]

First....... ummm, IrishDrunk isn't me lol. Not sure if you realized irishdrunk doesn't read putuporshutup? You ok? You drinking? Now I feel like I should ask.

With that said. Freeman gets and I have given him insane credit for how well prepared and ready to play ND was vs Clemson. He also gets a ton of credit for the team being mentally prepared for Ohio State. It's exactly why it's clear he didn't have the team prepared vs marshall and stanford. We flat out got pushed around both games and that just can NOT happen vs them. It's one thing to be in a tight game when you shouldn't be, it's another to get physically whipped.

You ask when did kelly beat a clemson level opponent? Well first off he beat clemson when they were #1, so yeah there's that. 2nd. The clemson team last year was not even close to a great team. I'd say Kelly probably had 10 wins as good as last years clemson team. That doesn't diminish the fact we physically whipped clemson, kelly didn't do that a much vs good teams. Freeman gets credit here for sure.

Every name I mentioned was better than buchner........ Pyne is/was better than buchner. Slovis, Daniels they are better than buchner. There was an epic failure not even attempting to get a transfer QB, then a failure not having buchner prepared to play when by all accounts pyne was playing better in practice. Pyne is not a good QB, but with our talent advantages last year we probably go 10-2 if pyne had started from day 1 with the offense built around him. How you can watch buchner and think he has a clue how to play QB is besides me. His spring game was as bad as it gets. People are hanging their hat on him having some good plays against south carolina's second string defense. Their first string was bad, so that shows how bad their second string was.

No clue why you are falling down the deep end, i hope it's not the bottle.

My bad with confusing you and Drunk.

To be fair, both you and him present similarly moronic opinions.

You say that every name you presented was "objectively better" than Buchner.

Just. Wow. You have to be trolling.

Nothing about what Solvis or Daniels, or even Pyne did warranted the ridiculously ignorant claim you are presenting.

If that were the case, why did Alabama not go after Slovis? Why did Alabama not go after Daniels? Why did Alabama not go after Pyne?

I'm not going to sit here and say Buchner has potential on par with Tim Tebow, but for the love of god. All of the QB's you mentioned were mediocre AT BEST. Buchner has at the very least, that potential. And to your claim, why would Pyne leave ND if he was a better QB than Buchner? Seems like a situation where if he was the BETTER QB, it would be good for HIM to stick around and compete for the starting gig he was thrust into. But no, he left, because he knew that, bare minimum, Buchner would be the guy, if ND didn't go after anybody. And best case, he would have to compete in a three-way competition with Buchner and whoever ND brought in (Hartman).

And there's the little known fact that, y'know....Pyne lost out to Buchner already.

So, there goes your theory...

 

[KPENN]

You ask when did kelly beat a clemson level opponent? Well first off he beat clemson when they were #1, so yeah there's that. 2nd. The clemson team last year was not even close to a great team.

Also, Clemson was without their starting QB and then whooped ND a few weeks later.

 

[PutuporShutup]

My bad with confusing you and Drunk.

To be fair, both you and him present similarly moronic opinions.

You say that every name you presented was "objectively better" than Buchner.

Just. Wow. You have to be trolling.

Nothing about what Solvis or Daniels, or even Pyne did warranted the ridiculously ignorant claim you are presenting.

If that were the case, why did Alabama not go after Slovis? Why did Alabama not go after Daniels? Why did Alabama not go after Pyne?

I'm not going to sit here and say Buchner has potential on par with Tim Tebow, but for the love of god. All of the QB's you mentioned were mediocre AT BEST. Buchner has at the very least, that potential. And to your claim, why would Pyne leave ND if he was a better QB than Buchner? Seems like a situation where if he was the BETTER QB, it would be good for HIM to stick around and compete for the starting gig he was thrust into. But no, he left, because he knew that, bare minimum, Buchner would be the guy, if ND didn't go after anybody. And best case, he would have to compete in a three-way competition with Buchner and whoever ND brought in (Hartman).

And there's the little known fact that, y'know....Pyne lost out to Buchner already.

So, there goes your theory...

Tommy Rees, they destroyer of the QB position. Tommy Rees. Is Rees, Alabama's QB coach, serious question? I can't remember. If Buchner starts at Bama and plays well against good SEC teams, i'll give him some major credit he (tommy) hasn't deserved yet.

Buchner is 1-2 as a starter with him almost causing us to lose to South Carolina's second team (minus a few players and Rattler). That's why I think Pyne is better. Buchner has never looked as good as Pyne did vs UNC, or BYU, heck maybe even USC. 3 solid teams.

I personally thought Buchner would be a great college QB, now I think he's never going to be very good.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

On a completely different note from whatever is going on here, if anyone wants to burn an hour at work today, I found a video that might interest you. Its a breakdown of Luke Fickell's defense, but that means its also a breakdown of Freeman's defenses when he was at Cincinnati. Most of the video is history and how the earlier heavy 3-4 defenses adapted to offensive changes, but the end goes into the dollar defense, some of its variations, and potential changes. The last few minutes specifically are interesting from the perspective of what we might see with our defense this season and in the near future.

I just watched this last night. It is worth the watch.

Great post.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Also, Clemson was without their starting QB and then whooped ND a few weeks later.

Both can be true. You just can't claim he's never beaten a team like clemson, when he beat a #1 ranked clemson. Kinda funny

 

[notredomer23]

To be as objective as possible to BK, Clemson 2022 would not have been his best win, but it certainly would have been top 5. Only other ones that really stand out to me are USC 2017, MSU 2013, Michigan 2018, Oklahoma 2012, and Clemson 2020. Idk where Clemson 2022 would fit on that list, but given how recent it was and how the season was unfolding, I would rate it probably above all but Oklahoma 2012 and Clemson 2020. MSU 2013 was a big win at the end of the season but we didn't know it at the time, similar to USC 2017. Always great to beat Michigan, and that 2018 team ended up being pretty dang good.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Name them

Again, i'm not talking about rankings, i'm talking about what I think was a comparable quality of team. I do not think clemson was close to as good as their rankings last year.

Oklahoma, UNC 2020, Michigan 2018, nc state 2017, LSU Bowl game 2018, clemson 2020, MSU 2013 & 2011, usc 2017.... There's 9, maybe I can find 1 more. Out of that list you could probably argue against UNC and NC State and I could get on board. So maybe 10 is high, but clearly more than 5.

Again, these are teams I felt were as good or better than clemson last year, not based on rankings. Clemson was somehow worse than ND at QB last year, that's critically important when playing good teams.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Good ol' offseason dustups like these are always entertaining

 

[ACamp1900]

What in the haberdashery and hemoglobin is going on in here?!

 

[Crazy Balki]

Tommy Rees, they destroyer of the QB position. Tommy Rees. Is Rees, Alabama's QB coach, serious question? I can't remember. If Buchner starts at Bama and plays well against good SEC teams, i'll give him some major credit he (tommy) hasn't deserved yet.

Buchner is 1-2 as a starter with him almost causing us to lose to South Carolina's second team (minus a few players and Rattler). That's why I think Pyne is better. Buchner has never looked as good as Pyne did vs UNC, or BYU, heck maybe even USC. 3 solid teams.

I personally thought Buchner would be a great college QB, now I think he's never going to be very good.

Lol. So we're going to talk about him causing us to nearly lose to South Carolina's second team, without even establishing the missing players for ND, including their leading receiver? Yeah okay.

Hindsight is 20/20.

We can talk about how good Pyne looked against UNC and BYU. I'm not going to include USC. They committed hard to stopping the run and basically dared Pyne to beat them and he couldn't do enough. He completed some good passes, but failed to convert when ND needed them to.

We're not going to mention Stanford, when he was absolutely abysmal against a terrible defense. I'm not going to pin it all on him, but Pyne's play was a major contributor to that loss.

You have yet to convince me or really any rational person that Pyne or Slovis or Daniels are a noticeable upgrade over Buchner, thus have failed to substantiate your argument.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Again, i'm not talking about rankings, i'm talking about what I think was a comparable quality of team. I do not think clemson was close to as good as their rankings last year.

Oklahoma, UNC 2020, Michigan 2018, nc state 2017, LSU Bowl game 2018, clemson 2020, MSU 2013 & 2011, usc 2017.... There's 9, maybe I can find 1 more. Out of that list you could probably argue against UNC and NC State and I could get on board. So maybe 10 is high, but clearly more than 5.

Again, these are teams I felt were as good or better than clemson last year, not based on rankings. Clemson was somehow worse than ND at QB last year, that's critically important when playing good teams.

Okay, no. You're done.

Oklahoma in 2012, okay, that's a fair take. But that was an all-around better ND team that Kelly (and Weis) adequately recruited.

UNC in 2020? Major stretch. UNC was a pretty good squad offensively, but their defense was atrocious. They went 8-4 and they sported losses to bad Virginia and Florida State squads.

Michigan in 2018? I think the quality of competition is comparable, but ND held on to edge Michigan out. ND BLEW Clemson out of the water in 2022.

LSU in 2018? Again, major stretch. Same LSU squad that lost to Troy. They weren't a bad team, but they weren't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. And again, it was a last minute edge out.

Clemson in 2020? Without Lawrence, Skalski and several other key players and ND needed overtime to beat them. Still a quality win, but it wasn't a beatdown like Clemson 2022.

MSU in 2011? Debatable, considering how bad the Big Ten was that year, and how Michigan State got thoroughly pounded by Nebraska, and then lost their rematch to Wisconsin. 2013? Good win, and I included it, despite Sparty being unranked at the time.

NC State in 2017? NC State was 9-4. They were solid, but not good.

USC in 2017? Great win, but I'd say Clemson was better last year. USC was a massive paper trojan. They prayed on a horrible Pac-12 and split with the only two legitimate matchups they had in Wazzu and Stanford.

Fact of the matter is that Kelly, in 12 seasons at ND, had a handful of quality performances against good teams. USC in 2017? Sure. Let's count it. Michigan in 2018? Okay. Oklahoma in 2012? That's three. Sparty? Okay there's 5.

Even then, you're looking at less than 1 quality performance against a good team every 2 seasons. That isn't exactly a good record for a ND coach.

Freeman has 1 in 1 season. He'll have a few opportunities to maintain his ratio or improve upon it. And minus the USC game, none of them were as dominant as last year's win over Clemson.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Do you guys know what the biggest problem is? You’re still talking about Brian fuckin Kelly

 

[Ndaccountant]

Do you guys know what the biggest problem is? You’re still talking about Brian fuckin Kelly

https://imgur.io/e5DPnQF?r

 

[PutuporShutup]

Okay, no. You're done.

Oklahoma in 2012, okay, that's a fair take. But that was an all-around better ND team that Kelly (and Weis) adequately recruited.

UNC in 2020? Major stretch. UNC was a pretty good squad offensively, but their defense was atrocious. They went 8-4 and they sported losses to bad Virginia and Florida State squads.

Michigan in 2018? I think the quality of competition is comparable, but ND held on to edge Michigan out. ND BLEW Clemson out of the water in 2022.

LSU in 2018? Again, major stretch. Same LSU squad that lost to Troy. They weren't a bad team, but they weren't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. And again, it was a last minute edge out.

Clemson in 2020? Without Lawrence, Skalski and several other key players and ND needed overtime to beat them. Still a quality win, but it wasn't a beatdown like Clemson 2022.

MSU in 2011? Debatable, considering how bad the Big Ten was that year, and how Michigan State got thoroughly pounded by Nebraska, and then lost their rematch to Wisconsin. 2013? Good win, and I included it, despite Sparty being unranked at the time.

NC State in 2017? NC State was 9-4. They were solid, but not good.

USC in 2017? Great win, but I'd say Clemson was better last year. USC was a massive paper trojan. They prayed on a horrible Pac-12 and split with the only two legitimate matchups they had in Wazzu and Stanford.

Fact of the matter is that Kelly, in 12 seasons at ND, had a handful of quality performances against good teams. USC in 2017? Sure. Let's count it. Michigan in 2018? Okay. Oklahoma in 2012? That's three. Sparty? Okay there's 5.

Even then, you're looking at less than 1 quality performance against a good team every 2 seasons. That isn't exactly a good record for a ND coach.

Freeman has 1 in 1 season. He'll have a few opportunities to maintain his ratio or improve upon it. And minus the USC game, none of them were as dominant as last year's win over Clemson.

I'm not trying to give kelly credit for doing good against great teams, he didn't. My point is I really really don't think clemson was that good last year and don't deserve being in the great category of wins. UT spanked them with a backup QB and without their best other player. They lost 2 more games after ND beat them. Kelly pretty much failed but once or twice every time we played one of the best teams in the country. Clemson was not one of the best teams in the country last year. They were the 3rd best team we played last year. Kelly beat a lot of those teams, he almost never beat the best team we played in a given year, actually he never beat the best team we played in a given year because in 2020, we got whupped vs a 100% clemson team that was truly one of the top teams.

 

[dublinirish]

dont choke MF

 

[calvegas04]

With the amount of fun he is having this off season we better go 12-0

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Do you guys know what the biggest problem is? You’re still talking about Brian fuckin Kelly

 

[stlnd01]

With the amount of fun he is having this off season we better go 12-0

This stuff is part of the job. Especially when you’re starting out in it. Maybe a few exceptions like the White House dinner, but most of this is work trips.

 

[NDPhilly]

White House dinner was 1000% something ND wanted him at. It's all part of the job.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Yea ND fans have a hard time getting over BK bolting for LSU. Just let it go. I am sure MF will win 10 games this year or next year or sometime thereafter.

 

[ulukinatme]

No. Many of don’t give a shit about Brian Kelly or LSU, precisely because we ARE Notre Dame fans. We are fans of this team and this coach. For perspective, we also don’t give a shit about Tommy Rees. As far as history is concerned, both of them have a respectable place in the lore, but they are now the competition. So when you bring this shit up, fans of this program are going to chirp back. It’s common sense. So maybe you should let it go.

Speak for yourself!

They may take my OC, but they'll never take my Reesus Saves shirt!

But for real, rooting for him to succeed as a former player, coach, and alumni. Might make a return to ND someday, who knows. Just won't be rooting for him if we have to play 'Bama in the future.

 

[Irishdrunk]

No. Many of don’t give a shit about Brian Kelly or LSU, precisely because we ARE Notre Dame fans. We are fans of this team and this coach. For perspective, we also don’t give a shit about Tommy Rees. As far as history is concerned, both of them have a respectable place in the lore, but they are now the competition. So when you bring this shit up, fans of this program are going to chirp back. It’s common sense. So maybe you should let it go.

Just responding to the posts above mine ND88.

 

[stlnd01]

This stuff is part of the job. Especially when you’re starting out in it. Maybe a few exceptions like the White House dinner, but most of this is work trips.

OMG the entire coaching staff was there. Why not game-planning for Navy? Slackers.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm not trying to give kelly credit for doing good against great teams, he didn't. My point is I really really don't think clemson was that good last year and don't deserve being in the great category of wins. UT spanked them with a backup QB and without their best other player. They lost 2 more games after ND beat them. Kelly pretty much failed but once or twice every time we played one of the best teams in the country. Clemson was not one of the best teams in the country last year. They were the 3rd best team we played last year. Kelly beat a lot of those teams, he almost never beat the best team we played in a given year, actually he never beat the best team we played in a given year because in 2020, we got whupped vs a 100% clemson team that was truly one of the top teams.

If that truly is the case, that we can't categorize the Clemson win was a great win, then we can't do it for any win during the Kelly era. Each of them had caveats making them less than great.

Clemson 2020? No Lawrence, several key players out.
Oklahoma 2012? Oklahoma also lost 3 games and got drubbed by A&M in the Cotton Bowl.
MSU 2013? They were unranked.
MSU 2011? Lost 3 games, including getting whooped by Nebraska.
Michigan 2018? Lost 3 games, including getting whooped by Florida in their bowl game, and Ohio State.

Also important to keep in mind that Clemson was also missing several key players in the Orange Bowl.

Clemson may have been the 3rd best team on our schedule, but that's just proof positive that Kelly hadn't faced many quality teams in the latter part of his tenure at ND. Put it in perspective, the year prior, Wisconsin was the third best team ND played, and they were without question worse than Clemson.

 

[PutuporShutup]

If that truly is the case, that we can't categorize the Clemson win was a great win, then we can't do it for any win during the Kelly era. Each of them had caveats making them less than great.

Clemson 2020? No Lawrence, several key players out.
Oklahoma 2012? Oklahoma also lost 3 games and got drubbed by A&M in the Cotton Bowl.
MSU 2013? They were unranked.
MSU 2011? Lost 3 games, including getting whooped by Nebraska.
Michigan 2018? Lost 3 games, including getting whooped by Florida in their bowl game, and Ohio State.

Also important to keep in mind that Clemson was also missing several key players in the Orange Bowl.

Clemson may have been the 3rd best team on our schedule, but that's just proof positive that Kelly hadn't faced many quality teams in the latter part of his tenure at ND. Put it in perspective, the year prior, Wisconsin was the third best team ND played, and they were without question worse than Clemson.

I agree, Kelly never won the biggest game of the year, he has some really good second biggest game wins. Freeman will have an opportunity to win some big games this year with the better qb in 2 of 3

 

[INLaw]

What in the haberdashery and hemoglobin is going on in here?!

I dont know two pages of TLDR and crazy’s name always registers to me as Crazy Ball Licky. Oh shit here come the pop up adds with moaning and tight dick filled undies.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Oh shit here come the pop up adds with moaning and tight dick filled undies.

 

[Irish#1]

Just responding to the posts above mine ND88.

There’s no rule that says you have to.