'24 VA LB Bodie Kahoun (Notre Dame Signee)

[NDFAN2008]

This class should be 30-35 so we will need to take about 10 3 starts to build depth

 

[PANDFAN]

II has been saying they are going for athletic guys who can run

 

[MacIrish75]

This class should be 30-35 so we will need to take about 10 3 starts to build depth

I think a lot of you fellas are setting yourselves up to be really pissed off in thinking we’ll ink over 30 guys.

 

[notredomer23]

II has been saying they are going for athletic guys who can run

 

[notredomer23]

I think a lot of you guys are setting yourselves up to be really pissed off in thinking we’ll ink over 30 guys.

Agreed. This one will be bigger than last but doubt they go above 27 or 28.

 

[NDMatt91]

1) ND probably isn’t getting Chris Cole, so saying ND is in a good spot with him probably isn’t true. And ND doesn’t lead for KVA. OSU probably does.

I'd be surprised if we got either of them.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I like that Duke and Stanford offered along with Tennessee and Utah. I really like that Randy Shannon gave him a stamp of approval with an FSU offer as well. Only Tennessee offered BEFORE Notre Dame.

Looks like a high three star who could potentially get a fourth with a strong summer if he's going around staying visible along with a solid senior year on the field. Another athletic guy that can move around.

Depth, special teams help and once again hopefully someone that stays in it for the longer haul.

 

[IrishLax]

The strategy of "let's take these really athletic guys and hope we can figure out the rest" isn't super stupid if you can't get some top rated players. Settling for guys who are limited athletically has been burning ND at LB for awhile. But if you do that, you need to over-recruit the position and also be targeting portal guys on a yearly basis.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Some of the freak outs on other sites are epic right now.

I think people need to realize two facts:

1) ND probably isn’t getting Chris Cole, so saying ND is in a good spot with him probably isn’t true. And ND doesn’t lead for KVA. OSU probably does.

2) Recruiting under Freeman isn’t going to be some magical difference from BK.
BK’s recruiting was a 7. Freeman’s is an 8. BK’s coaching was an 8.5 to 9. Freeman’s is a 7. Things aren’t magically getting better.

Seems a little too soon to be claiming this, imo.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The strategy of "let's take these really athletic guys and hope we can figure out the rest" isn't super stupid if you can't get some top rated players. Settling for guys who are limited athletically has been burning ND at LB for awhile. But if you do that, you need to over-recruit the position and also be targeting portal guys on a yearly basis.

I think you need to over-recruit the position regardless. LB requires a unique combination of size, athleticism, instincts, knowledge, and leadership. Too many times ND lands guys who have just some of these traits: Great player, terrible athlete. Great athlete, terrible instincts. Etc.

 

[Reaper97]

Seems a little too soon to be claiming this, imo.

Claiming what?
I’m speaking of right now, today.

Today, ND doesn’t lead for Chris Cole.
Today, ND is neck & neck with OSU for KVA, and OSU probably has slight lead.
Today, Marcus Freeman is slightly recruiting better than BK.
Today, BK is a better HC than Freeman.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[irish2104]

Yeah I think we are taking 30 plus guys for sure.. with the portal and scholarships most likely expanding makes total sense

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Claiming what?
I’m speaking of right now, today.

Today, ND doesn’t lead for Chris Cole.
Today, ND is neck & neck with OSU for KVA, and OSU probably has slight lead.
Today, Marcus Freeman is slightly recruiting better than BK.
Today, BK is a better HC than Freeman.

-So what; anecdotal
-So what; anecdotal
-Disagree. His Blue Ratio is better and his roster management is better (both in recruiting and the transfer portal - esp this year. Not getting a QB last year is definitely a black mark)
-Agree that BK is a better HC but the dude has a lifetime worth of resume to dissect versus Freeman's one year (a year in which he had arguably the worst QB play ever at ND). It's simply not an apples to apples comparison. What's BK's record as ND's coach last season had he stayed? 9-3 with losses to OSU, Clemson, and USC? Lets see what Freeman does with this year's roster.

 

[Reaper97]

-So what; anecdotal
-So what; anecdotal
-Disagree. His Blue Ratio is better and his roster management is better (both in recruiting and the transfer portal - esp this year. Not getting a QB last year is definitely a black mark)
-Agree that BK is a better HC but the dude has a lifetime worth of resume to dissect versus Freeman's one year (a year in which he had arguably the worst QB play ever at ND). It's simply not an apples to apples comparison. What's BK's record as ND's coach last season had he stayed? 9-3 with losses to OSU, Clemson, and USC? Lets see what Freeman does with this year's roster.

So you start off saying my points are anecdotal, then you write an entire paragraph of anecdotal possibilities?

BK’s roster management was fine. His recruiting was better than people give him credit for because the players were better than expected. They were 11-2 average, two CFPs, NY6 Bowl & two two bowl wins, his last 5 years.
That means either;
A) His recruiting was good
B) His roster management was goid
C) He is a really good coach
D) Combination of multiple above

People need to realize BK wasn’t the devil & Freeman isn’t the messiah.
It’s somewhere really far in between.

 

[BeauBenken]

They are getting linebackers with positional flexibility and elite athleticism for the position.

I honestly watched Bodie's film for the first tie the other day and he passed my personal testing within a minute of film. The only thing missing from his film I would want to see is more block destruction. He currently runs athletic laps around his competition. I am not worried here and happy to have Mr. Kahoun join on board.

 

[allenm5333]

Going to throw this out here: if you are banking on freak athleticism and "traits" over stars, then LB is where I take that risk. DL and Secondary (particularly CB) is where I want stars

 

[zelezo vlk]

Cool beans

 

[BleedBlueGold]

So you start off saying my points are anecdotal, then you write an entire paragraph of anecdotal possibilities?

BK’s roster management was fine. His recruiting was better than people give him credit for because the players were better than expected. They were 11-2 average, two CFPs, NY6 Bowl & two two bowl wins, his last 5 years.
That means either;
A) His recruiting was good
B) His roster management was goid
C) He is a really good coach
D) Combination of multiple above

People need to realize BK wasn’t the devil & Freeman isn’t the messiah.
It’s somewhere really far in between.

I never made that claim.

So are we agreeing that Freeman's one year as a coach is anecdotal and it's too soon to make any claim towards his coaching abilities? Because that's my point. We simply don't know what Freeman's coaching acumen will be with a full roster w/o holes, esp at QB.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I'm laughing at people bitching on here that we landed a high 3 star LB. When we lost to Standford and Marshall last year who are loaded with 2 and 3 star guys and almost lost to Cal whose loaded with 3 star guys. Oh did I forget Navy as well?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Rock on Bodie and looking forward to your progression as you concentrate only on football!!! 🤘🏼💀

 

[brewdog_14527]

Going to throw this out here: if you are banking on freak athleticism and "traits" over stars, then LB is where I take that risk. DL and Secondary (particularly CB) is where I want stars

Wasn't Ben Morrison a high 3 star or low 4 star? Same with Julian Love? I think that the real trick is, can the coaches find players that they can develop. May be "easier' to develop a high 4 or 5 star, but maybe those guys have peaked athletically.

 

[Luckylucci]

I keep seeing these comparisons to Bertrand, Kiser, or Spond being brought up in a negative light.

I view it completely opposite. They are making sure that this is their base case at LB.

It’s just smart recruiting. Builds quality depth while you fight for the rest.

Bertrand, Kiser, Spond, etc. these are guys that play quality football on top 15-20 defenses. Hardly chopped liver.

 

[allenm5333]

Wasn't Ben Morrison a high 3 star or low 4 star? Same with Julian Love? I think that the real trick is, can the coaches find players that they can develop. May be "easier' to develop a high 4 or 5 star, but maybe those guys have peaked athletically.

The 5 star hit rate for CBs is pretty good if I am thinking correctly

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Marcus Freeman has been a head coach for 14 games and has assembled one recruiting class.

No sensible jury would decide a verdict at this point.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Marcus Freeman has been a head coach for 14 games and has assembled one recruiting class.

No sensible jury would decide a verdict at this point.

Ill use my favorite line on IE.

"You must be new here"

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The strategy of "let's take these really athletic guys and hope we can figure out the rest" isn't super stupid if you can't get some top rated players. Settling for guys who are limited athletically has been burning ND at LB for awhile. But if you do that, you need to over-recruit the position and also be targeting portal guys on a yearly basis.

I think the staff loves their current depth and they are willing to pursue guys who may be more developmental but have high athletic ceilings. I believe they are banking on keeping guys like this in the program for 4+ years as long as they show the necessary growth and dedication. If they can pair our current LBs with KV-Asa then I'm very happy with what we have.

Next year, hopefully more top 150 guys at LB want what ND has. A strong showing and record this fall could help in that regard.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Ill use my favorite line on IE.

"You must be new here"

I was going to mention 7 verbal commits in less than a month and "recruiting momentum" next.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This is wired.. why not wait on Chris Cole? Are we taking four this class. If not then this is not okay.

I agree. This is wired! Electric!

 

[Lberry]

I guess I don't like popcorn.