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'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
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Some Irish Bloke
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here's Domer13's post from last week, super helpful.
Under "contact period" in green, it says that six in-person, off-campus contacts are permitted per athlete but they can't occur more than once per calendar week. So, it appears the staff strategically locked in a Golden visit last Thursday (12/8) and that allows Freeman to visit again this weekend right before early signing period.
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Am I mistaken or didn't we do this for Manti's recruitment (or something similar, getting there at stupid o'clock)?
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Believe this was Ishaq Williams and Diaco
FWIrish4
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Sampson on the latest Shamrock Pod wasn’t too optimistic. Said he wouldn’t be surprised if he flips as multiple sources he’s talked to said that. He followed it up by saying he’s also heard ND is hopeful he sticks.
Just reading between the lines, I think this may be inevitable. Hoping Freeman can lock it with his in-home.
Imagine sitting down with Freeman and Venables back to back days and choosing that weirdo over Freeman.
Just reading between the lines, I think this may be inevitable. Hoping Freeman can lock it with his in-home.
Imagine sitting down with Freeman and Venables back to back days and choosing that weirdo over Freeman.
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He's not choosing between those Freeman and Venables....he's choosing between Freeman and his girlfriend.
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If you read between the lines, ND is basically trying to have Freeman pull a rabbit out of a hat as close to signing day as possible and get him to make a big picture decision over a small one. The problem is that when he leaves the house the pressure from girlfriend, HS coaches, teammates, etc. is still there.
Couldn't agree more, the only thing I don't get is why stay comitted to ND this whole time? It's not like his GF decided to go play soccer at Oklahoma last week she has been signed there for a few months.
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I just really don’t understand the benefit of not being up front this far along. You build relationships with these guys and screw them at the worst possible time. This isn’t unique I know, I just dislike this aspect of the whole game.
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Exactly.....and I don't care who you are that pressure on a teenager is hard to overcome, especially with nobody back home in our corner.
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That's two for circle jerk
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You’re still choosing to play for Venables over Freeman, regardless of the reason for it.
Someone get Kyle Hamilton on the phone who had a long distance relationship his entire ND career. It’s possible to do it as an all-American safety at ND kid.
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Are you suggesting he pull a Harbaugh and spend the night?
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There’s a big difference between deceiving people/stringing them along and being legitimately torn/uncomfortable to go back on your word.
There are cases of the former in recruiting but I strongly suspect this is the latter, and that the staff knows exactly what they’re up against here.
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This. Man up and tell them. Don't wait until the last minute it does no one any good.
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Again. it could help from class whiplash by waiting.
This is a good point both times you made it
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I'm with you. Who in this class is only coming if Bowen sticks?
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He is choosing between Freeman and his mom verses Venables and his girlfriend.
I like our chances there
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I would get that angle around the time of the Moore fiasco and Keeley decommitment. At this point, just building up suspense?
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You must not know the power of the vag 😂🤣
I feel like no one has any idea, not even Bowen himself. Maybe he'll have a convo with God the night before. 🤷♂️
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You can tell by how they're structuring the in home visits that they aren't naive. They are battling his HS coach, his friends, and his GF. They know that he likes ND a lot but is being pushed to Oklahoma as a decision that will make everyone happy.
The Amorion Walker situation last year was a case of outright "deception" where he literally said at the last minute "I'm going to Michigan unless you can give me $X"... this is not that. This isn't Del getting caught with his pants down. They recruited contingency plans at S too.
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Wait, so there was a call?? And this was it?! Was this shared before and I missed it?
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I get the draw of staying near family, but the coaches would have been making a huge mistake pushing my high school girlfriend on me. It would have had the exact opposite effect on me.
At 18, I was well-aware that the chances that I was going to stick with her were slim. How awkward to build such an immense decision over something so likely to be fleeting?
Nothing at all against sticking with one girl (it's a beautiful thing). . . I just don't think it's something a football coach can be betting on.
At 18, I was well-aware that the chances that I was going to stick with her were slim. How awkward to build such an immense decision over something so likely to be fleeting?
Nothing at all against sticking with one girl (it's a beautiful thing). . . I just don't think it's something a football coach can be betting on.
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She's pretty good at kicking balls...maybe both literally and figuratively...lol
It’s more about momentum or the perception of momentum. Stinks for the fans but can actually either help maintain momentum or keep it from reversing.
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Rumor is that ND kept saying "hey are you solid?" and he'd say "yeah" and this went on for months... then at the 11th hour he was like "yeah j/k I'm going to sign with Michigan." And at some point in that (short) convo he said it would take $300k for him to change his mind and they told him they don't play that game. All hearsay, but him asking for a big check is reasonably well sourced on my hand from a second hand person that would know and got it from our coaches.
The much less solid rumor is that Michigan promised him something on the NIL front and it hasn't materialized. Scuttlebutt is that the #1 thing that's held their class back this year has been Harbaugh but the #2 thing is a lack of NIL infrastructure. They aren't playing the "pay up front" game (similar to ND) but unlike ND the guys currently on the roster also aren't seeing expectations meet reality. I do think they've got to be looking to improve on that front tho.
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Fong with the trending to OU comment on OU's board. I hate how this kid dragged this thing out. Just back off your commitment early on instead of leaving ND hanging.