Nov 5 | Clemson

[IrishTusker]

The elephant in the room is the home field disadvantage. The team that led Ohio State at half, best BYU, UNC, and Syracuse would not have lost to Marshall and Stanford on the road. Something is glaringly wrong with home Gameday preparation. Whether it’s specific home game prep, too many distractions, or freaking room beds, something has to change. The definition of insanity…

Here's the elephant in the room:

Game	Pass	Run	Run%
OSU	18​	30​	0.625​
Marshall	38​	37​	0.49333333​
Cal	23​	41​	0.640625​
UNC	34​	51​	0.6​
BYU	28​	45​	0.61643836​
Stanford	27​	34​	0.55737705​
UNLV	28​	47​	0.62666667​
Syracuse	19​	56​	0.74666667​

5-1 when rushing more than 60% of plays. 0-2 when rushing less than 60% of plays. Throwing more at home for some reason.

 

[notredomer23]

Something in this neighborhood is the only way they win. Pyne can't simply be competent, he needs to be a playmaker, and that's a scary proposition.

Strong disagree. ND just beat Syracuse by 17. Syracuse was beating Clemson most of the game and lost by 6 to them. This isn't Clemson of the past as others have said. ND just needs Pyne to be competent. He hasn't been since UNC and BYU. If the offense can get into the 20s and we have some help from the defense or special teams, this is a more than winnable game.

A Pyne stat line of 60% completion percentage and a TD with no turnovers is a winning formula. If we get Pyne of the last few games, then I agree with you. He just has to be average, which he hasn't proven he can be in weeks.

There is nothing intimidating about this Clemson offense. Their defensive line are all NFLers, but their secondary kinda stinks from what I've read and seen. All that said, I think Clemson will probably win something like 24-17 because I don't expect Pyne to meet the above criteria. But if he does, I'd expect a 27-21 type of game for ND.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Strong disagree. ND just beat Syracuse by 17. Syracuse was beating Clemson most of the game and lost by 6 to them. This isn't Clemson of the past as others have said. ND just needs Pyne to be competent. He hasn't been since UNC and BYU. If the offense can get into the 20s and we have some help from the defense or special teams, this is a more than winnable game.

A Pyne stat line of 60% completion percentage and a TD with no turnovers is a winning formula. If we get Pyne of the last few games, then I agree with you. He just has to be average, which he hasn't proven he can be in weeks.

There is nothing intimidating about this Clemson offense. Their defensive line are all NFLers, but their secondary kinda stinks from what I've read and seen. All that said, I think Clemson will probably win something like 24-17 because I don't expect Pyne to meet the above criteria. But if he does, I'd expect a 27-21 type of game for ND.

Don't disagree with most of your post but counter-point: Cuse was aided by 4 Clemson turnovers. That's a lot, and until Saturday ND hasn't proven the ability to force turnovers. Even the first one was an absolute gift from a HORRIBLE RPO read from Schrader.

Clemson took care of the ball in the second half and 'Cuse was dispatched slowly but surely from there. I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't see ND rushing for much more than 100 yards Saturday. ND's ability to run the rock in NY this past weekend was aided by a puny 'Cuse defensive front, the complete opposite of Clemson.

Not to mention, what we did to beat Syracuse is exactly what we should've been able to do against a beat up and undersized Stanford front, which obviously didn't happen, so that also gives me pause.

 

[GowerND11]

If they want to they will. ND is the most passive stadium in P5

Nice hyperbole

 

[Free Manera]

Strong disagree. ND just beat Syracuse by 17. Syracuse was beating Clemson most of the game and lost by 6 to them. This isn't Clemson of the past as others have said. ND just needs Pyne to be competent. He hasn't been since UNC and BYU. If the offense can get into the 20s and we have some help from the defense or special teams, this is a more than winnable game.

A Pyne stat line of 60% completion percentage and a TD with no turnovers is a winning formula. If we get Pyne of the last few games, then I agree with you. He just has to be average, which he hasn't proven he can be in weeks.

There is nothing intimidating about this Clemson offense. Their defensive line are all NFLers, but their secondary kinda stinks from what I've read and seen. All that said, I think Clemson will probably win something like 24-17 because I don't expect Pyne to meet the above criteria. But if he does, I'd expect a 27-21 type of game for ND.

ND can win every game on the scheduling including the bowl game if he does that. But he won't do that if they continue with the same gameplan and plays. The plays look great when you see guys running open, but he just can't make those throws. Plus, everyone knows now Pyne can't beat drop coverage which means if he is in third and long, it's very unlikely to be successful. They have to find him easier throws somehow.

 

[notredomer23]

ND can win every game on the scheduling including the bowl game if he does that. But he won't do that if they continue with the same gameplan and plays. The plays look great when you see guys running open, but he just can't make those throws. Plus, everyone knows now Pyne can't beat drop coverage which means if he is in third and long, it's very unlikely to be successful. They have to find him easier throws somehow.

I see your point, but I counted 3 or 4 incompletions against Syracuse that I know he is more than capable of making that he simply underthrew or overthrew. Eliminate the interception. One was a 10 yard out to Jayden Thomas that was underthrown. I recall another one to Styles I think that was an underthrow on a screen. That is the difference between drives prematurely ending and continuing. Eliminating the pic and him completing the other 2 would have made him 11-19. 58%. We're talking 3 plays that have to go differently. Nothing crazy like asking for him to throw for 400 yards and be a gun slinger.

My bigger concern is one of the Clemson linemen taking the ball right out of his hands because the line has protected him too well the last few weeks.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Watch Fisher. If he can hold up on passing downs (watch his footwork recovery), then the other guys might
form a successful cup. Then it's up to Drew to not panic and preserve the ball.

Alt is number one rated in the nation. The double team pattern with Patterson/Correll has been very good.
Lugg usually stones his man if it's a straight (i.e. non twist) rush --- if it's a twist, then Fisher must do better
with the handoff communication, as trouble can emerge by going all the way around Lugg's block. We don't
know until game conditions if Clemson is so good that even our guys can't contain them.

I feel/hope that ND can hold up most of the time here except that Clemson may go blitz crazy (Venables used
to do that.) Then it's up to the RBs to pick us up. I'm still not sure who is the better blocker. That could be the
main influence as to who gets the most snaps.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I think it's less to do with home field and more to do with the fact that this team plays up/down to the competition.

Played relatively well against Ohio State, UNC, Syracuse and BYU. Those are the 4 best teams they've played.

Played like crap against Marshall, Cal, Stanford and UNLV. Those are the 4 worst teams they've played.

Is it possible that Reese Cup try’s to get cute during the lesser matchups? Try’s to get too creative thinking if it doesn’t work we can always go back to what works?

Good/Great teams always establish themselves first, then reach down a little deeper into the playbook, and roster when the games secured.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

RTDB!!!!!!!!

 

[FOTY977]

Watch Fisher. If he can hold up on passing downs (watch his footwork recovery), then the other guys might
form a successful cup. Then it's up to Drew to not panic and preserve the ball.

Alt is number one rated in the nation. The double team pattern with Patterson/Correll has been very good.
Lugg usually stones his man if it's a straight (i.e. non twist) rush --- if it's a twist, then Fisher must do better
with the handoff communication, as trouble can emerge by going all the way around Lugg's block. We don't
know until game conditions if Clemson is so good that even our guys can't contain them.

I feel/hope that ND can hold up most of the time here except that Clemson may go blitz crazy (Venables used
to do that.) Then it's up to the RBs to pick us up. I'm still not sure who is the better blocker. That could be the
main influence as to who gets the most snaps.

Came here for exactly this—KW has an entire highlight tape of blitz pickup from the 2020 game and I’m convinced that effort was the different between winning and losing that game. So many plays came down to having a moment longer to make a throw into traffic to convert 1st down. ESPECIALLY with the limitations/lack of production at other positions, we’ll be in big trouble if they can’t perform similarly Sunday night.

As much as I have been vocal about parting ways with TR, I am confident he will have some good looks schemed for this matchup. I’m just afraid Pyne is just a fraction second slower than Book on his ability to pull the trigger, the RBs are a little worse than KW on blitz pickup, and the WRs don’t have as good of chemistry with their QB outside of 87. Quoting Any Given Sunday, “The inches we need are all around us” and I’m afraid ND will come up a few inches short this time around.

 

[tecateparty]

Headed to the game this weekend. Can anyone recommend a good tailgate? (or should I wonder the parking lot with my 12 pack of whiteclaws)

 

[NDBoiler]

Headed to the game this weekend. Can anyone recommend a good tailgate? (or should I wonder the parking lot with my 12 pack of whiteclaws)

Just make sure you leave your other hand free so you can carry your girlfriend’s purse too.

 

[Deirishpisser]

Headed to the game this weekend. Can anyone recommend a good tailgate? (or should I wonder the parking lot with my 12 pack of whiteclaws)

what lot has the most vegan options?

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Headed to the game this weekend. Can anyone recommend a good tailgate? (or should I wonder the parking lot with my 12 pack of whiteclaws)

Just pop open the trunk of the Prius, crack open some hummus and organic soy chips and enjoy the festivities.

 

[irishnd31]

Just make sure you leave your other hand free so you can carry your girlfriend’s purse too.

POTY nominee

 

[tecateparty]

Just make sure you leave your other hand free so you can carry your girlfriend’s purse too.

Damn, y'all... you know I can bring Truly instead. LMAO.

 

[rtrn2glory]

ESPN matchup predictor has us as a 35% chance of winning....honestly, i'll take that.

Anybody remember what it was back in 2020?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

ESPN matchup predictor has us as a 35% chance of winning....honestly, i'll take that.

Anybody remember what it was back in 2020?

Vegas this year has ND at +155, which is roughly a 39% chance to win

*Vegas had ND at +180 in 2020, which is roughly a 35% chance to win

*this is using FanDuel, who has ND +4.5. I have seen it at +3.5 also


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[IrishSteelhead]

DJ Ukelele (not gonna try to spell it) has been a massive disappointment for Clemson, but he will have another stellar game against us.

Think the game plan will be to take Shipley away and make Uke beat us.

He will.

This is will be a shootout if we can do anything offensively. Stops will be hard to come by for us, and the only way to win is make it hard for them too.

(None of this is grounded in reality, just a gut feeling)


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[Jiggafini19Deux]

Sat 05 | Night​

47°


72%
SSW 18 mph
A steady rain in the evening. Showers continuing late. Low 47F. Winds SSW at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

This doesn't seem like it is going to be comfortable.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

This doesn't seem like it is going to be comfortable.

The Irish are due to actually benefit from a deluge.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Thanks to that weather (I assume), ticket prices are looking very reasonable...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

DJ Ukelele (not gonna try to spell it) has been a massive disappointment for Clemson, but he will have another stellar game against us.

I'm cool with a repeat performance from him...if that means ND gets the same result 😎😎

 

[StPaul_Irish]

DJ Ukelele (not gonna try to spell it) has been a massive disappointment for Clemson, but he will have another stellar game against us.

Think the game plan will be to take Shipley away and make Uke beat us.

He will.

This is will be a shootout if we can do anything offensively. Stops will be hard to come by for us, and the only way to win is make it hard for them too.

(None of this is grounded in reality, just a gut feeling)


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LOL, this is what I call him too! No clue how to spell or say it

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This doesn't seem like it is going to be comfortable.

 

[Dale]

Total is getting hit hard. Down to 44/45.

Maybe the football and rain gods like Freeman more than BK? BK would have Pyne throw 40 passes Saturday with this forecast.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Total is getting hit hard. Down to 44/45.

Maybe the football and rain gods like Freeman more than BK? BK would have Pyne throw 40 passes Saturday with this forecast.

Let's just drop the pretense and give Mitchell Evans the start at QB.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Run 14 personnel on offense and six two stack monster on defense. Let’s go!!!!

 

[Dale]

 

[Dale]

Funny how he kinda assumed the reporter would be aware he was joking and then realized on the follow up oh he’s actually got no idea