'23 FL RB Sedrick Irvin Jr (Stanford Verbal)

[IrishBoognish]

Maybe he is a troll or maybe didn't want to reveal too much. Seems like we could have let the guy finish or countered what he was saying rather than banning.

Nahhh... He was given a shot.

 

[ulukinatme]

He says he wasn't connected to Irvin, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't. He sure seemed like he knew some things and it was personal.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He had previously said he trained at the same place as Irvin. Just guessing he got his info from someone else at the training facility that was close with Irvin.

 

[IrishLax]

He says he wasn't connected to Irvin, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't. He sure seemed like he knew some things and it was personal.

He was absolutely connected to him and I tend to believe there is a kernel of truth to what he was saying.

 

[IrishLax]

The tea leaves is that they probably told him they were going to take 2 backs in the class and then they started recruiting beyond that and he took that how he did. Which is fair.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think he is a very good player with natural RB instincts/skills. ND wanted to get multiple RBs in this class... likely because there will only be 2-3 on the roster after this year and ND doesn't have the same "portal" options as other schools... but in recruiting two guys with (arguably) better upside you're eschewing a good fit // bird in hand. Nine out of ten times shit like this has come back to bite Notre Dame in the ass.

I like Irvin's film, but I will say frankly, that of the 4 major names we're recruiting at RB (Irvin, Limar, Love and Young), he's 4th on my list.

I think the issue is that Irvin and Limar are similar style backs. They're shiftier almost scat style backs, but I think Limar is a little better and has more size.

I think ND will be fine and end up better for it, because I think they're going to land Limar and Love (Still not sold on Young until the report comes out that he was blown away on his OV)

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The tea leaves is that they probably told him they were going to take 2 backs in the class and then they started recruiting beyond that and he took that how he did. Which is fair.

Ok? If ND taking an extra RB in this class caused Sed to decommit, then he didn't really want to be here anyway.

 

[Dale]

Ok? If ND taking an extra RB in this class caused Sed to decommit, then he didn't really want to be here anyway.

This is the exact type of description that is just pure BS and comes out needlessly in these unfortunate situations. He didn’t want be here at all anyways yeah that was it c’mon now.

“vague accusations without any substance.”

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is the exact type of description that is just pure BS and comes out needlessly in these unfortunate situations. He didn’t want be here at all anyways yeah that was it c’mon now.

I mean that seriously. If my kid had multiple D1 offers and ND only wanted him as PWO, he'd still go to ND.

So it blows my mind that Sed commits to ND, our coaches opt to take one more recruit at his position than he expected, and not only is that enough to justify a decommitment, but some ND "fans" are going to take his side against our staff in the process? FOH.

 

[Dale]

I mean that seriously. If my kid had multiple D1 offers and ND only wanted him as PWO, he'd still go to ND.

So it blows my mind that Sed commits to ND, our coaches opt to take one more recruit at his position than he expected, and not only is that enough to justify a decommitment, but some ND "fans" are going to take his side against our staff in the process? FOH.

Not one. Two. Effectively attempting to add a third back in this class to Irvin and Limar, they also added Payne who will most certainly RS after Irvin had committed.

Yeah Irvin isn’t your son. Very relevant point there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Not one. Two. Effectively attempting to add a third back in this class to Irvin and Limar, they also added Payne who will most certainly RS after Irvin had committed.

Yeah Irvin isn’t your son. Very relevant point there.

Doesn't change my point. If Irvin kept his commitment and showed up on campus next year, he'd have to beat out 4-5 other guys to get 1st string reps at RB. So with those numbers, he's all-in on ND, but if he has to beat out 5-6 guys instead, all of a sudden he's out? That tells me he either isn't confident in his ability to compete or he's not really sold on ND.

I don't believe for a second that Washington told him, "I promise, cross my heart and hope to die, that we're only taking one other RB in this class with you." Roster management is hard, and our staff is trying to make numbers. This shtick about being 'lied to" is bullshit.

I appreciate your contributions to the board STL, but you really don't handle disagreement gracefully.

Dale: "ND screwed Irvin."
*IE gets made at you for implying unethical behavior by our coaching staff*
Dale: "Whoa whoa whoa. I never implied anything unethical. Sometimes recruiting just sucks."

That's just bad faith, man. If you've got specific intel that verifies Irvin was lied to, and that our sympathies ought to lie with him instead of our own coaching staff as is natural for a board full of ND partisans, then feel free to share it. Until then, quit calling out people for not assuming the worst about our staff.

 

[Dale]

Doesn't change my point. If Irvin kept his commitment and showed up on campus next year, he'd have to beat out 4-5 other guys to get 1st string reps at RB. So with those numbers, he's all-in on ND, but if he has to beat out 5-6 guys instead, all of a sudden he's out? That tells me he either isn't confident in his ability to compete or he's not really sold on ND.

I don't believe for a second that Washington told him, "I promise, cross my heart and hope to die, that we're only taking one other RB in this class with you." Roster management is hard, and our staff is trying to make numbers. This shtick about being 'lied to" is bullshit.

I appreciate your contributions to the board STL, but you really don't handle disagreement gracefully.

Dale: "ND screwed Irvin."
*IE gets made at you for implying unethical behavior by our coaching staff*
Dale: "Whoa whoa whoa. I never implied anything unethical. Sometimes recruiting just sucks."

That's just bad faith, man. If you've got specific intel that verifies Irvin was lied to, and that our sympathies ought to lie with him instead of our own coaching staff as is natural for a board full of ND partisans, then feel free to share it. Until then, quit calling out people for not assuming the worst about our staff.

Forgot you speak for not just me, since I didn’t say ND did anything unethical and you continue to push that, but now you speak for all of Irish Envy.

Yeah this reply is me not handling something well. Definitely that.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don’t think we have to stretch this to macro levels to try to justify. ND screwed Irvin here. They will get more talent for it. He’ll land on his feet, but he got screwed here. Is what it is. We’ll get screwed back by some kid too but it doesn’t have to be justified to just acknowledge what it is.

This you?

Explain to me how ND can "screw" a recruit in a way that isn't unethical.

 

[Dale]

This you?

Explain to me how ND can "screw" a recruit in a way that isn't unethical.

Pretty simple. Recruiting over a kid isn’t a matter of ethics which is why I would never say it’s unethical. That satisfy me having defend something I never said for ya?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Doesn't change my point. If Irvin kept his commitment and showed up on campus next year, he'd have to beat out 4-5 other guys to get 1st string reps at RB. So with those numbers, he's all-in on ND, but if he has to beat out 5-6 guys instead, all of a sudden he's out? That tells me he either isn't confident in his ability to compete or he's not really sold on ND.

I don't believe for a second that Washington told him, "I promise, cross my heart and hope to die, that we're only taking one other RB in this class with you." Roster management is hard, and our staff is trying to make numbers. This shtick about being 'lied to" is bullshit.

I appreciate your contributions to the board STL, but you really don't handle disagreement gracefully.

Dale: "ND screwed Irvin."
*IE gets made at you for implying unethical behavior by our coaching staff*
Dale: "Whoa whoa whoa. I never implied anything unethical. Sometimes recruiting just sucks."

That's just bad faith, man. If you've got specific intel that verifies Irvin was lied to, and that our sympathies ought to lie with him instead of our own coaching staff as is natural for a board full of ND partisans, then feel free to share it. Until then, quit calling out people for not assuming the worst about our staff.

Can't it be a bit of both? In a world where people just want PT, decreasing your odds by 5 to 10 percent is a not something to gloss over. RB is one of those positions where you just need a chance and the NFL will notice. But if his odds at seeing the field at ND dropped more than what he was led to believe, I can see why he would want out. Doesn't mean what ND did was wrong, as who knows what ND is ultimately trying to do, especially in a transfer portal happy world. Just sucks all they around.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Pretty simple. Recruiting over a kid isn’t a matter of ethics which is why I would never say it’s unethical. That satisfy me having defend something I never said for ya?

No one's putting words in your mouth, dude. I quoted your own post back to you with the bolded portions that clearly imply ND did something unethical here.

Words have meaning independent of your alleged understanding of them. If you say, "X screwed Y," your correspondents are going to assume that X did something unethical, and is probably a shitty guy. If, as you claim, that wasn't your intention, then learn how to express yourself better.

You're the one that kicked off this whole shit show here by calling out ND. Multiple other posters interpreted your post in the exact same way I did. The problem lies entirely with your choice of words, and not with our interpretation of them.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Can't it be a bit of both? In a world where people just want PT, decreasing your odds by 5 to 10 percent is a not something to gloss over. RB is one of those positions where you just need a chance and the NFL will notice. But if his odds at seeing the field at ND dropped more than what he was led to believe, I can see why he would want out. Doesn't mean what ND did was wrong, as who knows what ND is ultimately trying to do, especially in a transfer portal happy world. Just sucks all they around.

I don't disagree with any of that. But that's a far cry from "ND screwed Irvin."

 

[Dale]

No one's putting words in your mouth, dude. I quoted your own post back to you with the bolded portions that clearly imply ND did something unethical here.

Words have meaning independent of your alleged understanding of them. If you say, "X screwed Y," your correspondents are going to assume that X did something unethical, and is probably a shitty guy. If, as you claim, that wasn't your intention, then learn how to express yourself better.

You're the one that kicked off this whole shit show here by calling out ND. Multiple other posters interpreted your post in the exact same way I did. The problem lies entirely with your choice of words, and not with our interpretation of them.

Woof. This post and your previous essay are really not it for countless reasons bud. Have a nice night haha.

 

[WilliamWallace]

The tea leaves is that they probably told him they were going to take 2 backs in the class and then they started recruiting beyond that and he took that how he did. Which is fair.

That’s a possibility, in which case ND has entered the world of big game hunting. But it’s also a possibility that he had a change of heart. Hell someone else could’ve offered him more money. Nothing surprising anymore.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ok? If ND taking an extra RB in this class caused Sed to decommit, then he didn't really want to be here anyway.

Don't forget we had a near complete staff change in the last 6 months. It could be BK and Taylor were telling him he was their only guy, but Freeman may have other plans. A lot has changed since he committed.

 

[GATTACA!]

Pretty simple. Recruiting over a kid isn’t a matter of ethics which is why I would never say it’s unethical. That satisfy me having defend something I never said for ya?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Pretty simple. Recruiting over a kid isn’t a matter of ethics which is why I would never say it’s unethical. That satisfy me having defend something I never said for ya?

LOL.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Not sure what was promised to Irvin but the staff should have never took the freshman transfer from IU and stuck with two guys in this class. Young is never coming here. They could have took Love as a ATH. Not gonna lose sleep over it though Jadarian Price is the best back on our roster and he’s only a freshman

 

[MacIrish75]

Not sure what was promised to Irvin but the staff should have never took the freshman transfer from IU and stuck with two guys in this class. Young is never coming here. They could have took Love as a ATH. Not gonna lose sleep over it though Jadarian Price is the best back on our roster and he’s only a freshman

Lol why should they have not taken Payne if they view him as a future contributor. That line of thinking makes less sense than anything else in the last 4-5 pages of this thread.

 

[ThePiombino]

Is it fair to say that ND screwed Irvin if the situation was:

* Staff A has agreement with kid (2 RBs in class).
* Kid commits based on agreement
* Staff turnover occurs (incl new HC and RB coach) = staff B
* Staff B intends to honor kid's offer (until proven otherwise), but recruits over kid because they want RBs who better fit their vision.
* Kid does the math and says, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Does it suck for Irvin? Sure, can certainly be argued. Was it unethical? Not IMO, unless we can prove his offer was pulled. Likely ends better for both parties this way. ND gets their kid(s), Irvin goes somewhere with a friendlier depth chart. Don't see where anyone got screwed here. I think this was simply a matter of staff B not cashing staff A's checks. And I'm here for it.

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[NDFAN2008]

The staff is probally higher on Limar than Irvin so in this case it makes sense. Love is better than both in my eyes.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Lol why should they have not taken Payne if they view him as a future contributor. That line of thinking makes less sense than anything else in the last 4-5 pages of this thread.

I just don’t think Payne sees the field much especially with Price here

 

[Huntr]

 

[Dale]

I think this was simply a matter of staff B not cashing staff A's checks.

Staff A and Staff B have the same OC FWIW.

The reality the way I see it is Irvin was the bird in hand when DMC took over. Even if DMC didn’t love Irvin as a recruit as much as Taylor, they were never gonna part ways before we solidified the RB board. They since added Payne, Limar and are setting up OVs for others. The bird in hand has lost his value and a conversation was had.

There’s multiple ways you could assume how that convo came about and what previous convos entailed. I think many here are going to naturally assume it went a certain way that looks very kindly on ND. Tweed went straight to the “lied” to way. Reality is we don’t know it went either way but the middle ground, gray area is the most likely truth IMO.

 

[stlnd01]

Staff A and Staff B have the same OC FWIW.

The reality the way I see it is Irvin was the bird in hand when DMC took over. Even if DMC didn’t love Irvin as a recruit as much as Taylor, they were never gonna part ways before we solidified the RB board. They since added Payne, Limar and are setting up OVs for others. The bird in hand has lost his value and a conversation was had.

There’s multiple ways you could assume how that convo came about and what previous convos entailed. I think many here are going to naturally assume it went a certain way that looks very kindly on ND. Tweed went straight to the “lied” to way. Reality is we don’t know it went either way but the middle ground, gray area is the most likely truth IMO.

Yeah. Certainly one hopes the staff was straight with Irvin and he left the class of his own volition for someplace that was going to have a more favorable depth chart for him, as opposed to us telling him he no longer had a scholarship offer. (That would surprise me, frankly, as I don't recall Notre Dame ever doing that in the past, and yes we're hunting bigger game now but still there are ways Notre Dame conducts its business.)

That said, what exactly was said by whom and when is probably a matter of some interpretation and we'll never quite know.