Russia Invades Ukraine

[Irish4life]

You sound like a relic.

We've flipped 2/3's of the governed Slavic-world to be pro-west. Tha doesn't include any west leaning people in Russia / Belarus.

Why do we have to remain in yesterday's US v. Comrade Lenin mentality? China and militant/fundamentalist Islam are rivals you can't fix. If you need bogeymen, look no further.

Because Russia traded communism for a fascist kleptocracy controlled by it's oligarchs and Putin, and they've aligned themselves with China, and their government is against the US/West/democracy as a whole.

 

[BobbyMac]

Because Russia traded communism for a fascist kleptocracy controlled by it's oligarchs and Putin, and they've aligned themselves with China, and their government is against the US/West/democracy as a whole.

The oligarchs have. Have the Russian people? The west dropped the ball in the 90's when they could have won the people. Instead, they let the repackaged KGB, take over. Opp 1 = Opportunity missed. Opp 2 begins this Spring in Russia.

 

[Irish4life]

The oligarchs have. Have the Russian people? The west dropped the ball in the 90's when they could have won the people. Instead, they let the repackaged KGB, take over. Opp 1 = Opportunity missed. Opp 2 begins this Spring in Russia.

I don't disagree with that....just got a bad vibe from the particular line that I bolded.

 

[Blazers46]

The average American is indeed very ignorant on geopolitics as has been established in many polls and studies. However, its disingenuous to say that most Americans would prefer innocent people get nuked if it meant saving a buck on gas and groceries. On the whole, people are much more empathetic than that.

Americans are more concerned about their chicken being free range than where their other consumables are from or how they were made or who made them. Sure we all "care". I have sat watched videos from the invasion and I have shed a few tears. My best friends wife is from Lithuania and has family in Ukraine and other parts of Europe. Just being around her I can tell her sense of "care" is drastically different than your everyday American and even my own. I am 37 and decided a few months ago to sell off a lot of the things that keep me busy like my retail store, hiring more people to farm my land, stepping back on a few other projects I am heavily involved in to just take the time to care about other things.

 

[BrownerandFry]

99% is def a stretch but lets be real. The average AMERICAN probably just knows "Russia bad" and dont have a clue where Ukraine is on a map or that it even existed before 2022. Can't speak for Canada though.

Well let's talk objectively You wrote "99% is def a stretch" No, Blazers46 that is not "def a stretch" it is a pathetic cry for help.

"I am 37 and decided a few months ago to sell off a lot of the things that keep me busy like my retail store, hiring more people to farm my land, stepping back on a few other projects I am heavily involved in to just take the time to care about other things."

You may need to learn the definition of "clinical depression." Seriously. Help is available.

And no matter what your travail it does NOT ENTITLE You to cavalierly mischaracterize the American populace.

Further, this a a Notre Dame conscious site. It is not the millieu for "The average American."

 

[BrownerandFry]

"NUTS" General McAuliffe at the Bastogne to Von Luttwitz

"Bleep Longshanks" William Wallace

"Ukraine does not surrender"
Vlodomyr Zelensky

Same human insouciance, different places and times.

Support Defiance.

 

[Johannes]

Putin wants to return Russia to being a player in a multi-polar world, but it turns out he'll just be a vassal to China.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Putin wants to return Russia to being a player in a multi-polar world, but it turns out he'll just be a vassal to China.

less than a month in, and Vlad is asking for a lifeline from China.

Somewhere

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
and
Joseph Visarrionovich Stalin
and Nikita Sergyeyivich Kruschev

are very very pissed.....................................

 

[TorontoGold]

99% is def a stretch but lets be real. The average AMERICAN probably just knows "Russia bad" and dont have a clue where Ukraine is on a map or that it even existed before 2022. Can't speak for Canada though.

The average American certainly cares about what's happening in Ukraine. That's just inarguable.

 

[IrishLax]

Putin wants to return Russia to being a player in a multi-polar world, but it turns out he'll just be a vassal to China.

The whole situation is just a win-win for China. If Russia had succeeded with ease, it gave them cover for Taiwan. With Russia failing, it drives them into their arms as a natural resource supplier. If China wants to decline, then it gives them leverage to negotiate with the West "hey if you don't want us giving arms to Russia then stay out of the Taiwan straight."

Putin is fucking the whole world right now.

 

[Blazers46]

The average American certainly cares about what's happening in Ukraine. That's just inarguable.

There are a lot “cares” in this world. I doubt the average American would have to his “care” in their top 25 lists of “cares”. It’s probably tucked away between caring which shoes to wear today and caring if pineapple should go on pizza.

I think people who understand world politics can understand the significance of this situation but still not care deeply enough to actually have it affect their daily lives.

Is that really that disingenuous? I think it’s more disingenuous to give them your thoughts and tell them you will pray for them.

 

[Blazers46]

Well let's talk objectively You wrote "99% is def a stretch" No, Blazers46 that is not "def a stretch" it is a pathetic cry for help.

"I am 37 and decided a few months ago to sell off a lot of the things that keep me busy like my retail store, hiring more people to farm my land, stepping back on a few other projects I am heavily involved in to just take the time to care about other things."

You may need to learn the definition of "clinical depression." Seriously. Help is available.

And no matter what your travail it does NOT ENTITLE You to cavalierly mischaracterize the American populace.

Further, this a a Notre Dame conscious site. It is not the millieu for "The average American."

Is there an ignore or silence button I can use for this clown? I truly feel bad people like this exist.

 

[Blazers46]

The whole situation is just a win-win for China. If Russia had succeeded with ease, it gave them cover for Taiwan. With Russia failing, it drives them into their arms as a natural resource supplier. If China wants to decline, then it gives them leverage to negotiate with the West "hey if you don't want us giving arms to Russia then stay out of the Taiwan straight."

Putin is fucking the whole world right now.

Russia Asked China for Military and Economic Aid for Ukraine War, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2022)

Jake Sullivan, the U.S. national security adviser, plans to meet with a top Chinese official on Monday in Rome to discuss the war and China’s role.

www.nytimes.com

 

[notredomer23]

Is there an ignore or silence button I can use for this clown? I truly feel bad people like this exist.

The ignore feature works great on him. Highly recommend.

 

[IrishLax]

There are a lot “cares” in this world. I doubt the average American would have to his “care” in their top 25 lists of “cares”. It’s probably tucked away between caring which shoes to wear today and caring if pineapple should go on pizza.

I think people who understand world politics can understand the significance of this situation but still not care deeply enough to actually have it affect their daily lives.

Is that really that disingenuous? I think it’s more disingenuous to give them your thoughts and tell them you will pray for them.

This is one hell of a hot take considering the amount of posts in this thread since the war popped off. It is clearly at the forefront of everyone's "care" on this site. There has been quite a bit of passionate debate ranging from "don't do anything or we'll get nuked" to "it's a moral failing that NATO isn't already carpet bombing Russian positions in Ukraine."

It's probably the most volatile and serious geopolitical situation since.... I'm not even sure.

 

[TorontoGold]

There are a lot “cares” in this world. I doubt the average American would have to his “care” in their top 25 lists of “cares”. It’s probably tucked away between caring which shoes to wear today and caring if pineapple should go on pizza.

I think people who understand world politics can understand the significance of this situation but still not care deeply enough to actually have it affect their daily lives.

Is that really that disingenuous? I think it’s more disingenuous to give them your thoughts and tell them you will pray for them.

If the average American held this sentiment you would have seen more support in your statement.

A lot people have workplace donation pots setup to send to Ukrainian efforts. We set up one at work. None of us are grabbing rifles and going in, but it's something.

Quite literally every industry has been impacted by this. Even if you're putting groceries in a bag, or putting a chain on a bike it's something you need to understand if a customer makes a comment about it.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is there an ignore or silence button I can use for this clown? I truly feel bad people like this exist.

you didn’t hear??? He’s one of the only unbiased, thoughtful posters on the entire topic,………..

 

[BrownerandFry]

The whole situation is just a win-win for China. If Russia had succeeded with ease, it gave them cover for Taiwan. With Russia failing, it drives them into their arms as a natural resource supplier. If China wants to decline, then it gives them leverage to negotiate with the West "hey if you don't want us giving arms to Russia then stay out of the Taiwan straight."

Putin is fucking the whole world right now.

Not sure, but we may have more leverage on China, economically speaking.

We are a BIGGGGGGGGGGGG economy.
Russia is small, and, in fact the EU is way bigger than China.

China, it seems, is more interested in economic prosperity than stupid, expensive wars.

But if the last three weeks are any indication, China will play both ends against the middle, and toss a bone both to Putin and to US/EU/NATO

They are comfy being Putin's last friend on earth, just to keep Russia supplicant.

They know Putin's ass is grass, they just need to keep up appearances. Xi and the chinese are not big on embracing losers.

 

[IrishLax]

Is there an ignore or silence button I can use for this clown? I truly feel bad people like this exist.

Yeah you click on his name and there will be a menu of options below it and you click "ignore." If you can't find the option after trying, let me know.

 

[Sea Turtle]

How embarrassing for Russia to ask China for help. I guess Belarus, Chechnya, Serbia and Syria aren't enough to help Russia against might Ukraine.

 

[Irish#1]

Putin wants to return Russia to being a player in a multi-polar world, but it turns out he'll just be a vassal to China.

Here is Putin thinking he the baddest man on the planet and he’s now in a position where he’s asking for help. Lol

 

[Blazers46]

This is one hell of a hot take considering the amount of posts in this thread since the war popped off. It is clearly at the forefront of everyone's "care" on this site. There has been quite a bit of passionate debate ranging from "don't do anything or we'll get nuked" to "it's a moral failing that NATO isn't already carpet bombing Russian positions in Ukraine."

It's probably the most volatile and serious geopolitical situation since.... I'm not even sure.

Let’s quickly count how many regular posters post on this thread compared to how many people visit this site and comment on this site. It’s a lot of the same names as the politics threads with a sprinkle of others. If you are using this site as a microcosm for the “cares” given by a whole country I’m not buying what you’re selling.

 

[Henges24]

The ignore feature works great on him. Highly recommend.

This. The dude has been on a hell of a bender since morning mass.

 

[Blazers46]

Russia Launches Deadly Strike on Evacuee Train, Ukraine Says

Ukrainian Railways said one of its conductors was killed in the attack.

www.newsweek.com

 

[IrishLax]

Long thread, maybe not worth reading, but I learned a lot about Russian propaganda that led to this. It cuts to the core of why you have to confront Putin now and why appeasement isn’t an option. Failure and regime change are the only options because he made a huge blunder here and won’t make that mistake again. Your risks of a major war go UP by not confronting him, they do not go down.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Let’s quickly count how many regular posters post on this thread compared to how many people visit this site and comment on this site. It’s a lot of the same names as the politics threads with a sprinkle of others. If you are using this site as a microcosm for the “cares” given by a whole country I’m not buying what you’re selling.

TBF, most people would care if they fully grasped the seriousness of the situation. I understand completely that a country that seems so very unimportant to the daily struggles most encounter would seem so minimal. But this conflict has the potential to shape the world for the next 30 years, just the last 30. Aside from the war aspect, one thing I think people should not take lightly is the influence that corporations are having with the sanctions. If this is a "sign" of the future, it will fundamentally change the US financially (in a good way I believe) but could be planting the seeds for a much more dangerous and closed off world that what any millennial like me is used to.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Because the what if the US intervenes decision tree might make him do something rash. If your enemy is making a mistake, let him. Russia is making a massive mistake.

Never said they were the bastions of morality, but you’re talking about those who have run the government and most everyone on here is more concerned for the citizens who are the victims.

Seems strange you keep saying you don’t give a crap about Ukraine, but you’re pretty active with your opinions.

@Te'o4Heisman can help with the shirt order, FYI.

Haha yes, that I can.

 

[Irish4life]

Long thread, maybe not worth reading, but I learned a lot about Russian propaganda that led to this. It cuts to the core of why you have to confront Putin now and why appeasement isn’t an option. Failure and regime change are the only options because he made a huge blunder here and won’t make that mistake again. Your risks of a major war go UP by not confronting him, they do not go down.

This makes some sense, and it's why the US/NATO/West are sanctioning Russia, Putin, the Oligarchs into the stone age. Also why so many companies have pulled out.

 

[drayer54]

 

[Blazers46]

TBF, most people would care if they fully grasped the seriousness of the situation. I understand completely that a country that seems so very unimportant to the daily struggles most encounter would seem so minimal. But this conflict has the potential to shape the world for the next 30 years, just the last 30. Aside from the war aspect, one thing I think people should not take lightly is the influence that corporations are having with the sanctions. If this is a "sign" of the future, it will fundamentally change the US financially (in a good way I believe) but could be planting the seeds for a much more dangerous and closed off world that what any millennial like me is used to.

I agree 100%.