[NFL] Super Bowl LVI

[NorthDakota]

They don't when one happens in the first or second quarter and the two defensive holding penalties happens with a minute left for the go ahead lead.

They literally got a free touchdown on what was a clear offensive face mask from like 70 yards or whatever it was. Hard to shake that off.

 

[NorthDakota]

He's been Creighton's coach for maybe 10 years and I'm pretty sure he's an Iowa kid.

But that's ok, I didn't play against him on that day. He graduated my Jr. year.

I mean the current UNI guy. I forget his name. From a small town in ND. McDermott is from Iowa i think and yes he's been at Creighton for ages now.

 

[BobbyMac]

I mean the current UNI guy. I forget his name. From a small town in ND. McDermott is from Iowa i think and yes he's been at Creighton for ages now.

Ok... Yes, Jacobson came from ND. That kind of threw me cuz McDermott was at NDSU for a few years also and Jacobson was his assistant.

 

[bkess8]

What color was the Gatorade?

 

[bkess8]

What color was the Gatorade?

Never mind it was blue!

 

[Sea Turtle]

They literally got a free touchdown on what was a clear offensive face mask from like 70 yards or whatever it was. Hard to shake that off.

I understand that. They let them play until the very end when the Rams needed a touchdown to win. Then the referees kept calling holding until the Rams scored to take the lead with one minute to go. Much more difficult to shake that off.

BTW- didn't the Rams still have the lead after the Bengals scored that touchdown? I mean, you have the lead, you have the ball with with two and a half quarters left to play. How difficult is that to shake off compared to the very end of the game.

Am I crazy? Does no one else on here not see the difference in the situations? Because everyone else online is talking about the referees stealing the show at the end for a hollywood ending.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I understand that. They let them play until the very end when the Rams needed a touchdown to win. Then the referees kept calling holding until the Rams scored to take the lead with one minute to go. Much more difficult to shake that off.

BTW- didn't the Rams still have the lead after the Bengals scored that touchdown? I mean, you have the lead, you have the ball with with two and a half quarters left to play. How difficult is that to shake off compared to the very end of the game.

Am I crazy? Does no one else on here not see the difference in the situations? Because everyone else online is talking about the referees stealing the show at the end for a hollywood ending.

Points are points no matter when they are scored.

Look, the vegas line ended at, I believe, -4.5 for the rams. So that 7 points you are throwing out there as not a big deal would have flipped the line to favor the Bengals. Too many NFL games come down to the final drive. It's why teams that score defensive TD's win something like 8 or 9 times out of 10. That 7 points was like a defensive TD.

Also, momentum is huge too. The first drive of the second half for both teams are massive. You can't look at it that simplistically.

 

[Greenore]

I understand that. They let them play until the very end when the Rams needed a touchdown to win. Then the referees kept calling holding until the Rams scored to take the lead with one minute to go. Much more difficult to shake that off.

BTW- didn't the Rams still have the lead after the Bengals scored that touchdown? I mean, you have the lead, you have the ball with with two and a half quarters left to play. How difficult is that to shake off compared to the very end of the game.

Am I crazy? Does no one else on here not see the difference in the situations? Because everyone else online is talking about the referees stealing the show at the end for a hollywood ending.

I think we are getting into some space/time continuum stuff here... or maybe the butterfly effect. So, if correct, I think you may be overthinking some of the events and how they may or may not have effected the outcome.

In my opinion, there were two major flaws made by the refs, (1) the Tee Higgin OPI/face mask and (2), the bogus pass interference call against the Bengals. Otherwise, I thought the refs were pretty good and let the teams play.

I guess it might be worth discussing how much the OBJ injury effected the Rams offense and moral. That was a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

I really hope Burrow gets a lot more support on OL. The kid is great but he isn't going to have much of a future if his body is getting banged up every game.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think we are getting into some space/time continuum stuff here... or maybe the butterfly effect. So, if correct, I think you may be overthinking some of the events and how they may or may not have effected the outcome.

In my opinion, there were two major flaws made by the refs, (1) the Tee Higgin OPI/face mask and (2), the bogus pass interference call against the Bengals. Otherwise, I thought the refs were pretty good and let the teams play.

I guess it might be worth discussing how much the OBJ injury effected the Rams offense and moral. That was a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

I really hope Burrow gets a lot more support on OL. The kid is great but he isn't going to have much of a future if his body is getting banged up every game.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

I think it's pretty clear to me that the ref was anticipating that penalty. Who knows what led up to that point, but the way defender was positioned and with his hand near hip/lower back. Not saying the penalty should have been called at all, but more just rationalizing how the ref was probably thinking it would play it (which they shouldn't do). The other unknown is conversations that the Rams coaches had with the refs throughout the game. It reminds me of the ND OPI against FSU. Jimbo being in the refs ear is what caused the penalty. Again, not saying that was the case here, but if the Rams were all over the refs about holding, the refs may have been looking more for it and made the mistake. I presume we will hear more about it in time.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Never mind it was blue!

I got video footage of Snoop smoking on stage.

 

[Irish#1]

I think this counts as Snoop hitting it on stage

Reminds me of the first time I saw Santana at Market Square Arena. There was a percussion solo and Carlos walked right over to a tall amp, leaned forward and snorted something from the top of the amp. lol

SIAP, but I thought the Bengals last two play calls were terrible. Especially when the Bengals could never figure out LA's overload. It cost them a chance at winning or a tie.

 

[Irish#1]

I think it's pretty clear to me that the ref was anticipating that penalty. Who knows what led up to that point, but the way defender was positioned and with his hand near hip/lower back. Not saying the penalty should have been called at all, but more just rationalizing how the ref was probably thinking it would play it (which they shouldn't do). The other unknown is conversations that the Rams coaches had with the refs throughout the game. It reminds me of the ND OPI against FSU. Jimbo being in the refs ear is what caused the penalty. Again, not saying that was the case here, but if the Rams were all over the refs about holding, the refs may have been looking more for it and made the mistake. I presume we will hear more about it in time.

Could be. Until then, the refs pretty much kept their flags in their pockets the entire game. Should have kept them in the pockets then as well.

 

[notredomer23]

I got video footage of Snoop smoking on stage.

Bet already paid out. I’m not giving my vmoney back

 

[Rogue219]

Last night's winner.

 

[IrishLion]

Really trying to NOT be a salty Bengals fan, because hell they're a year or two ahead of schedule on their rebuild simply by hitting on Burrow and Chase in back-to-back drafts and then making smart defensive free agent signings.

However, with how loaded the AFC is for the foreseeable future (Mahomes, Allen, Tennessee if they ever get a QB, and Belichick building around Jones), even if they give Burrow an offensive line, it's no guarantee that they will have more than another chance or two at the Super Bowl in the next 10 years... so I find myself miffed at the officiating late in the game, and how the shift from "let them play" hurt the Bengals at a bad time.

And yes, I'm aware a huge momentum-swinging play was a result of a clear non-call on Higgins' OPI. I initially felt like the call on Wilson was a makeup they were saving for a good time, especially when you can throw a random holding flag on almost any play when the refs know they owe you one.

HOWEVER. Now I'll be a sore loser lol. The holding call should have never happened, because there should have been a snap infraction or a false start on LA before the play got going. Everyone on their line but the center moved early. Should've backed them up 5 and made it a worse situation, allowing for softer zone coverage with their drop-8 scheme.

And then, on the long bomb to Chase, Ramsey tugged his arm in what was clear DPI, but it didn't get called because Chase made an amazing catch... but if Ramsey doesn't hold him, Chase probably scores on the play, instead of the Bengals settling for 3.

Of course, I could watch the film and pick out missed holds and other calls on Cincy... but the idea is that generally, the refs let them play, which is how it should be in the Super Bowl. And it benefitted the Bengals in a huge way!... but the pendulum swung too far the other way when things were supposed to balance out, and it swung when there wasn't enough time for the players to settle the matter on their own.

But anyway, it was a great game that was immensely entertaining, and I'm thrilled that Andrew Whitworth and Aaron Donald get Super Bowl rings... even if they come at the expense of Big Whit's former team and Joe Burrow's health and safety.

 

[Rogue219]

If you are a Bengals fan, you have to see what happened to KC's OL in last year's Super Bowl and know that your front office has a path forward to fixing that unit for Burrow in the future. It can be done. I think that's going to be a key for the Bengals this offseason as it was for the Chiefs a year ago.

If last night taught me anything, it is that QB is not only the central importance to winning a championship, but QB arm strength is a critical factor in determining a championship team. I think it was a deciding factor last night, along with the Rams eventually getting to Burrow the way the Titans did a few weeks ago.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Really trying to NOT be a salty Bengals fan, because hell they're a year or two ahead of schedule on their rebuild simply by hitting on Burrow and Chase in back-to-back drafts and then making smart defensive free agent signings.

However, with how loaded the AFC is for the foreseeable future (Mahomes, Allen, Tennessee if they ever get a QB, and Belichick building around Jones), even if they give Burrow an offensive line, it's no guarantee that they will have more than another chance or two at the Super Bowl in the next 10 years... so I find myself miffed at the officiating late in the game, and how the shift from "let them play" hurt the Bengals at a bad time.

And yes, I'm aware a huge momentum-swinging play was a result of a clear non-call on Higgins' OPI. I initially felt like the call on Wilson was a makeup they were saving for a good time, especially when you can throw a random holding flag on almost any play when the refs know they owe you one.

HOWEVER. Now I'll be a sore loser lol. The holding call should have never happened, because there should have been a snap infraction or a false start on LA before the play got going. Everyone on their line but the center moved early. Should've backed them up 5 and made it a worse situation, allowing for softer zone coverage with their drop-8 scheme.

And then, on the long bomb to Chase, Ramsey tugged his arm in what was clear DPI, but it didn't get called because Chase made an amazing catch... but if Ramsey doesn't hold him, Chase probably scores on the play, instead of the Bengals settling for 3.

Of course, I could watch the film and pick out missed holds and other calls on Cincy... but the idea is that generally, the refs let them play, which is how it should be in the Super Bowl. And it benefitted the Bengals in a huge way!... but the pendulum swung too far the other way when things were supposed to balance out, and it swung when there wasn't enough time for the players to settle the matter on their own.

But anyway, it was a great game that was immensely entertaining, and I'm thrilled that Andrew Whitworth and Aaron Donald get Super Bowl rings... even if they come at the expense of Big Whit's former team and Joe Burrow's health and safety.

I feel ya man.... growing up south of Lexington, KY I was a Bengals fan during the 80s. I really, really, really wanted them to win. I hate seeing any call or non-call decide the game but ultimately the Bengals let one of best defenses in a long time get to your 2nd year QB multiple times and on several important 3rd and 4th downs and conversely they let a potent offense with the REAL MVP hang around long enough to put the game to rest...

 

[IrishLax]

I understand that. They let them play until the very end when the Rams needed a touchdown to win. Then the referees kept calling holding until the Rams scored to take the lead with one minute to go. Much more difficult to shake that off.

BTW- didn't the Rams still have the lead after the Bengals scored that touchdown? I mean, you have the lead, you have the ball with with two and a half quarters left to play. How difficult is that to shake off compared to the very end of the game.

Am I crazy? Does no one else on here not see the difference in the situations? Because everyone else online is talking about the referees stealing the show at the end for a hollywood ending.

IMO, they were calling holding because the Cincinnati Bengals were holding. They were mugging Cooper Kupp every play (or cheap shotting him in the head). Only one of the holding calls was even borderline, and the player had his hands on him the entire time coming out of hos break. Officiating is not the story of the game, unless you want to say Cinci should've been docked 7 points for getting away with an egregious OPI/facemask.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Bet already paid out. I’m not giving my vmoney back

I'm just saying I posted this before bets were paid out.

 

[Irish#1]

So many areas you could point to a specific incident, but the bottom line is the Bengals lost because they couldn't protect Burrows throughout the game. Kids going to be a good one if he doesn't end up getting pummeled like Luck.

 

[BeatSC]

Well I was routing for Ben skowronek to redeem himself from that long dropped pass against the niners but I’m pretty sure he won’t even be on the seams practice squad next year. The only play he made helped out the Bengals. What a waste of opportunity not to mention bringing down the ND brand. Did Kareem get in the game?

 

[GowerND11]

Well I was routing for Ben skowronek to redeem himself from that long dropped pass against the niners but I’m pretty sure he won’t even be on the seams practice squad next year. The only play he made helped out the Bengals. What a waste of opportunity not to mention bringing down the ND brand. Did Kareem get in the game?

Christ you are a piece of work

 

[irishog77]

IMO, they were calling holding because the Cincinnati Bengals were holding. They were mugging Cooper Kupp every play (or cheap shotting him in the head). Only one of the holding calls was even borderline, and the player had his hands on him the entire time coming out of hos break. Officiating is not the story of the game, unless you want to say Cinci should've been docked 7 points for getting away with an egregious OPI/facemask.

Basically this. Officiating can be blamed for any loss, as well as credited for any win. As a neutral observer for the Super Bowl, I don't blame or credit the officiating for the outcome of the game. The first DH called on Wilson did look like a bad call as the play occurred in real time. But the replay clearly showed Wilson contacting him for multiple yards down the field, then before the pass arrived. The second DH called was blatant and rightfully called.

And another notion to point out in any sport- it it's a foul in the first 2 minutes of a game, it's a foul in the last two minutes as well.

Something else I was wondering about was the offsetting penalties. Maybe somebody can back me up on this, but I could have sworn there was a similar call in the bowl games/college playoffs/NFL playoffs very recently? In that instance, the penalties, in fact, did not offset because one was a dead ball penalty, like the hit on Kupp was called. Not that it ended up really mattering last night. But in the prior instance I'm trying to remember, the team that committed a dead ball penalty was still penalized, because by rule, dead ball penalties are enforced. The broadcast of the instance I'm trying to remember brought the officiating broadcaster in to confirm that was the correct call. So maybe the Bengals got a little break themselves at the end by their dead ball penalty bing offset instead of enforced. Anybody remember this??

 

[Sea Turtle]

So many areas you could point to a specific incident, but the bottom line is the Bengals lost because they couldn't protect Burrows throughout the game. Kids going to be a good one if he doesn't end up getting pummeled like Luck.

That certainly contributed. No question.

 

[irish o'phile]

As a Rams fan, at a Rams party yesterday, the attitude was that the Refs were letting the Bengals get away with a lot, but the Rams just needed to play through it. The Rams could point to the blatant Higgins missed call/ resulting momentum and 10 point swing if they lost. Every fan feels that way almost every game.

Bottom line is that the Bengals couldn’t stop Donald and Kupp when it mattered, so they lost.

 

[bkess8]

I'm just saying I posted this before bets were paid out.

The new betting system is different than the old so I will have to figure out a way to correct the smoking line for those that I shorted. My apologies.

 

[Rogue219]

Tweeted shortly after the Higgins facemask on Ramsey.

 

[chicago51]

Officiating was bad. Not biased or favoring one team in the entire scheme of things, just bad. Bengals TD to open 2nd half should have been offensive PI. Likewise it was NOT a holding Wilson (remember players are allowed contact under 5 yards before ball in the air) that gave the Rams a fresh set of downs.

It was a poorly but fairly officiated game. I think the better team this game did end up winning but how it happened was just ugly.

 

[Rogue219]

There was no way the Bengals could allow that many sacks again and manage to win. You can beat Ryan Tannehill but few other teams living in that kind of situation.

 

[Irish#1]

Basically this. Officiating can be blamed for any loss, as well as credited for any win. As a neutral observer for the Super Bowl, I don't blame or credit the officiating for the outcome of the game. The first DH called on Wilson did look like a bad call as the play occurred in real time. But the replay clearly showed Wilson contacting him for multiple yards down the field, then before the pass arrived. The second DH called was blatant and rightfully called.

And another notion to point out in any sport- it it's a foul in the first 2 minutes of a game, it's a foul in the last two minutes as well.

Something else I was wondering about was the offsetting penalties. Maybe somebody can back me up on this, but I could have sworn there was a similar call in the bowl games/college playoffs/NFL playoffs very recently? In that instance, the penalties, in fact, did not offset because one was a dead ball penalty, like the hit on Kupp was called. Not that it ended up really mattering last night. But in the prior instance I'm trying to remember, the team that committed a dead ball penalty was still penalized, because by rule, dead ball penalties are enforced. The broadcast of the instance I'm trying to remember brought the officiating broadcaster in to confirm that was the correct call. So maybe the Bengals got a little break themselves at the end by their dead ball penalty bing offset instead of enforced. Anybody remember this??

The hit on Kupp wasn't a dead ball foul. It was unnecessary roughness. If it had been a dead ball foul it would have been enforced after the penalty against LA was marked off.