Police State USA

[Irish#1]

It’s interesting how some of you posting about “race hustlers” are specifically targeting black Americans, as if hustling race matters isn’t a thoroughly historical enterprise in this country. But go ahead. Let it off your chest if it got you all locked up inside. Smh.

I’m not defending any position, but could you point out the race hustlers for the Asians, whites, Hispanics, etc?

 

[IrishLion]

I’m not defending any position, but could you point out the race hustlers for the Asians, whites, Hispanics, etc?

Clay Travis. I agree with a lot of his anti-PC takes ("the first amendment and boobs" is an all-timer on CNN)... but he goes a bit too far when it comes to trying to reverse victimhood when he goes after the "woke" and "blue check mark" brigades.

He's made his base of predominantly white southern males think they are under attack constantly, when the only inconvenience they REALLY face is some crazy lefties stereotyping them on social media. Talk about snowflakes...

 

[drayer54]

Clay Travis. I agree with a lot of his anti-PC takes ("the first amendment and boobs" is an all-timer on CNN)... but he goes a bit too far when it comes to trying to reverse victimhood when he goes after the "woke" and "blue check mark" brigades.

He's made his base of predominantly white southern males think they are under attack constantly when the only inconvenience they REALLY face is some crazy lefties stereotyping them on social media. Talk about snowflakes...

I just re-watched that interview. Travis and Whitlock are two awesome personalities and I prefer them over MSESPN these days. In a time where a political party and corporate America are trying to build structural advantages for anyone not a white male including racist critical race theory training, preferential treatment for vaccinations and medical care, missed farm subsidies on the basis of their skin, as well as woke corporate training, maybe they are on to something?

I'm not doing the whoa is us crap, but I'm also not going to pretend that this isn't a thing these days.

 

[Rocket89]

I’m not defending any position, but could you point out the race hustlers for the Asians, whites, Hispanics, etc?

I'd submit the majority of evangelical churches in the United States.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You can find an expert witness to say whatever you want. That's how these consulting firms work... someone with credentials gets up there to push your narrative. Sometimes they outright lie, but they will always bend the truth in the way they are paid to do.

We've had a handful of impartial, not-being-paid-to-say-something experts for the state give a different account than Fowler. Getting Fowler as an expert witness wasn't bad because he's from South Africa, it's bad because he's currently facing a federal lawsuit over another Black man that died in police custody and he resigned in disgrace because of his handling of Anton Black's autopsy. He literally lost his job and is being sued because of a different Black guy who died from being pinned on the ground by cops for 5 minutes... and that's ironically the best expert witness the defense could come up with. But hey... at least he's consistent.

Dude basically testiffied that everything BUT Chauvin kneeling on Floyds neck contributed to his death. Even mentined fumes from nearby cars as a contributing factor. Prosecuters literally demolished his entire testimony and got him to agree that he was full of shit on the stand.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This testimony from Dr. Fowler is pretty damning IMO. The defense attorney is doing a good job of slow walking through his report.

Im not sure how anyone can credibily say his testimony wasnt anything other than bought and paid for. The prosecution tor his "testimony" apart. THey forced him to admit everything he said was BS. Its widely accepted that this dude'
s assessment diverges signifcantly from others medical assessments.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


[15:30:00]

DR. DAVID FOWLER, FORMER CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER, MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: No.

JERRY BLACKWELL, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY: All right, then -- all right, I asked you the question about when the sudden death occurred. Where in this spectrum then -- it's OK if you don't know the specific time -- but where in this continuum did the sudden death occur from the time he is on the ground, saying he can't breathe, to the point in time he's found not to have a pulse. Are you able to generally characterize where the sudden death took place?

FOWLER: So what you're referring to as sudden death and I may well have misinterpreted, I'm referring to as sudden cardiac arrest. There's a difference between death and cardiac arrest.

Cardiac arrest is not absolutely irreversible and not synonymous with a person always passing away. So there's going to be a period of time between his cardiac arrest. For instance, in this particular case, the official pronouncement was done in the hospital.

Frankly, he was dead long, long before that. But the moment of death is not something that you can easily document.

BLACKWELL: So when we are in this space, where there is a space between cardiac arrest and between the actual death, are you suggesting that though Mr. Floyd may have been in cardiac arrest, there was a time when he may have been revived because he wasn't dead yet?

FOWLER: Immediate medical attention for a person who has gone into cardiac arrest may -- may well reverse that process, yes.

BLACKWELL: Do you feel that Mr. Floyd should have been given immediate emergency attention to try to reverse the cardiac arrest?

FOWLER: As a physician, I would agree.

BLACKWELL: Are you critical of the fact that he wasn't given immediate emergency care when he went into cardiac arrest?

FOWLER: As a physician, I would agree.

BLACKWELL: When you were observing the footage of Mr. Floyd after he has gone unconscious, there's a point in time where you see his legs raise up. Do you recall seeing his legs raise at the point after he was unconscious on the ground?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Was that leg raising, was that consistent with what's known as an anoxic seizure?

FOWLER: That is what we would typically call it, yes.

BLACKWELL: And an anoxic seizure typically represents that there has been some damage to the brain stem due to insufficient oxygen, true?

FOWLER: It's anoxics or in some cases we would call it hypoxic seizure. And it's not damage to the brain stem, it means that the part of the brain that governs our actual muscular movement, which is the higher portion of the brain is not functioning properly.

So, typically people with seizure disorders who have seizure activity, it's from the motor cortex and not from down at the brain stem. If you've damaged the brain stem at that particular stage, the person is effectively going to be deceased.

BLACKWELL: So, but it's fair to say, when we see an anoxic seizure, at the very least, we know that the brain is suffering from insufficient oxygen?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Do you agree that low oxygen in the body, insufficient oxygen, it can cause brain injury, can't it?

FOWLER: Absolutely.

BLACKWELL: And it can also result in P.E.A., pulseless electrical activity, true?

FOWLER: True.

BLACKWELL: Now, Mr. Floyd had a P.E.A., a pulseless electrical activity arrythmia when his body was taken away from the scene on May 25, 2020, didn't he?

FOWLER: Correct.

BLACKWELL: Is it true, Dr. Fowler, that the most common cause of a P.E.A. is low oxygen, insufficient oxygen?

FOWLER: To the brain?

BLACKWELL: Yes, sir.

FOWLER: Yes. Which can also be caused by a cardiac stand still. So no oxygen to the brain, from either mechanism, will cause P.E.A.

[15:35:00] BLACKWELL: I had a number of questions. I'm kind of thinking through them, I'll just ask you this. I had a number of questions that have to do with whether you did any sort of quantitative measurements about Mr. Floyd's oxygen level, his EELV at different points in time. Including at what point in time do you think his oxygen storage were completely depleted?

I take it, Dr. Fowler, if I have any questions about quantitative measurements, about Mr. Floyd's EELV, those would not have been measurements you would have undertaken for any reason, right?

FOWLER: Correct.

BLACKWELL: And to the extent we are looking for such measurements, better to ask either a pulmonologist, a respiratory physiologist but not necessarily -- well, not Dr. Fowler as a forensic pathologist, fair enough?

FOWLER: Fair enough. Forensic pathologists do not typically look at living people who are breathing.

BLACKWELL: By the same token, if I had a series of questions about measurements of the carbon dioxide levels in Mr. Floyd's body after he ceased to breathe, between the time that he ceased to breathe and before the time he was given oxygen, when he was picked up and given medical care and taken to Hennepin County Medical Center.

You didn't do any quantitative analysis, did you, as to the carbon dioxide levels in Mr. Floyd's body in between the time he ceased to breathe and then the time he would receive assisted oxygen?

FOWLER: No, not specific quantitative analysis, no.

BLACKWELL: You had quite a discussion about the paraganglioma. Remember that discussion?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Do you know we had a witness who testified who refers it to -- refers to an incidental log. You have heard that expression before?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Now you talked about the paraganglioma potentially being an issue if it were secreting adrenaline, right?

FOWLER: Correct.

BLACKWELL: 90 percent of paragangliomas do not secrete adrenaline, is that right?

FOWLER: I think that's probably correct. I don't have that number in my head, but I have no reason to disbelieve that.

BLACKWELL: Now, you're not telling the jury, are you, sir, that Mr. Floyd died from a paraganglioma, are you? FOWLER: No.

BLACKWELL: And although Dr. Baker did identify the paraganglioma on autopsy, he didn't perform any tests to determine whether it was a secreting tumor, that is, secreting adrenaline, did he?

FOWLER: Correct. The only way to test those particular tumors is -- there's two methods to test. One is to do a blood test and if the paraganglioma is one which is constantly secreting, you'll pick it up on a blood test.

For those paragangliomas that tend to be cyclical, if you do a blood test and you happen to pick it up at the bottom of the cycle, it won't show.

And so in some cases, the first test is to do a blood test. If it's positive, you've got your answer. If that blood test is negative, you then go on to do a 24-hour urine catecholamine screen, which will pick up the surges and the dose. And that is then the second test. That would be done in these cases, neither of them were done.

BLACKWELL: Doctor, just for clarification, is it pronounced paraganglioma or paragangli-inoma?

FOWLER: I often add in the extra vowel. So it's a paraganglia-inoma -- paraganglioma. Sorry.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, Dr. Fowler.

Is it true that in all the world literature, there have only been six reported cases of people who have died from a sudden heart event from adrenaline release from a paraganglioma, is that true?

FOWLER: That's what the literature says. Because in many cases it may go completely unrecognized.

BLACKWELL: I just asked if it was true, Dr. Fowler.

FOWLER: Yes, that's what's in the literature.

BLACKWELL: Now, one of the signature hallmarks of a paraganglioma is a headache, right?

FOWLER: If it is one that does secretion, at surge and then dip and surge. So if it's one that constantly secretes a small amount, it will not cause any symptoms at all.

[15:40:00]

BLACKWELL: All right. But to the extent that -- well, we know that amongst the various complaints that Mr. Floyd had about pains, he never did complain about a headache, did he?

FOWLER: I seem to remember at least -- I seem to remember one admission where he complained of a headache, but I -- I'm going from memory now. And you know I am not sure. BLACKWELL: And here I'm referring to May 25th of last year. You have a

recollections that Mr. Floyd complained of a headache?

FOWLER: I know he complained of tooth pain and a few other things. But I can't be sure that he did not complain of headache, I do not have a clear recollection, counselor.

BLACKWELL: Right. I won't hold you to that.

FOWLER: Thank you

BLACKWELL: So Dr. Fowler, you asked some questions about Mr. Floyd saying, I can't breathe, before he was put on the ground during the subdual and the restraint. Do you recall that discussion?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Were you able to see what was happening with Mr. Floyd as they were trying to get him into what's referred to as a Squad 320?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Were you aware of whether or not Mr. Floyd was experiencing being choked as he was being put into the back of Squad 320?

FOWLER: I did not see a limb around his neck, from my recollection. That's not something I noticed.

BLACKWELL: Your Honor, counsel, I have a couple of stills from Exhibit 43 that's already in. And these are numbered Exhibits 281 and 282. And I would offer those stills from Exhibit 43 already in evidence.

JUDGE PETER CAHILL, HENNEPIN COUNTY: Any objections?

COURT OFFICIAL: 281, 282, counselor?

BLACKWELL: Yes. May I, your Honor?

CAHILL: Yes. 281 and 282 are received.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, your Honor.

So if we could first, Fred, if we could show 282.

Can you see here in 282 this area, do you see where I've circled, Dr. Fowler?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: And do you see this arm that is around Mr. Floyd's neck?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Do you recognize this person to be Mr. Chauvin?

FOWLER: It appears to be, yes. BLACKWELL: And if I could show you 281. I'm sorry, your Honor. And

here we see the top of Mr. Floyd's face. And then there's a hand here on his neck. Do you see that?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: And so you -- these weren't images or scenes that you had paid special attention to before as you looked at what was going on in Squad 320. You have not seen any arms or anything around Mr. Floyd's neck?

FOWLER: No, I had seen these particular sections. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your question. You said before he went into Squad 320. I apologize if I misinterpreted your question.

BLACKWELL: And so do you know whether when Mr. Floyd was into the back of Squad 320 and before he was pulled out, whether he complained about being choked? Did he say, I'm getting choked?

FOWLER: I believe he did, yes.

BLACKWELL: And it doesn't take a medical doctor such as yourself to know that if somebody is feeling they are getting choked, well, that would be a good reason why they would say they can't breathe?

FOWLER: Yes.

[15:45:00]

BLACKWELL: I want, Dr. Fowler, to see if you could clear up a couple of things for me just in the timeline of what happened with respect to Mr. Floyd in restraint on the ground.

Was the leg extension, the anoxic seizure, as we referred to it, was that before he lost consciousness or was it after he lost consciousness?

FOWLER: After.

BLACKWELL: OK. And did you make a note of when Mr. Floyd's -- when was his last vocal sound, do you remember?

FOWLER: Somewhere between a minute -- 45 seconds and a minute before -- I've got the information written down somewhere. Before he went unconscious was about the last time that he actually vocalized.

BLACKWELL: If we focus in on the period of the subdual restraint and the neck compression, was there ever a time during the 9 minutes and 29 seconds where you saw Mr. Floyd either sleepy, unarousable or anything that's akin to being in a coma?

FOWLER: So from the period after he has those hypoxic seizures?

BLACKWELL: Or from the time he's first put on the ground, that he's pulled out of the car, Squad 320, he's subdued and restrained on the ground, Mr. Chauvin is on his neck and back, did you ever see Mr. Floyd at any time manifest either sleepiness, a lack of awareness that he wasn't arousable and that sort of thing?

FOWLER: No, not until he lost consciousness.

BLACKWELL: And typically, doctor, when somebody passes away from a fentanyl or opioid overdose, one of the hallmarks of that is that they are very sleepy and they will tend to be unarousable and pass away in essentially a coma, right?

FOWLER: Correct. If they are passing away from fentanyl overdose, that's what happens.

BLACKWELL: And Mr. Floyd was manifesting none of those outward symptoms, was he, on the ground?

FOWLER: Correct. It does not exclude the fact that it was still having a depressive effect on his respiratory system.

BLACKWELL: Well, before he lost consciousness, his respiration rate, I think you told us that you agree with Dr. Tobin, was somewhere in the ballpark of 22 breaths a minute, right?

FOWLER: Correct.

BLACKWELL: That is normal, isn't it?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: If fentanyl was affecting his respiration, then you would expect a respiratory rate that would have been appreciably less than 22 breaths a minute if it's depressing his respiratory system, right?

FOWLER: Unless he should have been breathing at 30 at that particular stage because of his exertion and other stressors.

BLACKWELL: And you have no -- really basis or baseline to suggest that Mr. Floyd should have been breathing at 30 instead of the normal 22, right?

FOWLER: A person who is getting short of oxygen to their brain will often increase or usually increase their respiratory rate to more than 30.

BLACKWELL: I want to talk with you a bit about the methamphetamine. First, let me clear up if I can, this issue of pills again in the car on May 25th. When Dr. Baker performed the autopsy, isn't it true that there weren't any pills found in Mr. Floyd's stomach?

FOWLER: Correct. Dr. Baker did not identify any pill, tablet, call it what you want, residue within the stomach.

BLACKWELL: And obviously, any pill that's found in a car is a pill that's in Mr. Floyd's body?

FOWLER: Correct. Whatever the residual amount in those tablets was, was not in his body.

[15:50:00]

BLACKWELL: Now I think you made a statement with respect to the methamphetamine that it was not accompanied by a metabolite commonly seen if the meth had been in the system for an appreciable period of time.

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: And I want to kind of be clear on this. Have you -- since making the statement in your report learned that in fact the metabolite of methamphetamine, that is amphetamine as the metabolite was present in Mr. Floyd's bloodstream from the toxicology results?

FOWLER: I have heard a statement to that fact, yes.

BLACKWELL: Did you investigate the statement to determine whether or not it was true?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: And did you find that contrary to what you had written in your report you in fact found that the metabolite of methamphetamine was present from the toxicology results from Mr. Floyd?

FOWLER: In very low levels, so it did not change my opinion.

BLACKWELL: Well, the methamphetamine itself was only present in very low levels, isn't that true?

FOWLER: That is true.

BLACKWELL: And so there's not a lot of meth, then there won't be a lot of the metabolite either. That makes sense, doesn't it?

FOWLER: Correct, and/or again substantial amount of whatever methamphetamine is there has not yet been metabolized.

BLACKWELL: So what was the level of methamphetamine that was found in this toxicology results, do you remember?

FOWLER: Not off hand, no.

BLACKWELL: How about 19 nanograms per milliliter. Does that sound right?

FOWLER: It sounded right. I did not want to say it because I did not want to be inaccurate.

BLACKWELL: Yes. Thank you, doctor.

19 nanogram of methamphetamine is within the range of what you would see in a patient whose doctor prescribed a therapeutic dose of methamphetamine, true?

FOWLER: That is true if methamphetamine is used in a therapeutic environment. BLACKWELL: Your Honor. Can I have just one second.

CAHILL: Sure.

BLACKWELL: So last question, Dr. Fowler, and then I will sit down for now.

I wanted to again just address the timeline from your report, and I will read it to you, and my question would be whether or not this is the timeline that you still -- that you stand behind, if I may.

So at 8:24:09, the last audible vocal sounds identifiable as Mr. Floyd's are heard. Soon thereafter voices from bystanders tell police he is not breathing. Mr. Floyd exhibits extension movements of right lower extremity at 8:24:21 and movements of his right arm at 8:24:33.

At 8:25:16 Mr. Floyd appears to have passed out. So representation from your report, is that your best knowledge and information, sir?

FOWLER: That's the information I extracted at that time, yes.

BLACKWELL: And you stand by that, too, at this time, correct?

FOWLER: I have no reason to disagree with that at this time now.

BLACKWELL: Dr. Fowler, thank you.

CAHILL: Counselor, should we break at this time or can you be brief? Break?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CAHILL: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Break

CAHILL: We'll take a 20-minute break. Let's try and think about 10 after.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: All right. 20-minute break.

Elie Honig. Where do we begin? How about just credibility of this expert witness? Maybe big picture. What are the five points that were made in this cross?

ELIE HONIG, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, Brooke, so first of all, people hear of cross-examination and they think it's angry and aggressive, right. They think of "A Few Good Men" and "I want the truth."

[15:55:00]

It does not have to be. This was clinical and systematic. Five biggest points that I saw come out of it. First of all, the prosecutor questioned the expert about several of the studies that he relied on, but the prosecutor said none of them involved nine minutes and 29 seconds, did they? And the expert had to admit, no. None of them went that long.

Second of all, he got the expert to admit he did not take key measurements relating to what they called the EELV, the breathing, the oxygen rates.

Third, he got this expert to admit he obvious point that he's not a cardiologist, he's not a pulmonologist. Those people would be more expert in the heart and the lungs. And remember, the prosecution called experts in both of those fields.

Fourth, he got this expert to admit that the police officer should have rendered immediate medical attention and that he faulted them for not rendering immediate medical attention.

And finally the prosecutor got this expert to admit that if it was an overdose the person would appear to be sleepy or in a coma, and the expert did not see either of those things with George Floyd.

BALDWIN: Let me -- before, chief, I come over to you, I'm digesting all of your points, Elie, so well executed.

Let me just play a key moment where the prosecutor really, really -- Jerry Blackwell really attacked this -- this expert witness on his point about carbon monoxide. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BLACKWELL: You haven't seen any data or test results that showed Mr. Floyd had a single injury from carbon monoxide. Is that true?

FOWLER: That is correct because it was never sent to the laboratory for that test.

BLACKWELL: I asked you whether it was true, sir, yes or no?

FOWLER: It is true.

BLACKWELL: Now as you were talking about carbon monoxide, you were referring to the squad car that Mr. Floyd was near, weren't you?

FOWLER: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Have you ever laid eyes -- I don't mean pictures, physically, on the squad car that you were referring to?

FOWLER: I have not.

BLACKWELL: Do you know whether it has a single exhaust or double exhaust?

FOWLER: The information that I was provided it has a double exhaust with twin exhaust pipes on each side, so it has four exhausts.

BLACKWELL: Right. Now, did you know the make and the model of the car?

FOWLER: It is a Ford Explorer Interceptor.

BLACKWELL: Is it a hybrid?

FOWLER: Yes, it is.

BLACKWELL: OK. Now, did you see any air monitoring data that actually would give you any information as to what amount of carbon monoxide, if any, would have been in Mr. Floyd's breathing zone?

FOWLER: No because it was not tested.

BLACKWELL: It was a yes or no question. You haven't seen any, have you?

FOWLER: I have not seen any data.

 

[NorthDakota]

Dude basically testiffied that everything BUT Chauvin kneeling on Floyds neck contributed to his death. Even mentined fumes from nearby cars as a contributing factor. Prosecuters literally demolished his entire testimony and got him to agree that he was full of shit on the stand.

He said the nearby car i believe... his face was by a tailpipe...

 

[IrishLax]

He said the nearby car i believe... his face was by a tailpipe...

That whole section was bizarre. Who put his face next to that tail pipe? And then immediately thereafter he admitted that he actually had no evidence whatsoever that Floyd was poisoned by carbon monoxide.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That whole section was bizarre. Who put his face next to that tail pipe? And then immediately thereafter he admitted that he actually had no evidence whatsoever that Floyd was poisoned by carbon monoxide.

Exactly! The guy was just making up any excuse he could or muddying the waters to cause some sort of doubt. He had zero evidence to back up most of the claims he was pressed on by

 

[NorthDakota]

Didnt watch this morning, but sounds like we should have had a mistrial this morning. State held onto some evidence. Judge apparently said he would call a mistrial if the state's witness brought it up...and sure enough he brought it up. Sounds like then the judge sent the jury away to do damage control.

Will be neat to see what the jury does. Would love to be able to eavesdrop.

 

[ulukinatme]

Didnt watch this morning, but sounds like we should have had a mistrial this morning. State held onto some evidence. Judge apparently said he would call a mistrial if the state's witness brought it up...and sure enough he brought it up. Sounds like then the judge sent the jury away to do damage control.

Will be neat to see what the jury does. Would love to be able to eavesdrop.

I've seen that some are speculating they were going to go for mistrial as they thought defense proved reasonable doubt, in which case a mistrial is the preferred outcome. Looks like Monday we may or may not find out the results.

 

[drayer54]

Didnt watch this morning, but sounds like we should have had a mistrial this morning. State held onto some evidence. Judge apparently said he would call a mistrial if the state's witness brought it up...and sure enough he brought it up. Sounds like then the judge sent the jury away to do damage control.

Will be neat to see what the jury does. Would love to be able to eavesdrop.

If you have business to conduct in a major city or anywhere near Minneapolis, you may want to do it ASAP or postpone it. Also, buy guns, buy ammo, stay out of dense traffic, and prepare yourself appropriately for the roaring 20's/summer of violence.

 

[NorthDakota]

That whole section was bizarre. Who put his face next to that tail pipe? And then immediately thereafter he admitted that he actually had no evidence whatsoever that Floyd was poisoned by carbon monoxide.

Yeah they spent a good bit of time on that, and it didn't make much sense to me.

Then again I'm not a doctor or a highly paid defense attorney.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

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Sometimes i just dont understand.

 

[IrishLax]

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Remember, bad cops aren't just coming for black people, they're also shooting conservative white honor students in their driveway in the suburbs. Same crap that happened to Tamir Rice. Oh, and conveniently no body cam footage. So we just have to trust the cop and the doctored/coached witness statements (that I'm sure will be retracted in short order). If you believe a 16 year old playing with an airsoft gun got shot... and then -- after being shot and lying on the ground bleeding -- pulled a knife and threatened the cop such that the cop was forced to shoot him again while he was on the ground... get your brain checked. That's a completely implausible series of events from someone who couldn't be bothered to turn on their body cam.

 

[NorthDakota]

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Sometimes i just dont understand.

Judge was not happy with the state. Sounds like they were very much aware that the defense was going to go down this route and didn't bother trying to obtain or share it with the defense until this morning.

 

[TorontoGold]

Judge was not happy with the state. Sounds like they were very much aware that the defense was going to go down this route and didn't bother trying to obtain or share it with the defense until this morning.

Is it inadmissible because the state never shared it?

 

[NorthDakota]

Is it inadmissible because the state never shared it?

"Its called disclosure ya dickhead!" - Mona Lisa Vito in My Cousin Vinnie.

I'm not sure on the specifics, there might be some situations where it would be admissible. These guys are high profile attorneys, I'm guessing they know the rules very well.

I think surprises are pretty frowned upon. Judges have a lot of discretion. It seems like the problem isn't "you didn't share evidence you had obtained", because that's a real big no-no. Seems like the deal is "you should have obtained this evidence sooner if you wanted to use it."

 

[drayer54]

Is it inadmissible because the state never shared it?

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Judge addresses it here.

 

[IrishLax]

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[Polish Leppy 22]

Clay Travis. I agree with a lot of his anti-PC takes ("the first amendment and boobs" is an all-timer on CNN)... but he goes a bit too far when it comes to trying to reverse victimhood when he goes after the "woke" and "blue check mark" brigades.

He's made his base of predominantly white southern males think they are under attack constantly, when the only inconvenience they REALLY face is some crazy lefties stereotyping them on social media. Talk about snowflakes...

How do you characterize Jason Whitlock then? A black guy who claims to be apolitical but strongly opposes woke sports media and woke athletes, and also critical of BLM as an organization.

 

[Henges24]

For anyone interested in the recent Chicago shooting there is a pretty good breakdown (2nd video down) of what occurred.

http://news.wttw.com/2021/04/15/cop...fatal-police-shooting-13-year-old-adam-toledo

I’ll let you decide for yourself.

 

[drayer54]

For anyone interested in the recent Chicago shooting there is a pretty good breakdown (2nd video down) of what occurred.

http://news.wttw.com/2021/04/15/cop...fatal-police-shooting-13-year-old-adam-toledo

I’ll let you decide for yourself.

Good breakdown and article. I'm still curious how he earned the name 'Lil Homicide' and if this video will raise or cool tensions there?

 

[Blazers46]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1382816606632386560?s=21[/TWEET]

Anyone can cherry pick an incident and make a meme or whatever this is.

 

[nvirish]

Yeah the media is not mentioning all the details of what happened before this situation and of course cherry picking what film scenes are shown. Mother was not mothering at all, he was missing for 48 hours mom didn’t care, he was running around firing a gun with his gangbanging 21 year old friend. Ran from the cop and had a gun in his hand before he was shot. Once again, let’s make the kid and mom be the victims to stir up peoples emotions. Schools have been totally closed for a year and his family situation was such that he found more family in a local gang as a result.

 

[Irish#1]

Clay Travis. I agree with a lot of his anti-PC takes ("the first amendment and boobs" is an all-timer on CNN)... but he goes a bit too far when it comes to trying to reverse victimhood when he goes after the "woke" and "blue check mark" brigades.

He's made his base of predominantly white southern males think they are under attack constantly, when the only inconvenience they REALLY face is some crazy lefties stereotyping them on social media. Talk about snowflakes...

He definitely likes to promote some agendas and goes after the woke, but his core is sports and is why he’s on the radio. Sharpton shows up to incidents and events all the time. Travis hasn’t went that far yet. Jesse Jackson isn’t nearly as visible as he use to be, but from what I remember he doesn’t fan the flames like Sharpton.

 

[TorontoGold]

Anyone can cherry pick an incident and make a meme or whatever this is.

Is the image wrong?

 

[drayer54]

Is the image wrong?

It lacks context and is rather idiotic, imo.

Watch how the kid in Kenosha approached the police and watch how the kids who ran from or attempted to flee the police handled them. Study it. Think about it. Put yourself in the cops shoes.

report back.

 

[NorthDakota]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1382816606632386560?s=21[/TWEET]

Is this Twitter account suggesting that the one on the left should have been killed rather than the one on the right?

two unique situations. Hopefully the police in the latter are held accountable if reality is as bad as the video appears. Feel bad for the kid and his family.

 

[drayer54]

Is this Twitter account suggesting that the one on the left should have been killed rather than the one on the right?

two unique situations. Hopefully the police in the latter are held accountable if reality is as bad as the video appears. Feel bad for the kid and his family.

What is so bad about it and what do you expect to have happen when you pull a gun on a cop?

it’s sad that this kid was in this situation, but my sympathy goes to the officer who has to live with this.