Police State USA

[Rocket89]

The defense has highlighted their narrative relative to the prosecution. They haven't presented their witnesses yet. A right-wing blog fever dream? Wow. I don't pretend to have all the facts and am glad I am not on the jury, but I don't see this as the slam dunk that you do.

I don't see it as a slam dunk at all. The American judicial system doesn't have the best batting average to have a bunch of confidence in a case like this.

 

[NorthDakota]

If the toxicology report was far, far, far worse and a single medical professional considered OD in this case then your line of questioning would be important. But, it's not. The evidence in this case doesn't support this line of argument which is why people have resorted to blowing Floyd's drug use at the time of death way out of proportion and leaning on hypotheticals that are extremely flimsy and difficult to defend.



Did anything about the situation w/r/t Floyd seem unsafe? It's almost like you're typing out how Chauvin completely overreacted.



No, the medical examiner is providing context to the situation as he should. He also ruled homicide.

We'll see what the defense has in store. As of today we have several credentialed people saying "prosecution is right", starting tomorrow we may see some similarly credentialed people saying "defense is right."

I'm curious if the defense was successful at all with the jury nudging that the experts had bias. Some of them are working for free or reduced fees. To me, that smells like people hunting for future jobs in a high profile case but im a cynical guy.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't see it as a slam dunk at all. The American judicial system doesn't have the best batting average to have a bunch of confidence in a case like this.

You mean OJ may have done it and Casey Anthony killed her kid?!?!

 

[Blazers46]

I don't see it as a slam dunk at all. The American judicial system doesn't have the best batting average to have a bunch of confidence in a case like this.

How would you change the system?

 

[IrishRazor82]

MN is a joke right now. MN and the border are a good microcosm of what democratic policies look like.

 

[Rocket89]

How would you change the system?

Sequestering the jury would’ve been a good idea in this particular case. But, I mean more in the sense that a verdict either way doesn’t necessarily mean truth or justice were delivered.

 

[Blazers46]

Sequestering the jury would’ve been a good idea in this particular case. But, I mean more in the sense that a verdict either way doesn’t necessarily mean truth or justice were delivered.

I think the best moce would have been to move the trial. The Jurors themselves are making a decision that not only affects justice but it could ultimately affect their city burning to the ground. Not to mention once a verdict does come down they will have to live in that community. I would not want that responsibilty or weight on my shoulders as a member of the Minneapolis community.

 

[NorthDakota]

I think the best moce would have been to move the trial. The Jurors themselves are making a decision that not only affects justice but it could ultimately affect their city burning to the ground. Not to mention once a verdict does come down they will have to live in that community. I would not want that responsibilty or weight on my shoulders as a member of the Minneapolis community.

I have zero idea what goes into these things but I think you both might be onto something. Tough deal all around. At the end of the day, a tragedy occurred and while I love taking a steamy dump on Minnesota at every opportunity, they are my neighbors.

 

[drayer54]

I think the best moce would have been to move the trial. The Jurors themselves are making a decision that not only affects justice but it could ultimately affect their city burning to the ground. Not to mention once a verdict does come down they will have to live in that community. I would not want that responsibilty or weight on my shoulders as a member of the Minneapolis community.

Exactly. They are watching the community get wrecked again and have to know they are deciding more than Chauvin’s fate. It should have been moved to Rochester or some place else.

also- brilliant move here...
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1381784280473407493?s=21[/TWEET]

 

[PerthDomer]

Exactly. They are watching the community get wrecked again and have to know they are deciding more than Chauvin’s fate. It should have been moved to Rochester or some place else.

also- brilliant move here...
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1381784280473407493?s=21[/TWEET]

If you moved it to Rochester there's a good chance you get an all white jury significantly less likely to convict a cop in general. It'd be great for the defense.

 

[drayer54]

If you moved it to Rochester there's a good chance you get an all white jury significantly less likely to convict a cop in general. It'd be great for the defense.

I just tossed out a city that isn't a disaster right now. I think a good chunk of the jury is white women now.

 

[drayer54]

Riot season is back.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381788221256916992?s=20[/TWEET]

Sounds like Baghdad in 03'

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381818177894645760?s=20[/TWEET]

Also- weird how this works. Not sure why Joe Biden wants to disarm these people.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381791401717944320?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

Trump took a lot of criticism for not speaking out about the earlier riots, even from Biden. Has Joe said anything yet? I haven’t seen anything reported.

 

[Irishize]

Riot season is back.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381788221256916992?s=20[/TWEET]

Sounds like Baghdad in 03'

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381818177894645760?s=20[/TWEET]

Also- weird how this works. Not sure why Joe Biden wants to disarm these people.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1381791401717944320?s=20[/TWEET]

This is the point of the thread where someone calls Julio Rosas a Nazi b/c he once wore a Hugo Boss suit.

 

[Irish#1]

Police are reporting damages at the Dollar Tree are estimated at $32.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Surprised this hasn't come up earlier. Boy does it pay to be a race hustler in 2021 America. Not only is she a Marxist who apparently loves capitalism, she enjoys living around a bunch of white people.


https://news.yahoo.com/blm-official-...114017918.html

Cullors, 37, has reportedly purchased four high-end homes for $3.2 million in the U.S. alone, per New York Post, including property in a mostly white area of Topanga Canyon in Los Angeles County for $1.4 million.

 

[Irish#1]

Surprised this hasn't come up earlier. Boy does it pay to be a race hustler in 2021 America. Not only is she a Marxist who apparently loves capitalism, she enjoys living around a bunch of white people.


https://news.yahoo.com/blm-official-...114017918.html

Cullors, 37, has reportedly purchased four high-end homes for $3.2 million in the U.S. alone, per New York Post, including property in a mostly white area of Topanga Canyon in Los Angeles County for $1.4 million.

Falling into the same trap many others have like the lady from Will Komen Race for the Cure? Sure doesn’t look good.

 

[NorthDakota]

Defense called a pretty "well-known" pathologist. Sounds like he's worked in his share of high profile cases. Has taught at some big schools/hospitals.

Sounds like there is some concern by prosecution about his methods, works with a panel of experts in other medical disciplines. I think the concern is that he could testify other doctor's opinions as a result.

 

[drayer54]

This testimony from Dr. Fowler is pretty damning IMO. The defense attorney is doing a good job of slow walking through his report.

 

[NorthDakota]

This testimony from Dr. Fowler is pretty damning IMO. The defense attorney is doing a good job of slow walking through his report.

Lol we'll see how it goes, but the media has their head in the sand. Some lady on HLN (I'm watching there) said getting him as a expert was bad, because he's from South Africa and might be a racist.

I have no idea how to decide if a dude is a good expert to get or not, but it appears he's done this for a long time, taught at Johns Hopkins, the FBI, U of Maryland.

Jury could very well decide he's wrong...I suspect his status as a South African will not play into it. Seems offensive to the jury tbh.

 

[drayer54]

Lol we'll see how it goes, but the media has their head in the sand. Some lady on HLN (I'm watching there) said getting him as a expert was bad, because he's from South Africa and might be a racist.

I have no idea how to decide if a dude is a good expert to get or not, but it appears he's done this for a long time, taught at Johns Hopkins, the FBI, U of Maryland.

Jury could very well decide he's wrong...I suspect his status as a South African will not play into it. Seems offensive to the jury tbh.

If you can raise doubt about the cause of death, then nothing else will matter. Assuming, of course, the jury is impartial.

 

[IrishLax]

Lol we'll see how it goes, but the media has their head in the sand. Some lady on HLN (I'm watching there) said getting him as a expert was bad, because he's from South Africa and might be a racist.

I have no idea how to decide if a dude is a good expert to get or not, but it appears he's done this for a long time, taught at Johns Hopkins, the FBI, U of Maryland.

Jury could very well decide he's wrong...I suspect his status as a South African will not play into it. Seems offensive to the jury tbh.

You can find an expert witness to say whatever you want. That's how these consulting firms work... someone with credentials gets up there to push your narrative. Sometimes they outright lie, but they will always bend the truth in the way they are paid to do.

We've had a handful of impartial, not-being-paid-to-say-something experts for the state give a different account than Fowler. Getting Fowler as an expert witness wasn't bad because he's from South Africa, it's bad because he's currently facing a federal lawsuit over another Black man that died in police custody and he resigned in disgrace because of his handling of Anton Black's autopsy. He literally lost his job and is being sued because of a different Black guy who died from being pinned on the ground by cops for 5 minutes... and that's ironically the best expert witness the defense could come up with. But hey... at least he's consistent.

 

[NorthDakota]

You can find an expert witness to say whatever you want. That's how these consulting firms work... someone with credentials gets up there to push your narrative. Sometimes they outright lie, but they will always bend the truth in the way they are paid to do.

We've had a handful of impartial, not-being-paid-to-say-something experts for the state give a different account than Fowler. Getting Fowler as an expert witness wasn't bad because he's from South Africa, it's bad because he's currently facing a federal lawsuit over another Black man that died in police custody and he resigned in disgrace because of his handling of Anton Black's autopsy. He literally lost his job and is being sued because of a different Black guy who died from being pinned on the ground by cops for 5 minutes... and that's ironically the best expert witness the defense could come up with. But hey... at least he's consistent.

People get sued for all sorts of things all the time. Jury didn't get to hear about that though.

Our evidence professor mentioned experts testifying for free/reduced awards in big trials should be viewed with skepticism because they are doing it for free/cheap. High profile opportunity to be a hero and/or secure future employment opportunities.

Seems like the only one with a strong case for being impartial would be the Hennepin County medical examiner guy. He just had to defend his findings. Said he didn't watch anything until he was done with his work. But, perhaps he just doesn't want to watch the city burn down (i didn't get that vibe from him, but you get the point).

People found the heart doctor's tweets... dude felt it was appropriate to diagnose DJT with an illness. I think that's generally considered unethical. He doesn't tweet much, but some social justice stuff. With the political/cultural impact of the trial, seems like he might be invested in a specific outcome.

The state's use-of-force guy was writing letters to the WaPo within days of Mr. Floyd's death. Seems like he had his mind made up before reviewing materials.

99% of medical and science stuff goes right over my head. Maybe they were 100% correct in their testimony. But I wouldn't say they are above reproach.

 

[Blazers46]

This testimony from Dr. Fowler is pretty damning IMO. The defense attorney is doing a good job of slow walking through his report.

I have been following this like most probably followed OJ. I have been busy today, what did I miss?

 

[Blazers46]

Surprised this hasn't come up earlier. Boy does it pay to be a race hustler in 2021 America. Not only is she a Marxist who apparently loves capitalism, she enjoys living around a bunch of white people.


https://news.yahoo.com/blm-official-...114017918.html

Cullors, 37, has reportedly purchased four high-end homes for $3.2 million in the U.S. alone, per New York Post, including property in a mostly white area of Topanga Canyon in Los Angeles County for $1.4 million.

Lets be honest. Jesse Jackson and the Al Shartons of the world would not have a purpose in life if race issues did not exist. Just like any business, if business is slow you have to squeeze lemons to make lemonade. I think I randomly turned on MSNBC or CNN yesterday and saw Al Sharpton... I could not turn the channel fast enough. I can think of many people who have made a career off race hustling. Jamile HIll and even Bomani Jones from ESPN are great examples.

 

[Irish#1]

Lets be honest. Jesse Jackson and the Al Shartons of the world would not have a purpose in life if race issues did not exist. Just like any business, if business is slow you have to squeeze lemons to make lemonade. I think I randomly turned on MSNBC or CNN yesterday and saw Al Sharpton... I could not turn the channel fast enough. I can think of many people who have made a career off race hustling. Jamile HIll and even Bomani Jones from ESPN are great examples.

I think there’s a difference in what she did and the sphere in which others operate.

 

[NorthDakota]

I have been following this like most probably followed OJ. I have been busy today, what did I miss?

Umm...cliff notes version:

Defense called a pathologist. He scored some hits. He took some dings. The forensics guy on the TV seemed to think his criticisms of the medical examiner were pretty good while some other things did not go well for him.

We will see how tomorrow goes!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Lets be honest. Jesse Jackson and the Al Shartons of the world would not have a purpose in life if race issues did not exist. Just like any business, if business is slow you have to squeeze lemons to make lemonade. I think I randomly turned on MSNBC or CNN yesterday and saw Al Sharpton... I could not turn the channel fast enough. I can think of many people who have made a career off race hustling. Jamile HIll and even Bomani Jones from ESPN are great examples.

Agree on Jackson and Sharpton. They were the first race hustlers in the US. Jamele Hill and Bomani Jones could have careers in sports if they just stayed away from the racial/ political stuff, but they can't help themselves and they were empowered by MSESPN.

 

[ND88]

It’s interesting how some of you posting about “race hustlers” are specifically targeting black Americans, as if hustling race matters isn’t a thoroughly historical enterprise in this country. But go ahead. Let it off your chest if it got you all locked up inside. Smh.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

It’s interesting how some of you posting about “race hustlers” are specifically targeting black Americans, as if hustling race matters isn’t a thoroughly historical enterprise in this country. But go ahead. Let it off your chest if it got you all locked up inside. Smh.

It's a sad reality but we're calling a spade a spade here. We can take this particular woman's race completely out of the conversation and she's still full of shit.

As a self described Marxist, what the hell is she doing with multiple homes worth millions? And if you're a financial supporter of the BLM movement, is this what you donated your money towards? How does this woman spending millions on homes solve any of our societal problems that BLM advocates? Hypocrisy at the highest level and it wouldn't matter if she were black, white, yellow, green or purple.