Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

Brian Kelly Revisited

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T-Boone

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I agree with 3rd. Lincoln Riley and Kirby make good cases for the bronze but Oklohoma have had some bad losses.
Riley probably deserves to be higher than Kirby because of the success he has had at QB.
 
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T-Boone said:
No, because he is a great offensive coach and well known and would be a great recruiter and he is the kind of assistent Saban would put on.
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But his QB resume is Barrett/Jones and Ehlinger who plateaued big time. Are we sure he would take us to another QB level would be my concern there
 
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T-Boone said:
No, because he is a great offensive coach and well known and would be a great recruiter and he is the kind of assistent Saban would put on.
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Wasn’t his claim to fame revamping OSU’s running game? I’m not sure he’s on the bleeding edge of passing offenses.

While I’m giving Tommy a pass on the fact he hasn’t been at the controls very long I’m not yet sold on the idea he is the guy.
 
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BabyIrish said:
Your post doesn’t make sense:

On the one hand you say that Kelly should be our coach arguing that he’s doing a good job and then on the other you say that his ceiling is a G5 of school.

If his ceiling is G5 he shouldn’t be our coach period. I think Tennessee would give a bunch of money to have Kelly as their coach.

Also your vision comment is also out in left field. His vision for the program has been pretty consistent since 2017. Graduate Champions. And while he hasn’t won a championship yet, he’s gotten pretty darn close and he’s certainly graduating his players.

I’d also argue that our talent is level has been top 5. We’ve put a lot of guys in the nfl in the last four years.
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I think you've misunderstood what I'm saying re Kelly. I think Kelly would be universally desired at the lower levels because he has proven he can make teams better than their peers. What he hasn't proven is he can win titles and many P5 teams fans are like ours, always thinking they should win a title. His ceiling is obviously higher than G5.

I guess I think Kelly is rated too high because fans are the ultimate judge and they'll take the flashy new guy (Riley, Day) over the vet who's never won a title ant day of the week.
 
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Dale said:
But his QB resume is Barrett/Jones and Ehlinger who plateaued big time. Are we sure he would take us to another QB level would be my concern there
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He won a championship with those QBs.
 
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T-Boone said:
He won a championship with those QBs.
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I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just trying to understand the point here. You agreed with the original poster that QB recruiting/development has been frustrating and then offered Herman as the solution. Looking at Herman, his resume for those things is Barrett/Jones and Ehlinger. So is the support of QB recruiting/development Barrett/Jones or is this not about QB recruiting/development really and you just like Herman in general?
 
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IrishLion said:
Trust The Process. Trust the Clemson Plan.

Win 10+ a bunch of years in a row, then at some point, something is going to go very right. Preferably at the QB position.

That's where BK has the program.

PHASE ONE - 2010-2016 - The "CLEMSONING" Phase. Win some games, but also drop some WTF games consistently. Can't win the big one.

PHASE TWO - 2017-2020 - The "CONSISTENT CLEMSON" Phase. Win 10+, beat who you're supposed to, win a big game or two that puts you near the top.

PHASE THREE - ???? - The "GENERATIONAL QB AT CLEMSON" Phase. Favored in almost every game because of a stacked roster, and you also found a badass QB that puts you over the top.

INITIATE PHASE THREE, BK.
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This I absolutely agree with. I made a post about 2 years ago saying that we were Clemson during their Clemsoning period and I think the effect of winning 10 games every year has an inevitable building quality. I strongly disagree with people like Pete Sampson who say that ND can't ever become a dynasty like Bama/ Clemson/ and (to a lesser extent) OSU are currently experiencing. What ND will likely never do is experience the "suddenly champions" thing like how LSU just won it. We can't build like that, it's just not in the cards for us. Our championships need to be culture built. We're not getting anywhere good without a strong foundation.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
As an OC or analyst? Sign me up. As HC instead of BK? Absolutely not.
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Would've loved Herman as an O analyst. I really wish BK would take on more wayward former HCs in those background roles like Saban. Maybe he would if ND would allow him, not sure.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
Would've loved Herman as an O analyst. I really wish BK would take on more wayward former HCs in those background roles like Saban. Maybe he would if ND would allow him, not sure.
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Would be interesting to know if it's BK/ND not wanting to have coaches in, or if coaches are not interested in doing that at ND.

If we are looking at this honestly, Saban has a very high turnover rate in his program and has placed coaches into prominent HC roles in CFB as well as growth to NFL positions or promotions to P5 coordinators. So it's easy to see the appeal if you are a coach....learn from Saban for 2/3 years or so, work your way to on the field coach. if you don't start out there, when the staff turns over at year end. For BK/ND, he has had some coaches move on to bigger and better things, but not at the pace of what Saban does.

IMO, it's probably a bit of both....ND won't let the football program spend all of that additional dollars. But there is no way in this universe that Bill O'Brien is coming to BK for advice or to "learn" from (or Tom Herman). Not because BK couldn't help him (maybe he could or maybe he couldn't) but there is really no incentive for him to do so ($ or professionally).
 
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I doubt ND is gonna pay a former HC the kind of money they want as an analyst, even if said coach's value has dropped recently.
 
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Dale said:
I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just trying to understand the point here. You agreed with the original poster that QB recruiting/development has been frustrating and then offered Herman as the solution. Looking at Herman, his resume for those things is Barrett/Jones and Ehlinger. So is the support of QB recruiting/development Barrett/Jones or is this not about QB recruiting/development really and you just like Herman in general?
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Yeah, I definitly think Herman would recruit better and develop QBs better than Rees because he is a much more recognisable name and can point to success.
Rees has recruited Pyne, Buchner (rather than JJ) and Angeli. Not good.
Herman developed good QBs when at Texas State and Rice.
Ehlinger is prett good will get drafted late rounds.
 
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stpeteirish said:
True, but I'd say getting talent is part of the equation too and Kelly doesn't excell there. Don't get me wrong, I think he should be our coach until he gets a lot worse or doesn't want to do it any more and the 2nd part is more likely than the 1st.

I think these ratings should be something along the lines of "who would you want to take over your team and make it better" Kelly might be the best guy out there for a Group of 5 team or a P5 underling but a P5 underachiever like Texas or Tennessee wouldn't be too crazy about Kelly vs someone who can sell a vision. Kelly's "vision'' is basically "I'll beat the guys I'm supposed to" and those schools would want some one else.
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Given what he's done with the recruiting restrictions, I think BK would excel at any other school. To the bolded, "Are you serious Clark?"
 
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T-Boone said:
What about Driskel saying Ryan Day ahead of BK. Give me a break.
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Trait Expectations said:
Driskel's a whore. I wish some other school would buy his fandom/coverage
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It's because Ohio State throws the ball deep down the field at a rate that Driskell approves of. That's literally all you have to do to impress him right now because of his anti-Rees stance.
 
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Irish YJ said:
Yes, he's a cheap whore too.

And welcome to the board. Or is it welcome back?
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