We are slow, Longo must go?

[NDdomer2]

 

[zelezo vlk]

Bama's S/C on another level. Some of these lifting numbers are insane for 20 year olds.

Calvin Ridley 40 time among notable numbers from Alabama spring testing | AL.com

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bama's S/C on another level. Some of these lifting numbers are insane for 20 year olds.

Calvin Ridley 40 time among notable numbers from Alabama spring testing | AL.com

I want to see what these guys combine numbers are in a year or two. It will be interesting to see if some slow down. Or get weaker when they have to pee in a cup outside Tuscaloosa, (where elephants run wild in pajamas).

And needless to say none of these numbers have been influenced by the media department, to strike fear in the heart of opponents; because everything you read on the internet is true!

 

[NorthDakota]

Bama's S/C on another level. Some of these lifting numbers are insane for 20 year olds.

Calvin Ridley 40 time among notable numbers from Alabama spring testing | AL.com

Our boy Calvin is old enough to buy beer.

 

[PANDFAN]

The assistant strength and conditioning coach, hired from Michigan last year, incorporates that approach at ND.

Interesting, with the exception of Elijah Shumate, all the ND participants at the Combine that ran, ran in the top 25 percentile for their position group, with two among the fastest fifteen times recorded.

If my memory is correct....He actually has already left and is in the nfl as a. Strength coach

 

[irishtrain]

So you guys are just kidding here right---you really don't think these schools have some magic way of strength training that someone at Notre Dame doesn't know about---sounds like bull&^%$ to me. If they are doing insane physio numbers it not because they are better at strength training its because------

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

So you guys are just kidding here right---you really don't think these schools have some magic way of strength training that someone at Notre Dame doesn't know about---sounds like bull&^%$ to me. If they are doing insane physio numbers it not because they are better at strength training its because------

Deer antlers?

 

[ulukinatme]

Scott Cochran's man juice contains super powers that Alabama is exploiting?

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“We are the healthiest team in America” - Kelly on injuries</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/790956863579971585">October 25, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So here's the problem. ND's only good when Longo lets them get injured by the dozen. Hopefully someone tweaks an ankle on the opening kick off.

 

[Irish#1]

Scott Cochran's man juice contains super powers that Alabama is exploiting?

I was watching some of the Bama A&M game and Bama looked so much bigger at every position.

 

[ulukinatme]

I was watching some of the Bama A&M game and Bama looked so much bigger at every position.

They did in the 2012 national championship game. Like men playing against boys. Something in the water down there.

 

[koonja]

I'm amazed that I had the forsight to see this over 3 years ago. I will not stop patting my back. Does anyone want their palm read?

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm amazed that I had the forsight to see this over 3 years ago. I will not stop patting my back. Does anyone want their palm read?

Has the point been conceded? I think some are on board, but not all of us. I think the only thing we can all agree on is Alabama's S&C is second to none and they make just about everyone they play against look like ants.

 

[bluengold4732]

It's because they are. They've been the biggest and most physically imposing team since 2011. Part of it is because they have the best S&C program in football and the other part is they get kids who are already physically developed beyond their years. Most of the guys on the team already looked like grown men before they even got to Tuscaloosa. Look at Najee Harris, Dylan Moses, Alex Leatherwood in their class. Guys like Lyndel Wilson, Ben Davis, Raekwon Davis, Terrell Hall in last year's class. Hell even Henry and Scarborough in high school all looked like JUCO transfers not high school kids.

 

[koonja]

Has the point been conceded? I think some are on board, but not all of us. I think the only thing we can all agree on is Alabama's S&C is second to none and they make just about everyone they play against look like ants.

I posted this in some other thread, all 3 ND podcasts, BGI, ISD, and Irish Illustrated, have conceded in the past 3 weeks that our S/C program sucks and needs a change. They have stated that publicly in their recent podcasts.

IDK who else you can ask. Most of the board probably agrees, and those that don't just don't want to see it. Our team as a whole doesn't seem to get better as the go from freshman to sophomores, to juniors, etc. And we recruit better than teams that push us around.

We are soft, and that starts in the winter in the weight room.

 

[ACamp1900]

Has the point been conceded? I think some are on board, but not all of us. I think the only thing we can all agree on is Alabama's S&C is second to none and they make just about everyone they play against look like ants.

Steroids and Chemicals???

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I posted this in some other thread, all 3 ND podcasts, BGI, ISD, and Irish Illustrated, have conceded in the past 3 weeks that our S/C program sucks and needs a change. They have stated that publicly in their recent podcasts.

IDK who else you can ask. Most of the board probably agrees, and those that don't just don't want to see it. Our team as a whole doesn't seem to get better as the go from freshman to sophomores, to juniors, etc. And we recruit better than teams that push us around.

We are soft, and that starts in the winter in the weight room.

I'd venture to guess most people know even less about Physical Preparation than they do about Football. What is your expertise in the field? Do you have any experience at all training anyone? Just because you've been beating the same drum doesn't make you or any of those "experts" right.

 

[koonja]

I'd venture to guess most people know even less about Physical Preparation than they do about Football. What is your expertise in the field? Do you have any experience at all training anyone? Just because you've been beating the same drum doesn't make you or any of those "experts" right.

None, but I can tell when a team is dogging it physically, especially when they recruit very well. I see it every Saturday on NBC.

I don't have a record album out (yet), but I know 'We' from the Voice has it. Talent is apparent, you don't have to have a grad degree in a specific field to see it, or the lack of.

 

[ulukinatme]

I posted this in some other thread, all 3 ND podcasts, BGI, ISD, and Irish Illustrated, have conceded in the past 3 weeks that our S/C program sucks and needs a change. They have stated that publicly in their recent podcasts.

IDK who else you can ask. Most of the board probably agrees, and those that don't just don't want to see it. Our team as a whole doesn't seem to get better as the go from freshman to sophomores, to juniors, etc. And we recruit better than teams that push us around.

We are soft, and that starts in the winter in the weight room.

It's also been pointed out that some kids fail to follow the guidelines, diet, and workout regimen that's created for them. Other players have followed it and developed leaps and bounds (I think Will's increase in speed being one example). I'm not some big Longo supporter, but I can see where some kids don't have the time or have failed to buy into the program and aren't seeing the results we'd like to see. The fact remains that many players gain healthy weight over the course of their career at ND, we hear about it every Spring. It's bullshit to say the team doesn't get better. I'm not saying we can't improve, I think this is just more exaggerated negativity.

 

[koonja]

It's also been pointed out that some kids fail to follow the guidelines, diet, and workout regimen that's created for them. Other players have followed it and developed leaps and bounds (I think Will's increase in speed being one example). I'm not some big Longo supporter, but I can see where some kids don't have the time or have failed to buy into the program and aren't seeing the results we'd like to see. The fact remains that many players gain healthy weight over the course of their career at ND, we hear about it every Spring. It's bullshit to say the team doesn't get better.

Does Rochelle look significantly different to you than he did as a sophomore? How about James Onowala? Jarron Jones*? What about Greer Martini who looked a little better last year? Cole Luke's best year was freshman/sophomore. What about Max Redfield, Drue Tranquill*, or Trumbetti, who's gotten worse every year?

I'm still on one side of the ball...

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I'd venture to guess most people know even less about Physical Preparation than they do about Football. What is your expertise in the field? Do you have any experience at all training anyone? Just because you've been beating the same drum doesn't make you or any of those "experts" right.

I'm with you. Do we know what alley Longo even tends to travel most? I've seen some clips of some hideous execution of some of the oly lifts but he'll have them bench with chains which of course is more the conjugate or 'westside' method. Seems like a mishmash disaster.

But we aren't in there. After watching ' A season with' last year, I have a real hard time believing that neither Cochran (Bama) nor Mickey (OSU) could turn Jerry Tillery into a beast. Dude just seems soft to me. Talented? absolutely but not a 'tough' guy. Iron Sharpens Iron.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I'm with you. Do we know what alley Longo even tends to travel most? I've seen some clips of some hideous execution of some of the oly lifts but he'll have them bench with chains which of course is more the conjugate or 'westside' method. Seems like a mishmash disaster.

But we aren't in there. After watching ' A season with' last year, I have a real hard time believing that neither Cochran (Bama) nor Mickey (OSU) could turn Jerry Tillery into a beast. Dude just seems soft to me. Talented? absolutely but not a 'tough' guy. Iron Sharpens Iron.

Agreed. He seems to have more of a speed based approach based on what I've seen, but I'm not sure what phase they are in when it's filmed. Oly hang partials, speed bench and squats etc. in my opinion he tries to match Kelly's preferred style of play. I said this last week, I think we have some misplaced styles this far into his tenure. Let this team play north south and blow off the ball, and let the damn athletes play fast. ND doesn't lack athletes. I'll send you a pm about one of my friends opinion is on a Cochran. This guy is one of the best strength coaches in the country (definitely NOT Cochran) and isn't a fan.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Koon deserves to be in this list:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20682_5-crazy-people-who-were-right-all-along.html

 

[koonja]

Longo, safest job in America, 25 years running:

 

[FDNYIrish1]

None, but I can tell when a team is dogging it physically, especially when they recruit very well. I see it every Saturday on NBC.

I don't have a record album out (yet), but I know 'We' from the Voice has it. Talent is apparent, you don't have to have a grad degree in a specific field to see it, or the lack of.

So you know nothing about either singing or training. Good to know. You can see a team physically dogging it, huh? Tell us exactly what you think should be done differently. Specifics please. Tell me what is being done wrong in your expert opinion and what should be done to change it. From a programming to training principles and philosophy. I mean, you should know this from watching the Voice

 

[ulukinatme]

Does Rochelle look significantly different to you than he did as a sophomore? How about James Onowala? Jarron Jones*? What about Greer Martini who looked a little better last year? Cole Luke's best year was freshman/sophomore. What about Max Redfield, Drue Tranquill*, or Trumbetti, who's gotten worse every year?

I'm still on one side of the ball...

You're comparing on field production directly to S&C results. The two aren't always hand in hand. There are plenty of other factors that come into play, like technique, defensive playcalling, motivation, each player playing their position, and a variety of other factors. For starters, guys like Luke benefitted from having players like Riggs and Russell when he was a Frosh/Sophomore. Luke wasn't often guarding the #1 receiver on the opposition in his early years, Russell looked phenomenal too when Bennett Jackson played opposite him. Bottom line, it's hard to play Corner in this defense.

Likewise because of our transition from the 3-4 to the 4-3 we've been playing Rochelle typically as a DE which is like a round peg in a square hole. He was built to eat up blockers in the 3-4, not pass rush. Is he still successful at times? Yeah, but the dude is close to 300 pounds, roughly 30-40 lbs heavier than most other players at his position. It's pretty hard to ask him for a fast pass rush off the edge at his size.

Max was on your bod squad, not sure what you're trying to prove there. He never lived up to his potential, and any issues he had didn't stem from S&C, they were entirely mental or motivational. He struggled to tackle well, which was technique, and he struggled to learn his position. How is that Longo's fault? Can we blame Longo for Jarron and Drue's injuries? Ligaments can just tear, you can only do so much for them aside from strengthening the surrounding muscles. Sometimes players are just injury prone. What is the issue with Onwualu? He's already tied his tackle numbers from last year, so his production is up.

I'm not going to continue, you're barking up the wrong tree with your argument.

 

[bluengold4732]

Obviously Mickey Marotti was doing it wrong when he was here during the Davie/Willingham era because those were some of the softest ND teams I've seen. Genetics are the most important factor in building physique more so than training or diet. Aside from PEDs eventually people reach their physical peak. You don't keep getting bigger, faster, and stronger the more you workout you just begin to sustain what you have already developed. Guys like Luke, Tranquill, Rochell have all peaked physically. Sometimes you get guys like Jaylon, K.Russell, and Nyles Morgan who are able to transform physically and get bigger while keeping their speed or getting faster but like I said that's more of a genetic thing than training. Fuller did the same McGlinchey, Nelson, Prosise all improved athletically as did others. Prosise is a good example of genetics playing a role in performance and physique. Physically he had very little cut and definition or bulk compared to the late Greg Bryant (R.I.P.) but he was faster and stronger than Greg beside the fact GB looked like he lived in a weight room. Same with Bilal and Jaylon. Very similar build coming out of high school almost exact same measures 6'2 215-218. They go through the same workout routine probably have similar diets and although Bilal look the part he won't be as physically gifted or look as imposing next year as Jaylon did last year. If you look at combine results in the 40 and bench press the last few years ND guys tend to test in the top 10 at their position which is a good sign. I'll also add that the team being soft is more due to a mind set than their physical abilities. Look at chihuahuas haha they're feisty little bastard haha. Then you have expressions like Big Friendly Giant and Napoleon complex. Sorry for the loooong ass post. Time to get ready for the Cubbies

 

[IrishSteelhead]

We are slow, Longo must go?

Longo, safest job in America, 25 years running:

LOL.

Koon, what book is Longo reading there?

 

[gkIrish]

I posted this in some other thread, all 3 ND podcasts, BGI, ISD, and Irish Illustrated, have conceded in the past 3 weeks that our S/C program sucks and needs a change. They have stated that publicly in their recent podcasts.

IDK who else you can ask. Most of the board probably agrees, and those that don't just don't want to see it. Our team as a whole doesn't seem to get better as the go from freshman to sophomores, to juniors, etc. And we recruit better than teams that push us around.

We are soft, and that starts in the winter in the weight room.

Some people are just morally opposed to firing someone. Baffles me.

 

[Rocket89]

Obviously Mickey Marotti was doing it wrong when he was here during the Davie/Willingham era because those were some of the softest ND teams I've seen. Genetics are the most important factor in building physique more so than training or diet. Aside from PEDs eventually people reach their physical peak. You don't keep getting bigger, faster, and stronger the more you workout you just begin to sustain what you have already developed. Guys like Luke, Tranquill, Rochell have all peaked physically. Sometimes you get guys like Jaylon, K.Russell, and Nyles Morgan who are able to transform physically and get bigger while keeping their speed or getting faster but like I said that's more of a genetic thing than training. Fuller did the same McGlinchey, Nelson, Prosise all improved athletically as did others. Prosise is a good example of genetics playing a role in performance and physique. Physically he had very little cut and definition or bulk compared to the late Greg Bryant (R.I.P.) but he was faster and stronger than Greg beside the fact GB looked like he lived in a weight room. Same with Bilal and Jaylon. Very similar build coming out of high school almost exact same measures 6'2 215-218. They go through the same workout routine probably have similar diets and although Bilal look the part he won't be as physically gifted or look as imposing next year as Jaylon did last year. If you look at combine results in the 40 and bench press the last few years ND guys tend to test in the top 10 at their position which is a good sign. I'll also add that the team being soft is more due to a mind set than their physical abilities. Look at chihuahuas haha they're feisty little bastard haha. Then you have expressions like Big Friendly Giant and Napoleon complex. Sorry for the loooong ass post. Time to get ready for the Cubbies

The bolded part is worth a chuckle, thanks.

The really funny thing is S&C is one of things fans know the least about, on the whole throughout the entire program, and yet you'll find opinions about it as loud as anything else. It's pretty difficult to make those two ends meet.

There's also a tried and tested method at Notre Dame--stretching back years and years--that sees S&C criticism increase with the number of losses. It's probably no different at any other school. In most cases, it's pretty shallow and reactionary criticism.