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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y sources: Ole Miss receives Notice of Allegations alleging dozens of violations in multiple sports, incl. football <a href="https://t.co/EflizgUkE7">https://t.co/EflizgUkE7</a></p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/693157669562093568">January 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y sources: Ole Miss receives Notice of Allegations alleging dozens of violations in multiple sports, incl. football <a href="https://t.co/EflizgUkE7">https://t.co/EflizgUkE7</a></p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/693157669562093568">January 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I'm shocked--shocked I say!!
 

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Ole Miss (rightfully) going to burn. Still remember laughing so hard when Hugh Freeze a few years ago challenged anyone with "evidence" to report it or shut up... those kinds of declarations never, ever work out lol...

30 violations... goodness...
 
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Never forget watching Ole Miss war room coverage in '13 and saying Tunsil, Nkemdiche, Treadwell and Conner would all be in the '16 draft and the only question is... would they get busted over these 4 before they left or after. Ended up a tie of sorts.
 

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Never forget watching Ole Miss war room coverage in '13 and saying Tunsil, Nkemdiche, Treadwell and Conner would all be in the '16 draft and the only question is... would they get busted over these 4 before they left or after. Ended up a tie of sorts.

It was like watching the movie blue chips.
 

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Never forget watching Ole Miss war room coverage in '13 and saying Tunsil, Nkemdiche, Treadwell and Conner would all be in the '16 draft and the only question is... would they get busted over these 4 before they left or after. Ended up a tie of sorts.

Not a person in the country outside the Ole Miss fan base saw that and didn't know how they pulled it off. It was like watching the ugliest guy in the bar walk out with two 10's on each arm. You knew some money was exchanging hands.
 

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Never forget watching Ole Miss war room coverage in '13 and saying Tunsil, Nkemdiche, Treadwell and Conner would all be in the '16 draft and the only question is... would they get busted over these 4 before they left or after. Ended up a tie of sorts.

I wouldn't include Conner in the list. He lived right down the street from the school and was going there any way. The other three... laid, paid, and saved as they say.
 

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sad... it was fun seeing the Mississippi teams challenge each other and some of the other teams in the West.

I guess now that conference schedule won't mean as much from a SOS perspective....
 

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sad... it was fun seeing the Mississippi teams challenge each other and some of the other teams in the West.

I guess now that conference schedule won't mean as much from a SOS perspective....

From what I have read, most of the issues doesn't involve the football team and what is was during the H. Nutt era. I doubt much comes from it... unless they have more on Tunsil than what has already been reported.
 

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From what I have read, most of the issues doesn't involve the football team and what is was during the H. Nutt era. I doubt much comes from it... unless they have more on Tunsil than what has already been reported.

Thanks 3T. I didn't read the article yet, just assumed because of the "burn" comment. Even if they had them dead to rights, it will take 10 years to investigate, and then nothing will come of it. :)
 

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Thanks 3T. I didn't read the article yet, just assumed because of the "burn" comment. Even if they had them dead to rights, it will take 10 years to investigate, and then nothing will come of it. :)

Never know. The former coach who just got busted in La for setting kids up taking the ACT was at Ole Miss around then. Maybe the NCAA can make the case he did the same while at Ole Miss.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Deuteronomy 31:6. <a href="https://t.co/l3C7aVKMNm">pic.twitter.com/l3C7aVKMNm</a></p>— Riley cole (@Rileyc44) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rileyc44/status/693869705275248640">January 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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That time of year...
 

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Ha, Saban pulled a Harbaugh!

I was just coming here to post that.

Five days before NSD, and you're asking the kid to gray shirt? That means Bama finally got good news on one or two of their remaining targets. Dirty sh*t.
 

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It's funny how the Bama board was talking about if Robertson pushes past NSD that they might not have room. I find it funny that guys that follow recruiting as closely as you'd think their board members do, don't realize that there is always a way.
 

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Ha, Saban pulled a Harbaugh!

I was just coming here to post that.

Five days before NSD, and you're asking the kid to gray shirt? That means Bama finally got good news on one or two of their remaining targets. Dirty sh*t.

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With Riley Cole opting to decommit rather than grayshirt, Alabama now has three 3* players left who have verballed to them. All and Cole recently made their OV to Alabama. (face-to-face discussions?)

Brendan Scales, TE (Mo) has visited Missouri.
Tyler Simmons, WR (Ga) and OV'd to Ga and Miami
Joshua Perry, S (La) has not officially visited elsewhere but made mulitple unofficials to LSU and has an offer from them. He has also talked Ole Miss and Clemson in the past but is "100% committed"

Simmons committed Jan 2, but has made his other OVs elsewhere after the commitment.

Replacements?
TE - Irv Smith
WR - Mykel Jones
S - Nigel Warrior

B.J. Emmons, RB is retaking his ACT to qualify. Alabama recently hosted RBs Robert Washington and Joshua Jacobs.
 
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Ha, Saban pulled a Harbaugh!

I was just coming here to post that.

Five days before NSD, and you're asking the kid to gray shirt? That means Bama finally got good news on one or two of their remaining targets. Dirty sh*t.


Far from a Harbaugh. Cole was told the day he committed he would likely be asked to wait a semester and greyshirt. The staff has been in constant contact with him and he has visited several times since his initial commitment. Cole knew exactly where he stood. And his scholly wasn't pulled... he was asked to wait a semester. Harbaugh, on the other hand, takes commitments from kids, recruits around them, then just stops contacting them altogether. When the players finally inquire, they are told they no longer have a slot. Big difference.
 

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Far from a Harbaugh. Cole was told the day he committed he would likely be asked to wait a semester and greyshirt. The staff has been in constant contact with him and he has visited several times since his initial commitment. Cole knew exactly where he stood. And his scholly wasn't pulled... he was asked to wait a semester. Harbaugh, on the other hand, takes commitments from kids, recruits around them, then just stops contacting them altogether. When the players finally inquire, they are told they no longer have a slot. Big difference.

I don't know the specifics of Cole's recruitment, but would take 3T's word on it.

I agree with all points comparing the two though.

Eight of Harbaugh's first fourteen verbal commitments have "decommitted". (Two of those had season-ending injuries.) Three recruits enrolled at Michigan in January. Unless you get early enrollment with Harbaugh, a summer commitment to Harbaugh is totally on your part with a huge red flag when they stop communicating with you.

Of the few decommitments to Saban, all but Eddie Pineiro (K) were 4* recruits and decommitted to explore their options. Cole was an in-state recruit very much like Christian Bell, who grayshirted last year, and counts towards this year's class. Bell was Saban's second grayshirt in his last five classes. Both had scholarships the following January.

Harbaugh seems to manage his recruits as if they are undrafted free agents to his professional team. They have to demonstrate they are better than anyone else he may get a commitment from before NSD. He does not seem to be upfront with that.

Big difference.
 
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Far from a Harbaugh. Cole was told the day he committed he would likely be asked to wait a semester and greyshirt. The staff has been in constant contact with him and he has visited several times since his initial commitment. Cole knew exactly where he stood. And his scholly wasn't pulled... he was asked to wait a semester. Harbaugh, on the other hand, takes commitments from kids, recruits around them, then just stops contacting them altogether. When the players finally inquire, they are told they no longer have a slot. Big difference.

The kid said that Bama wasn't being clear on whether or not he needed to gray shirt. So is that just smoke and mirrors because he didn't do his own due diligence?

Or is it more likely that Bama was trying to "keep the door open" by not giving him a straight answer, in case NSD doesn't go exactly as they hope?
 

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Ha, Saban pulled a Harbaugh!

I was just coming here to post that.

Five days before NSD, and you're asking the kid to gray shirt? That means Bama finally got good news on one or two of their remaining targets. Dirty sh*t.

Saban pulled a Harbaugh? Lol. Saban practically invented that shit. Harbaugh just following his lead.

Saban just pulled a Saban.

Nobody says shit when he does stuff like this because all he does is win titles.
 

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I've created negative responses from both the scUM fan and the Bama fan.

I must be doing something right.
 

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Far from a Harbaugh. Cole was told the day he committed he would likely be asked to wait a semester and greyshirt. The staff has been in constant contact with him and he has visited several times since his initial commitment. Cole knew exactly where he stood. And his scholly wasn't pulled... he was asked to wait a semester. Harbaugh, on the other hand, takes commitments from kids, recruits around them, then just stops contacting them altogether. When the players finally inquire, they are told they no longer have a slot. Big difference.

Quick question...has anyone ever checked back on the grey shirts to see if they did end up at their grey shirt committed school? What sort of percentage?
 

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Saban pulled a Harbaugh? Lol. Saban practically invented that shit. Harbaugh just following his lead.

Saban just pulled a Saban.

Nobody says shit when he does stuff like this because all he does is win titles.

Soooo, Saban is a ****burger for doing that, but Harbs is OK because he is just doing what the NC caliber teams are doing?
 

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The kid said that Bama wasn't being clear on whether or not he needed to gray shirt. So is that just smoke and mirrors because he didn't do his own due diligence?

Or is it more likely that Bama was trying to "keep the door open" by not giving him a straight answer, in case NSD doesn't go exactly as they hope?

He was told when his commitment was accepted that he could be a potential candidate for a greyshirt depending on the class and who may or may not commit later. I was actually a little surprised myself that he was asked this late to greyshirt. I had posted in another thread that I didn't think Bama was trending in the positive just late last week and thought he would count in this class. Either Bama has a lot of silent commits or they are extremely confident with their remaining targets to go ahead and ask Cole to greyshirt. He received an offer from Oklahoma so maybe he moves on. If not, I think he can be a Dillon Lee type guy for us down the road.
 

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Quick question...has anyone ever checked back on the grey shirts to see if they did end up at their grey shirt committed school? What sort of percentage?

Haven't really done a study on it but I would think the Bama grey shirts still attending is pretty high. Don't know about other schools though.
 

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Soooo, Saban is a ****burger for doing that, but Harbs is OK because he is just doing what the NC caliber teams are doing?

where did I say that?

I don't like either of them doing it, but hey it's part of the game unfortunately.

Nick Saban and Jim Harbaugh aren't saints. They are football coaches. They get paid $6 and $8 million a year respectively to win football games. Part of building and maintaining winners is getting the kids who they deem best fit their programs. At the end of the day it's on them if they aren't winning. They'll be the ones with their asses on the chopping block and in the unemployment line if they don't win. They are paid ridiculous sums of money to win ball games. Period.
 

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where did I say that?

I don't like either of them doing it, but hey it's part of the game unfortunately.

Nick Saban and Jim Harbaugh aren't saints. They are football coaches. They get paid $6 and $8 million a year respectively to win football games. Part of building and maintaining winners is getting the kids who they deem best fit their programs. At the end of the day it's on them if they aren't winning. They'll be the ones with their asses on the chopping block and in the unemployment line if they don't win. They are paid ridiculous sums of money to win ball games. Period.


Either of them doing it? Give me a break.

Saban hasn't come close to "doing it" in his era at Bama as Harbaugh has done in one recruiting class at meatchicken. Harbaugh is writing checks his ass can't cash. Don't associate Saban and recruiting with the BS your coach has pulled this cycle.
 

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where did I say that?

I don't like either of them doing it, but hey it's part of the game unfortunately.

Nick Saban and Jim Harbaugh aren't saints. They are football coaches. They get paid $6 and $8 million a year respectively to win football games. Part of building and maintaining winners is getting the kids who they deem best fit their programs. At the end of the day it's on them if they aren't winning. They'll be the ones with their asses on the chopping block and in the unemployment line if they don't win. They are paid ridiculous sums of money to win ball games. Period.

This is the part that I fear. Half of Michigan fans are enthusiastic about the recruiting tactics that Harbaugh is using. The other half are against it, but they silently accept it and tell themselves that "that's just the way things are".

If enough coaches start using these tactics, then one day the ND fanbase will be faced with the same dilemma. I'm afraid far to many ND fans would cop out and say "that's just part of the game"

When you first started posting about Harbaugh's tactics, you seemed to be more strongly against them then what you are now. Now, it's just part of the game.
 

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Quick question...has anyone ever checked back on the grey shirts to see if they did end up at their grey shirt committed school? What sort of percentage?

Everyone that has accepted a grayshirt uber Saban has enrolled the following January.

He has only done this twice in the last five recruiting classes (Hill (2012), Bell (2015)). Bozeman in '13 accepted a grayshirt, but a scholarship opened up before fall.

So you have to go back to 2007-10 for more.
2007 - Murphy
2008 - Preyear
2009 - Orr, McKeller, Smith
2010 - Carswell, Love, Orr

Petey Smith was dismissed in Feb.
Darius McKeller suffered a wrist injury in March, was put on a med scholarship after multiple surgeries but transferred to S. Ala

All enrolled in Jan
 
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This is the part that I fear. Half of Michigan fans are enthusiastic about the recruiting tactics that Harbaugh is using. The other half are against it, but they silently accept it and tell themselves that "that's just the way things are".

If enough coaches start using these tactics, then one day the ND fanbase will be faced with the same dilemma. I'm afraid far to many ND fans would cop out and say "that's just part of the game"

When you first started posting about Harbaugh's tactics, you seemed to be more strongly against them then what you are now. Now, it's just part of the game.

What am I or any fan going to do that will change them? Nothing. All you can do is accept them and move on.

Why get all hot and bothered over things you can't change?

As long as Harbaugh isn't delivering bags of cash to players Ole Miss style and breaking NCAA rules, he can pretty much do whatever he pleases.

And if he keeps winning 10+ games every year, he'll really be able to do whatever the hell he wants. You think the AD or school will stop him? Ha. No. Because if he's turning Michigan into a serious winner they are going to rake in the $$$$$$.

It got so bad under Hoke that people weren't renewing their season tickets and Dave Brandon was having to give away tickets to a game for a bottle of Coke.

After Carr retired, Rodriguez had 3 years of hell, Hoke came in had a fluke season then 3 years of hell. Harbaugh came in year one and turned it around from 5-7 to 10-3.

Michigan has had only two 10 or more win seasons in the last 9 years. The other 7? They had a 9 win season with an embarrassing loss to App State in Carr's final year, and the other 6 were pretty much disasters under Hoke and Rodriguez.

You think the want another decade in the wilderness? I doubt it. They are going to shut the hell up and let Harbaugh do as he pleases and they are going to like it. That's just the way it is unfortunately.
 
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