Quarterback Controversy 2016

[Irish Insanity]

Kizer needs to figure out how to channel how he plays with his back against the wall. He needs that all the time, no matter the situation.

 

[bkess8]

Said it before, I'll say it again.

Wimbush should be given a bunch of the first team reps. Easily the most talent on the team.

Couldn't agree with this more. Definitely deserves to have his name in the hat but it will be the hardest to pull out when the season starts.

I would like to think that we go with Kizer just for the simple fact that he is our most experienced going into next season, but I will be happy with any of the 3. They all give us a good chance to win!

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Do we know if Wimbush took too many snaps this year to still be considered a redshirt?

 

[wizards8507]

Do we know if Wimbush took too many snaps this year to still be considered a redshirt?

One snap burns your redshirt unless you're granted a medical waiver.

 

[EvilleIrish]

One snap burns your redshirt unless you're granted a medical waiver.

You would have to assume that the plan is to redshirt him next year.

 

[BobbyMac]

Every QB on this team has a plus arm so the ability to throw deep is going to be low on deciding who is #1. I don't think skill set is going to have anything to do with it. It's going to come down to mental make up and leadership.

What I'm going to say is my opinion based on what I've observed over New Years in AZ and over the season in general. You may question it and that's fine.

Malik will be the starter next year. Not only that, he's been the starter all year, he's just been injured. It's always been his team. He is the real captain of this team. He is the #1 alpha dog on this team. You can tell how other players interact with him, you can tell how other important players' parents interact with him. You can tell how he owns the room when they are all there. In a room full of mobsters, he's Brando.

I'd always had that opinion from my limited ability to look behind the curtain and I'd somewhat shared it in some threads. After experiencing it at length, face to face, there is zero doubt in my mind he is the starter next year. His rehab is ahead of schedule, they expect him to be 100%.

There will be an open competition for the job in '16 as it should be for every position. Everyday is a battle for your spot in sports. Remember, Wally Pipp was the All Star first baseman for the Yankees until he wasn't.

On to '16.

 

[BeauBenken]

One snap burns your redshirt unless you're granted a medical waiver.

Thought there was a set time that you could still redshirt a player. Something like first 4 games of the season and under so many snaps.

He definitely didn't get redshirted this year however.

 

[BGIF]

Thought there was a set time that you could still redshirt a player. Something like first 4 games of the season and under so many snaps.

One snap unless you're granted a medical waiver.

 

[Blaise]

People want Wimbush to redshirt but what this off season has taught us is that players who are NFL talent will go pro when they get a chance to.. Redshirting Wimbush prob only means he starts one year for us before turning pro...

 

[T Town Tommy]

People want Wimbush to redshirt but what this off season has taught us is that players who are NFL talent will go pro when they get a chance to.. Redshirting Wimbush prob only means he starts one year for us before turning pro...

I think you put the best players on the field and let them go play. If Wimbush could have contributed at another position this season, he should have been playing it. I understand he was thrust in to the backup role at QB when MZ went down, but I also think you can't coach worried about potential injuries. That mindset works it's way down to players and before you know it the players are thinking about getting injured and that can change how they react on the field leading to actual injuries.

 

[rocket66]

Before the game I felt Kizer had a real opportunity to lock up the job for '16, but now I think it's a guaranteed competition and I'm even leaning towards Zaire at this point. For all of the talking and confidence that Kizer put out there I was just disappointed in his output against OSU. He missed a few really nice opportunities downfield along with the one-hop passes that plagued him early in the season. There were just too many turnovers towards the end of the season and that might just be the sole reason why BK could favor Zaire going forward.


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[ulukinatme]

We need help in the redzone, Kizer struggled in that area a bit. That's where Zaire would be more beneficial, he's a bit quicker on his feet (Not that Kizer hasn't been able to run the ball when needed). There will absolutely be a competition in the spring and into the fall possibly, but I hope Kelly finds a way to use both. Kizer would work well on long passes possibly, while Zaire would work the redzone. With Will Fuller departing that may greatly affect who the QB is for next year. We are losing our ability to stretch the defense a bit, and Fuller was a big outlet for Kizer.

 

[Dizzyphil]

for those interested

Irish stats in the Red Zone the past eight years:

Games Att Scores Score % TD TD % FG FG %
2015 - 13 53 43 81.13 31 58.49 12 22.64
2014 – 13 62 50 80.65 40 64.52 10 16.13
2013 – 13 45 36 80.00 24 53.33 12 26.67
2012 - 13 60 48 80.00 29 48.33 19 31.67
2011 - 13 48 37 77.08 32 66.67 5 10.42
2010 - 13 46 38 82.61 26 56.52 12 26.09
2009 - 12 50 42 84.00 28 56.00 14 28.00
2008 - 13 44 31 70.45 23 52.27 8 18.18

 

[Irish Insanity]

for those interested

Irish stats in the Red Zone the past eight years:

Games Att Scores Score % TD TD % FG FG %
2015 - 13 53 43 81.13 31 58.49 12 22.64
2014 – 13 62 50 80.65 40 64.52 10 16.13
2013 – 13 45 36 80.00 24 53.33 12 26.67
2012 - 13 60 48 80.00 29 48.33 19 31.67
2011 - 13 48 37 77.08 32 66.67 5 10.42
2010 - 13 46 38 82.61 26 56.52 12 26.09
2009 - 12 50 42 84.00 28 56.00 14 28.00
2008 - 13 44 31 70.45 23 52.27 8 18.18

It would be nice to see what our turnovers in the redzone were over that period as well.

 

[Dizzyphil]

It would be nice to see what our turnovers in the redzone were over that period as well.

Let me see what I can find..... stay tuned

 

[fightingirish26]

I think that the team has a higher upside with zaire at the helm, so I could see malik getting the job to begin the year and then seeing where that takes us with one or two capable backups.

 

[Dizzyphil]

It would be nice to see what our turnovers in the redzone were over that period as well.

Well, couldn't find any results but, if you look year-by-year, there are only 4 items that can be outside of TD and FG which are turnover, turnover on downs, missed FG, or Time Expire; unless someone can think of something else that can factor.

This past year, 10 times no points out of 53 trips. Yoon was 12/13 in FG between 0-39 yards. But this does not include being in the red zone and then being pushed out of the red zone for a penalty or loss of yards, etc.

Sorry I couldn't find anything else.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Well, couldn't find any results but, if you look year-by-year, there are only 4 items that can be outside of TD and FG which are turnover, turnover on downs, missed FG, or Time Expire; unless someone can think of something else that can factor.

This past year, 10 times no points out of 53 trips. Yoon was 12/13 in FG between 0-39 yards. But this does not include being in the red zone and then being pushed out of the red zone for a penalty or loss of yards, etc.

Sorry I couldn't find anything else.

Don't be sorry. Thanks for looking. I was surprised by our numbers in the RZ this year.

 

[NDRock]

Listened to Mike Frank's podcast today and he talked about how one of the QBs is much more liked by his teammates than the other (Kizer vs. Malik). I assume Malik is the more popular one, seems obvious to me. Do you think this will or should affect Kelly's decision, all things being equal? If this is the case, I think I would rather see Malik get the nod.

 

[tko]

"much more liked?" That seems off to me. Maybe players felt Kizer got too cocky? He seems like a very humble kid with proper perspective and a true team guy. Malik seems the exact same way. He's confident and cares deeply about the team. This isn't a Jimmy Clausen/Sharpley situation, my Lord.

 

[connor_in]

Well, couldn't find any results but, if you look year-by-year, there are only 4 items that can be outside of TD and FG which are turnover, turnover on downs, missed FG, or Time Expire; unless someone can think of something else that can factor.

This past year, 10 times no points out of 53 trips. Yoon was 12/13 in FG between 0-39 yards. But this does not include being in the red zone and then being pushed out of the red zone for a penalty or loss of yards, etc.

Sorry I couldn't find anything else.

Safety

 

[BobbyMac]

Listened to Mike Frank's podcast today and he talked about how one of the QBs is much more liked by his teammates than the other (Kizer vs. Malik). I assume Malik is the more popular one, seems obvious to me. Do you think this will or should affect Kelly's decision, all things being equal? If this is the case, I think I would rather see Malik get the nod.

"much more liked?" That seems off to me. Maybe players felt Kizer got too cocky? He seems like a very humble kid with proper perspective and a true team guy. Malik seems the exact same way. He's confident and cares deeply about the team. This isn't a Jimmy Clausen/Sharpley situation, my Lord.

I don't think it's a like vs dislike situation... but more they prefer one over the other.

It's obvious who owns the locker room and the program for that matter. Some have said Joe didn't have the full respect of the locker room, that's not to say they disliked him or thought he was a douche. They just would have responded better to Jaylon if he was the one doing the yelling.

If you want that Ray Lewis pre game speech, that's Malik. I got the feeling from everybody that Kizer was simply holding down the fort till Malik was healthy.

 

[NDRock]

I don't think it's a like vs dislike situation... but more they prefer one over the other.

It's obvious who owns the locker room and the program for that matter. Some have said Joe didn't have the full respect of the locker room, that's not to say they disliked him or thought he was a douche. They just would have responded better to Jaylon if he was the one doing the yelling.

If you want that Ray Lewis pre game speech, that's Malik. I got the feeling from everybody that Kizer was simply holding down the fort till Malik was healthy.

That's pretty much how Mike put it. Do you think the team "preferring" one over the other will or should have an impact on who Kelly chooses? Obviously it shouldn't be the main factor but I could see it playing a role. Gonna be a long offseason.

 

[BobbyMac]

That's pretty much how Mike put it. Do you think the team "preferring" one over the other will or should have an impact on who Kelly chooses? Obviously it shouldn't be the main factor but I could see it playing a role. Gonna be a long offseason.

It will matter to Kelly because players are going to perform for the QB they prefer... the guy who owns the locker room. If Everybody hated Golson last year and he went 14-0, he would have been the starter again this year.

Barring injury, I'd bet the farm on Malik running the show next year.

 

[Irish Insanity]

It's a long offseason. Shit always seems to happen. Let's wait until spring and have this discussion.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm sure the players don't dislike Kizer, but they may prefer Zaire between the two. You can tell he plays with a lot of heart and passion, not that Kizer doesn't have those traits, he's just not the same vocal leader.

 

[tko]

It's a long offseason. Shit always seems to happen. Let's wait until spring and have this discussion.

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Great idea!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

None of this shit matters. You want the best QB on the field, regardless if he's inspirational or motivational. Each player should go out there and hope to win with the 11 on the field.

We get into the soap opera but the player who puts us in the best position to win is the one who'll be under center (or taking the shotgun snaps).

 

[pkt77242]

None of this shit matters. You want the best QB on the field, regardless if he's inspirational or motivational. Each player should go out there and hope to win with the 11 on the field.

We get into the soap opera but the player who puts us in the best position to win is the one who'll be under center (or taking the shotgun snaps).

Kind of. It matters if they are about equal. I agree that if one is definitively better than the other it doesn't matter but if they are very close to equal, then it probably does matter.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Kind of. It matters if they are about equal. I agree that if one is definitively better than the other it doesn't matter but if they are very close to equal, then it probably does matter.

This.

If they are near equal and the team responds better to one and he makes his skill positions better, he has a leg up on the other.