College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[ACamp1900]

I'm 35, I became a huge ND lifer in 89 and vividly remember those ND teams...

 

[IrishLion]

What does it mean if I think that Big 12 football is an abomination before the Lord and the full house backfield gives me a semi?

It means that Mike Alstott is your spirit animal.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Wasn't Army the end-all-be-all though?

I would probably pick Army over Navy if we're going that route.

Yep. Yale had more titles though. I said Navy and then looked it up.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yep. Yale had more titles though. I said Navy and then looked it up.

Don't most of Yale's titles come from an era where only like twenty schools played and schedules were like five games long?

 

[Irish#1]

Navy wasn't the power that Army was back when ND built its reputation upsetting some of those fabled Army teams. If you're talking blue bloods over the course of time, both Texas and Nebraska should be included well before Florida or Tennessee.

 

[ACamp1900]

Navy wasn't the power that Army was back when ND built its reputation upsetting some of those fabled Army teams. If you're talking blue bloods over the course of time, both Texas and Nebraska should be included well before Florida or Tennessee.

Would Florida really get any real consideration in that grouping??? I'd have Tenn, LSU and A&M all instinctively in before them, after all of the obvious choices already mentioned.... but maybe I'm missing something...

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Holy fuck your posts in this thread are beyond redemption. It doesn't matter what our schedule "reads" like.

The objective facts are that it has been MUCH harder than what most teams have played to this point. If you can't Google this up from one of any dozen or so sources, you might be illiterate.

This is why the country hates ND fans... we're delusional at times. Sure, our schedule is filled with quality level names, but they're all playing like shit. Tell me, which of our wins has been noteworthy? Our current Power 5 victories are over teams (Texas, Virginia, GT, USC) with a combined 14-19 record. Then we've played two teams who, aside from their loss to us, are undefeated. However, they're in the AAC. Then there's 1-7 UMass from the MAC. At the start of the season, the schedule looked much more impressive.

 

[koonja]

I think that to determine the 'blue bloods', take away each team's BEST decade, and go from there. Everyone had a stint. Who was more consistent throughout history.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is why the country hates ND fans... we're delusional at times. Sure, our schedule is filled with quality level names, but they're all playing like shit. Tell me, which of our wins has been noteworthy? Our current Power 5 victories are over teams (Texas, Virginia, GT, USC) with a combined 14-19 record. Then we've played two teams who, aside from their loss to us, are undefeated. However, they're in the AAC. Then there's 1-7 UMass from the MAC. At the start of the season, the schedule looked much more impressive.

list 15 schedules in the country that, to this point, are clearly better than ND's.......

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is why the country hates ND fans... we're delusional at times. Sure, our schedule is filled with quality level names, but they're all playing like shit. Tell me, which of our wins has been noteworthy? Our current Power 5 victories are over teams (Texas, Virginia, GT, USC) with a combined 14-19 record. Then we've played two teams who, aside from their loss to us, are undefeated. However, they're in the AAC. Then there's 1-7 UMass from the MAC. At the start of the season, the schedule looked much more impressive.

FEI rates our SoS to date as the 3rd toughest nationally. Sagarin's model rates it as the 16th toughest. And the Selection Committee just placed us at #5, ahead of many unbeaten teams, largely due to our SoS.

But your "eyeball" test says our resume sucks. So who's the delusional one?

 

[IrishLax]

This is why the country hates ND fans... we're delusional at times. Sure, our schedule is filled with quality level names, but they're all playing like shit. Tell me, which of our wins has been noteworthy? Our current Power 5 victories are over teams (Texas, Virginia, GT, USC) with a combined 14-19 record. Then we've played two teams who, aside from their loss to us, are undefeated. However, they're in the AAC. Then there's 1-7 UMass from the MAC. At the start of the season, the schedule looked much more impressive.

How on earth is citing OBJECTIVE, UNBIASED SOS METRICS FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SOURCES possibly classified as "delusional"?

You have literally no support for your position. None. There are zero facts to back up anything that you are saying. It does not fucking matter what you subjectively think about our schedule and the records of opponents that are on it. It rates where it does relative to other teams because it is stronger than what they have played.

 

[ACamp1900]

Interesting dialogue on the blue bloods topic...

just off the top of my head... hopefully I'm not forgetting anyone, I have them at:

Stone Cold locks:

ND, USC, Oklahoma, Bama, tOSU

Pretty Comfortable:

Texas, Michigan, Nebraska (current circumstance noted, they still belong imo)

Right on the border line:

LSU, A&M, Tennessee, Penn State

MAYBE a case can be made for:

Pitt, Michigan State, FSU, Florida, Georgia, UCLA

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How on earth is citing OBJECTIVE, UNBIASED SOS METRICS FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SOURCES possibly classified as "delusional"?

You have literally no support for your position. None. There are zero facts to back up anything that you are saying. It does not fucking matter what you subjectively think about our schedule and the records of opponents that are on it. It rates where it does relative to other teams because it is stronger than what they have played.

Here we are, ranked #5 in the country, in the midst of an incredible season and largely in control of our own destiny... and yet we spend most of our time on IE arguing with other ND fans about whether Kelly is a good coach, and whether our resume sucks.

 

[Wild Bill]

Here we are, ranked #5 in the country, in the midst of an incredible season and largely in control of our own destiny... and yet we spend most of our time on IE arguing with other ND fans about whether Kelly is a good coach, and whether our resume sucks.

Just another day in paradise.

 

[ndfi78]

I think we beat any of them at 11-1 and I don't think it's close. But 12-0 is a definite possibility, which is why I'm rooting against Clemson. There's value in having a path to number 2 or 3 just in case one of our preferred scenarios to number 4 doesn't play out. Everyone is relying on the Big 12 to cannibalize, but if that doesn't happen we may be screwed. I think the "backup plan" is Clemson dropping and taking the ACC out of the playoff conversation all together.


...except Clemson. Their status as a team ranked ahead of us is more important than their status as a team we played hard in the rain on the road. Sacrificing the latter in order to eliminate the former is a trade I'd like to see happen. A lot of you guys are acting like losing by two to 11-1 Clemson in a hurricane somehow becomes a shitty loss in the eyes of the committee.

Jeff Long just specifically said one of ND's biggest positives is the close loss to the #1 team. We need Clemson to win out. Accept it man.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just another day in paradise.

Brian Kelly to IE's vocal malcontents:

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[GowerND11]

Interesting dialogue on the blue bloods topic...

just off the top of my head... hopefully I'm not forgetting anyone, I have them at:

Stone Cold locks:

ND, USC, Oklahoma, Bama, tOSU

Pretty Comfortable:

Texas, Michigan, Nebraska (current circumstance noted, they still belong imo)

Right on the border line:

LSU, A&M, Tennessee, Penn State

MAYBE a case can be made for:

Pitt, Michigan State, FSU, Florida, Georgia, UCLA

What about Miami? Their run in the from the 80s to the 90s as well as the early 2000s was something.

Possibly make a case for Auburn, but probably lesser than most on your list.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm 35, I became a huge ND lifer in 89 and vividly remember those ND teams...

Same here, except I think it was the '90 season. Actually, that bowl game, so '89 season?

Anyway, you has me fooled - come across as much older than 35. Damn, do I sound old to people too!!? :/

 

[Irish Insanity]

Here we are, ranked #5 in the country, in the midst of an incredible season and largely in control of our own destiny... and yet we spend most of our time on IE arguing with other ND fans about whether Kelly is a good coach, and whether our resume sucks.

Incredible is a little strong.

 

[koonja]

Aside from Bama, who in the top 6 would you say has a harder schedule than ours?

 

[ThePiombino]

Incredible is a little strong.

lol there's no satisfying some people.

How can you say, given the circumstances, this qualifies as anything less? #1/2 QB gone, #1/2 RB gone, #1DT gone, #1 Nickel gone, #2/3 safety gone or yet to play. #5 in the country with QB3 as of spring and guy who we thought would be a safety at RB1.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I wouldn't say Bama's pass defense is suspect this year. And LSU's passing offense seems to be improving, as Harris has had three very efficient performances in a row now. I would give the edge to Bama vs LSU's passing offense. I think that game comes down to whether Bama's offense show up or not.

The last three games have been against SC, FL and W Kentucky, not great teams by anyone's stretch of the imagination. And how much of that passing yardage was due to those three teams physical necessity to send the house very single play to slow down LSU's RB leaving the CBs completely on an island?

 

[gkIrish]

Aside from Bama, who in the top 6 would you say has a harder schedule than ours?

Bama, LSU, and Florida are the only teams in the top 10 I would say have faced a tougher road to a high ranking than us so far

Let me ask everyone this question.

How many games do you think Bama, LSU, Florida, Ohio St., Baylor, TCU, and Clemson would lose if they played our schedule?

I would be shocked if any of them lost more than 2. I think the vast majority would lose 1.

 

[ulukinatme]

Jeff Long just specifically said one of ND's biggest positives is the close loss to the #1 team. We need Clemson to win out. Accept it man.

Logic and facts have no place here. This thread is about wizards' dream playoff lineup! Also, Clemson should lose cause it means we move up based on the old BCS format!

 

[ACamp1900]

Bama, LSU, and Florida are the only teams in the top 10 I would say have faced a tougher road to a high ranking than us so far

Let me ask everyone this question.

How many games do you think Bama, LSU, Florida, Ohio St., Baylor, TCU, and Clemson would lose if they played our schedule?

I would be shocked if any of them lost more than 2. I think the vast majority would lose 1.

I would HIGHLY argue Florida and LSU... in fact you can make the case that the only real, legit, tests either team has faced to this point (in typical SEC style) is each other and both have had multiple laughable level cup cake games... I wonder how much of either's image is propped up by those games...

For the record, I think LSU gets shit stomped this weekend...

 

[GowerND11]

ACamp... See my post #317 about the blue bloods on the last page.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I would HIGHLY argue Florida and LSU... in fact you can make the case that the only real, legit, tests either team has faced to this point (in typical SEC style) is each other and both have had multiple laughable level cup cake games... I wonder how much of either's image is propped up by those games...

For the record, I think LSU gets shit stomped this weekend...

Look at this schedule:

LSU

McNeese St
Miss St
Auburn
Syracuse
E Mich
S Carolina
Florida
W Kentucky
Open
Bama
Ark
Ole Pss
Tex A&M

FL

New Mex St
E Carolina
KY
TN
Ole Piss
Mizzou
LSU
Open
GA
Vandy
S Carolina
FL Atlantic
FSU


What the heck is with the cupcake schedules???

 

[IrishLion]

The last three games have been against SC, FL and W Kentucky, not great teams by anyone's stretch of the imagination. And how much of that passing yardage was due to those three teams physical necessity to send the house very single play to slow down LSU's RB leaving the CBs completely on an island?

To discount Florida is crazy lol. And as to the bolded, so what? That's what happens when you run the ball well. Teams stack the box and leave their CB's on an island. It will happen against Bama. LSU will make some plays, Bama will make some plays. Fournette will find some lanes, but he'll also get stuffed. Harris will find some receivers open in 1-on-1, but he'll probably throw a few duds. Those things should even out on both sides. The question becomes whether or not Bama's offense can get going.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm pretty much discounting Florida... they are this year's Miss St/SCar/Ole Miss ( "Any team with a good record in the SEC must be legit")... they've beaten absolutely no one to lead me to believe they are anything more than last year's Florida with an easier road...

The only team in the sec this year that I KNOW is legit is Bama... and that's it...

 

[Wingman Ray]

Yeah Im not on the FL bandwagon at all. Beating Ole Piss who lost to Memphis, a .500 TN team and a depleted GA team doesnt make you a worldbeater.