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I'm so torn here. On the one hand, it really would have been nice for USC to roll into South Bend next week ranked and overconfident. Would also be nice to see Cutty Sark churn out 4-5 more years of mediocrity for Troy.

But on the other hand, f*ck USC.

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I could take an 11-1 Southern Cal every year providing that one loss was recorded in mid-October and late November in alternating years.
 

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I could take an 11-1 Southern Cal every year providing that one loss was recorded in mid-October and late November in alternating years.

I COULD take that too... I'd rather they just never win a game ever again tho...
 
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Down day at work, looked up the USC message board. Pulled this solid post:

All of USC's failed coaches have had the game that strips away all doubt and allows all but the most dyed-in-the-wool delusionists in our fan base (i.e., someone who has recently argued that Jim Harbaugh and Bill Snyder are mediocre but Sark shows real promise) to see that we're headed to a necessary coaching change. Hackett and Kiffin both had humiliating home losses to Washington State. Sark -- either because he doesn't "get USC" traditions as much as Pat Haden thinks, or because the schedulers did not give him the opportunity -- chose to mix it up and have his exposure game against the other Washington school, a pedestrian Husky squad with a crappy freshman QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Understand, these exposure games don't cause a coach to fail. Failure is inevitable when you don't have the skill set to succeed. They just let everybody know what's coming. These are the games where the failed USC coach shows the whole world why he can't succeed. ​

For Sark, it's the softness at the core of his coaching philosophy (or personality) that spells his doom. Holding a stable of good backs and facing an opponent that could not stop the run, Mr. "Bully Mentality" refused to commit to the run game, exposing all of his preseason talk as the empty bluster many of us suspected. Note to Sark, just in case you're perusing the message boards while sipping a well-deserved adult beverage, when you're calling plays for Northern Illinois in two years, and you're facing a team that can't stop your running game, cram it down their freakin' throats. You know, like David Shaw did to you a couple of weeks ago. Or like USC used to do with good coaches. Hell, even Paul Hackett would have committed to the run last night.

So we're headed towards an inevitable coaching change, one that frankly was inevitable since the day Pat Haden hired a guy who was barely holding onto his job at another conference school, and who was not getting a sniff of attention from any other real football programs. The only thing left in the air now is how many players' careers have to be damaged before the plug is pulled. Being that Pat Haden is still in charge, we can expect it to be handled with the most-possible ineptitude. After all, it was his decision to wait half a year too long to fire Kiffin that gave us the revolving-door interim coach season and set back a full year the program's rebuilding efforts. Not to mention the actual logistics of the firing were so absurd that Haden temporarily turned Lane Kiffin -- Lane Kiffin! -- into an object of sympathy. So he'll undoubtedly wait too long and then handle the necessary task with typical clumsiness.

And then what? I suppose that depends on whether Pat Haden has the class to resign and give up a job he was never prepared to take. If he does, this program we love has a fighting chance. If not ... well, I don't want to talk about what happens if not. Let's just say that if you consistently get rotten food and lousy service from a restaurant, you should have a pretty good idea what you're getting if you go back again.

In the meantime, I'll be taking my 9-year-old son to South Bend this week. This is my 8th trip; his first. Because I want him to have great memories of his first trip to Notre Dame, I'm going to go all-in on the stuff surrounding the game and downplay the significance of the outcome of the game itself. What choice do I have? Soft, undisciplined football teams rarely walk into South Bend without getting their teeth kicked in. It could be a rough evening
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There were more people at Sark's happy hour than at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Embarassing?src=hash">#Embarassing</a></p>— Harry Hiestand (@FakeBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FakeBigHarry/status/652291307654656000">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Is it possible uSC goes to Washington again to nab its next head coach??

I doubt it, although stranger things have happened. I think Petersen turned down the job last round and took over at Washington instead. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall though and realized USC wasn't out of the woods yet in regards to sanctions, who knows. It's not like coaches haven't turned a job down once and then come back to it later, Harbaugh was one.
 

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Down day at work, looked up the USC message board. Pulled this solid post:

"All of USC's failed coaches have had the game that strips away all doubt and allows all but the most dyed-in-the-wool delusionists in our fan base (i.e., someone who has recently argued that Jim Harbaugh and Bill Snyder are mediocre but Sark shows real promise) to see that we're headed to a necessary coaching change. Hackett and Kiffin both had humiliating home losses to Washington State. Sark -- either because he doesn't "get USC" traditions as much as Pat Haden thinks, or because the schedulers did not give him the opportunity -- chose to mix it up and have his exposure game against the other Washington school, a pedestrian Husky squad with a crappy freshman QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Understand, these exposure games don't cause a coach to fail. Failure is inevitable when you don't have the skill set to succeed. They just let everybody know what's coming. These are the games where the failed USC coach shows the whole world why he can't succeed. ​

For Sark, it's the softness at the core of his coaching philosophy (or personality) that spells his doom. Holding a stable of good backs and facing an opponent that could not stop the run, Mr. "Bully Mentality" refused to commit to the run game, exposing all of his preseason talk as the empty bluster many of us suspected. Note to Sark, just in case you're perusing the message boards while sipping a well-deserved adult beverage, when you're calling plays for Northern Illinois in two years, and you're facing a team that can't stop your running game, cram it down their freakin' throats. You know, like David Shaw did to you a couple of weeks ago. Or like USC used to do with good coaches. Hell, even Paul Hackett would have committed to the run last night.

So we're headed towards an inevitable coaching change, one that frankly was inevitable since the day Pat Haden hired a guy who was barely holding onto his job at another conference school, and who was not getting a sniff of attention from any other real football programs. The only thing left in the air now is how many players' careers have to be damaged before the plug is pulled. Being that Pat Haden is still in charge, we can expect it to be handled with the most-possible ineptitude. After all, it was his decision to wait half a year too long to fire Kiffin that gave us the revolving-door interim coach season and set back a full year the program's rebuilding efforts. Not to mention the actual logistics of the firing were so absurd that Haden temporarily turned Lane Kiffin -- Lane Kiffin! -- into an object of sympathy. So he'll undoubtedly wait too long and then handle the necessary task with typical clumsiness.

And then what? I suppose that depends on whether Pat Haden has the class to resign and give up a job he was never prepared to take. If he does, this program we love has a fighting chance. If not ... well, I don't want to talk about what happens if not. Let's just say that if you consistently get rotten food and lousy service from a restaurant, you should have a pretty good idea what you're getting if you go back again.

In the meantime, I'll be taking my 9-year-old son to South Bend this week. This is my 8th trip; his first. Because I want him to have great memories of his first trip to Notre Dame, I'm going to go all-in on the stuff surrounding the game and downplay the significance of the outcome of the game itself. What choice do I have? Soft, undisciplined football teams rarely walk into South Bend without getting their teeth kicked in. It could be a rough evening."

Translation: we need to return to the days when we had a sleazebag AD who would look the other way when our even bigger sleazebag coach was breaking NCAA rules to field a really good team.
 

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Translation: we need to return to the days when we had a sleazebag AD who would look the other way when our even bigger sleazebag coach was breaking NCAA rules to field a really good team with running backs that we have paid a lot of money to in order to run it down the oppositions throats.

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Date Pos Player Injury Status
10/08/15 DT Claude Pelon Knee "?"
10/08/15 WR Darreus Rogers Hamstring "?"
10/08/15 OL Khaliel Rodgers Personal "?"
10/08/15 C Max Tuerk Knee "?"

Pelon and Turek were injured against UW and missed part of the game.

Pelon was questionable going into the UW game.


Khalil Rodgers was listed before the UW game.
 

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Whoa. Haden passed over Petersen for Sarkisian? That's indefensible. Makes last night's Trojan debacle much more enjoyable.


Chris Petersen, then at Boise State, interviewed for the USC job following the 2013 season. The USC brass dismissed Petersen as not dynamic enough and too unwilling to handle the media and booster obligations that go hand-in-hand with the biggest football job in Los Angeles.

This quote from the article - and specifically what is in bold - probably makes Peterson a no for the ND job when BK moves on. Sadly.
 
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IIRC, there were rumors that the interviewers, mainly Haden, didn't like his approach during the interview. He was more interested in what USC had to offer him rather than selling himself on what he had to offer USC.

Bullet dodged for ND fans, IMO.

Sark is exactly what we want over there.
 

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This quote from the article - and specifically what is in bold - probably makes Peterson a no for the ND job when BK moves on. Sadly.

There also have been rumors---not sure how credible they are---that he's a Scientologist. If true, I doubt that will go over well at ND either.
 

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This quote from the article - and specifically what is in bold - probably makes Peterson a no for the ND job when BK moves on. Sadly.

I thought Petersen has always maintained that he's happy in the Pacific Northwest and wouldn't really want to leave.
 

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IIRC, there were rumors that the interviewers, mainly Haden, didn't like his approach during the interview. He was more interested in what USC had to offer him rather than selling himself on what he had to offer USC.

Bullet dodged for ND fans, IMO.

Sark is exactly what we want over there.

That seems so ticky-tack. USC would know about Petersen's coaching credentials. What he did at BSU was extraordinary and consistent. In my mind, the purpose of the interview would be to:

1) Make sure there's a good cultural fit. If Petersen really did have a "me first" attitude, I'm not sure why USC wouldn't like that. It's the USC trademark style.
2) Allow the candidate to see why their safe job where they're loved and appreciated isn't as good as the potential opportunity offered by the interviewing school. Haden should have expected questions on budgets, facilities, operating freedom, etc-----the things that distinguish USC from BSU and would justify Petersen uprooting his family and taking a much more stressful job with much lower security.
 

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So because this is the USC game thread I'm curious if there is any that actually think we see any positional changes, mainly MLB and DE for the USC game?

It doesn't have to be outright starting but significantly more minutes and maybe a different philosophy?
 

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That seems so ticky-tack. USC would know about Petersen's coaching credentials. What he did at BSU was extraordinary and consistent. In my mind, the purpose of the interview would be to:

1) Make sure there's a good cultural fit. If Petersen really did have a "me first" attitude, I'm not sure why USC wouldn't like that. It's the USC trademark style.
2) Allow the candidate to see why their safe job where they're loved and appreciated isn't as good as the potential opportunity offered by the interviewing school. Haden should have expected questions on budgets, facilities, operating freedom, etc-----the things that distinguish USC from BSU and would justify Petersen uprooting his family and taking a much more stressful job with much lower security.

I completely agree. Who knows if it's even true. I just remember reading it on USC boards when they were hiring a new coach. I'm glad it didn't go well. Sark at USC is far better for ND.

So because this is the USC game thread I'm curious if there is any that actually think we see any positional changes, mainly MLB and DE for the USC game?

It doesn't have to be outright starting but significantly more minutes and maybe a different philosophy?

I know this was said over and over, but they probably win that game if Sark continues to run the ball. I hope he doesn't sober up and realize his run game is pretty damn good by next Saturday.
 

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Lol everyone's favorite Michael Wilbon when discussing USC goes on to take shots at Chip Kelly and his "genius" then goes on to say he could possibly be sarks replacement.
 

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The guy behind him was the number one ranked guard 2 years ago. Guessing not a lot of drop off.

I think there there might be considering he is the consensus best player in the country at his position, especially when he is a projected first round pick.
 

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I think there there might be considering he is the consensus best player in the country at his position, especially when he is a projected first round pick.

Certainly agree, but a USC friend of mine says they are not worried... their feedback... "not a better 2 deep situation at that position (maybe O-line in general) in the country"

I really don't know anything about Rodgers except the ratings/rankings (recruiting) my friend was spewing..
 

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Depends how well we play. Sucks for him but if who we line up doesn't play to potential, they will fill with talent enough to get by.

Not to mention my concern is they will play quick passes on our backers and try to get 8-10 anyway. Which means our pass rush will be eliminated. This all but assures me. Hope BVG plans against liek Wash.
 

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Just wish USC would've won. ND needs them to be ranked and contending for a better chance at final 4 if ND can win out

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The guy behind him was the number one ranked guard 2 years ago. Guessing not a lot of drop off.

Big road night game for his first start and line up across from Day and Tillery, I don't know. I'd feel confident if it was one of our guys but I also wouldn't expect the same type of performace. There will most likely be some drop off in the play.
 

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This is like Bars taking over for Stanley. I'd feel confident in Bars, who looks like a future NFL guy in his own right, but he's not going to perform right away at the same level.
 
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