'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[rtrn2glory]

no problem as long as we're good with Hunter.

pretty good job by the kid and staff keeping this under the radar

 

[Section20Row27]

6' pocket QB with some mobility. Maybe they think they found the next Montana.

That was my first thought as well!

Second thought: Book is booking it down the sidelines...

 

[Luckylucci]

1). Any QB taken by Mike Leach is a good take --- has been said before above, but is the surest sign that the player is quality;

2). Any QB known well and offered by Coach Sanford is a good offer --- also noted above; these two things should mainly silence or at least create humility in IE negativity;

3). Having a solid QB between Wimbush and whoever comes in 2017 is so obviously smart at that position that it's a near necessity regardless of low scholarships this round;

4). I'd take a Tommy Rees all day as my insurance policy, and this guy looks to have at least that much potential;

5). "Kelly smarter'n I are"; so is Sanford.

Thanks for signing up, young Ian, and welcome to a fantastic university and football program.


p.s. as to our "low ranking class", that's numbers-dependent not quality-of-individuals-dependent. Notre Dame's average rated quality of verbal recruit is in the high 88s. Almost everybody in the nation [that is considered having a good start to 2016 recruiting] is in the 87-90 range. Only two programs are separate from this hoard: LSU and FSU, I think. We're not having a "bad" year, we're just having a low numbers year.

So I'll take contention with 1 and 2.

1. What QB has Mike Leach ever coached that turned into an actual good QB, beyond his system? He has an offense that looks great but rarely wins and the QB's are rarely anything other than his system. Wash. St. Is a terrible team that throws for a lot of yards, that does nothing for me. He's probably offered half of the 2016 QB's. Definitely not the same as a DB offer from VT or an LB offer from Bama, for example.

2. I think Coach Sanford is a good hire but what has he produced that makes this statement plausible? He won at BSU? Good coach but this isn't an everything he touches turns to gold scenario at least not yet.

I have zero problems with the offer and commitment I just find the justifications somewhat hilarious.

 

[Booslum31]

Welcome Ian!



Even if ALL of us are clueless.

Agree with this.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Everything I have seen or heard, about this kid is great; especially his name!

 

[Corry]

Congrats Book

 

[Blaise]

I would have more trust in Kelly if he turned some of these 3 star kids into 1st round draft picks MSU style....

Seems like he just hasn't been able to turn average ranking kids into studs

 

[OCIrish]

Welcome to Irish Nation, Ian!!!! Hope you do us proud!!

 

[irishff1014]

Not a bad pick up. Sounds like a really bright young man with enough ability that the coaches can teach him him the way. Welcome Book.

 

[BoredIrish]

Not sure what everyone is so upset about.

To me, Book is the next Kevin Hogan... a smart kid who isn't going to transfer or get in trouble and who would be content as a backup.

That is pretty good if you ask me.

 

[JD Irish]

It's really hard to go back and look at our 2013 class and then look at the 2016 class. Our recruiting this year is so weird.

 

[Ironman8]

I would have more trust in Kelly if he turned some of these 3 star kids into 1st round draft picks MSU style....

Seems like he just hasn't been able to turn average ranking kids into studs

Michigan State has had 2 first round picks since 2003, and that was Dennard at #24 overall last year and Waynes at #11 this year - both CBs. They have had 6 total 1st or 2nd rounders in that timeframe. ND has had 17.

Notre Dame has turned way more 3 star and low 4 star guys into first and second round picks than MSU. You want to argue on the field success in college - fine. But in terms of developing talent NFL wants, ND has outranked MSU there. Martin, Niklas, Eifert, Smith all first or second round picks that were a 3 star or low 4 star by most or all ranking services.

 

[dublinirish]

Not sure what everyone is so upset about.

To me, Book is the next Kevin Hogan... a smart kid who isn't going to transfer or get in trouble and who would be content as a backup.

That is pretty good if you ask me.

Lol basically what Tommy Rees should have been

 

[Southside Sully]

I would have more trust in Kelly if he turned some of these 3 star kids into 1st round draft picks MSU style....

Seems like he just hasn't been able to turn average ranking kids into studs

Tyler Eifert ring a bell?

 

[theclassickiller]

IMO odds are very low this player will ever play at QB for ND.....nothing personal there , I mean he seems like a great kid and very smart. But I don't get this offer at all....this class will be Kelly's lowest ranked group as we roll into years 5 & 6 , not a good sign in my view.

Probably true anywhere but ND. In a perfect world guys like Tommy Rees or Evan Sharpley or Montane-ya would never see the field. But they did, and frankly we should all be happy they were there to step in. Hopefully that's what this kid is. If he turns out to be way more than that, awesome.

 

[theclassickiller]

Lol basically what Tommy Rees should have been

Yeah but Tommy had WAY more street cred. What with kicking cops and all...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Michigan State has had 2 first round picks since 2003, and that was Dennard at #24 overall last year and Waynes at #11 this year - both CBs. They have had 6 total 1st or 2nd rounders in that timeframe. ND has had 17.

Notre Dame has turned way more 3 star and low 4 star guys into first and second round picks than MSU. You want to argue on the field success in college - fine. But in terms of developing talent NFL wants, ND has outranked MSU there. Martin, Niklas, Eifert, Smith all first or second round picks that were a 3 star or low 4 star by most or all ranking services.

Well, that's like....your opinion man

 

[Old Man Mike]

I should let this go, but don't you love it when a MOD singles out your reasoning on something as being so ridiculous that's it's "hilarious"? .......... not my idea of mod behavior throwing personal shots.

As to Leach doing anything with QBs --- seems to me that the idea is to get QBs to complete passes and score touchdowns regardless of what your system is. No one I assume believes that Leach can just insert some goon into his backfield and the system will turn him into a pass-completer/touchdown-producer without any coaching.

2002: Kliff Kingsbury. 4642 yards, 42 touchdowns, Sammy Baugh Trophy, current head coach Texas Tech--- couldn't have learned anything about football though to become a head coach.

2003: BJ Symons, 5833 yards, 52 touchdowns, 12 game season total offense record, 11 national records.

2004: Sonny Cumbie. 4742 yards, 32 touchdowns, 520 yds in Holiday Bowl vs #4 Cal with MVP, current quarterbacks coach, TCU.

2005: Cody Hodges. 4238 yards, 31 touchdowns. Hodges had only been offered one other D1 scholarship [Wyoming]. Got stuck playing Bama with the #1 defense in the country in bowl, led TTech is RUSHING that game.

2006-7: Graham Harrell. 4555 and 5705 yards; 38 and 48 touchdowns, Johnny Unitas Award, now on the WSU coaching staff.

Every year bringing somebody off the sidelines to challenge for the nation's best quarterback, three of those five learning so much that they are now D1 coaches themselves.

Leach a good eye for quarterbacks?... yeh hilarious. The slap by the Mod was the best part of it. When will IE become more civilized?

 

[Luckylucci]

My apologies OMM but I did find it funny because that was literally the first time I've ever heard somebody say that it was a good offer or commitment because Mike Leach wanted him. I literally did laugh. Sorry if it offended you.

Also you can post all the stats you want, he runs an air raid system. From previous posting isn't that the opposite of what you want here? Why would you then want to recruit the same as him?

For some more context below is his wiki page and he is 96-68 as a head coach. Makes a winning percentage of 58%, I wouldn't call that good. Back out this absurd run he's had at WSU and his winning % was 66%, still not that good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)#Coaching_career

 

[Irish#1]

Let's hope that Ian hits the "Books" while he's here.

You can Book on ND having a QB named Ian on the roster.

 

[IrishLion]

My apologies OMM but I did find it funny because that was literally the first time I've ever heard somebody say that it was a good offer or commitment because Mike Leach wanted him. I literally did laugh. Sorry if it offended you.

Also you can post all the stats you want, he runs an air raid system. From previous posting isn't that the opposite of what you want here? Why would you then want to recruit the same as him?

For some more context below is his wiki page and he is 96-68 as a head coach. Makes a winning percentage of 58%, I wouldn't call that good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)#Coaching_career

I think the point is that Leach knows how to spot a QB that can learn (and execute) a complex system.

This doesn't mean Book is going to be a superstar. But I think the fact that Leach wanted this kid to someday command his air-raid, where the entire offense rests on the shoulders of the QB, is a generally positive aspect to the commitment.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think the point is that Leach knows how to spot a QB that can learn (and execute) a complex system.

This doesn't mean Book is going to be a superstar. But I think the fact that Leach wanted this kid to someday command his air-raid, where the entire offense rests on the shoulders of the QB, is a generally positive aspect to the commitment.

I understand the context that it was meant as a positive, I just don't think and never will that if Leach wants him thats a reason to be positive. Maybe the fact that he's very good in the quick passing game, maybe because he's very accurate on tape, but Leach wants him so I do too? Not sure I'll ever get that one. Again, Leach isn't a good coach nor has he shown himself to be one recently. Lastly, Leachs system is completely different from that you, I, and I believe OMM want to run. Therefore why would we want his QB?

 

[pkt77242]

My apologies OMM but I did find it funny because that was literally the first time I've ever heard somebody say that it was a good offer or commitment because Mike Leach wanted him. I literally did laugh. Sorry if it offended you.

Also you can post all the stats you want, he runs an air raid system. From previous posting isn't that the opposite of what you want here? Why would you then want to recruit the same as him?

For some more context below is his wiki page and he is 96-68 as a head coach. Makes a winning percentage of 58%, I wouldn't call that good. Back out this absurd run he's had at WSU and his winning % was 66%, still not that good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)#Coaching_career

I understand the context that it was meant as a positive, I just don't think and never will that if Leach wants him thats a reason to be positive. Maybe the fact that he's very good in the quick passing game, maybe because he's very accurate on tape, but Leach wants him so I do too? Not sure I'll ever get that one. Again, Leach isn't a good coach nor has he shown himself to be one recently. Lastly, Leachs system is completely different from that you, I, and I believe OMM want to run. Therefore why would we want his QB?

The problem is that you need to compare what Leach did at TT to what the previous coaches did at TT. Winning 2/3 of your game at TT is pretty damn good, care to look back at TT history and find a coach that averaged that there? To claim that he isn't a good coach is over the top. I would agree that he isn't a great coach, but not a good coach?

Also why are you being so "aggressive" in your posting lately? Is everything ok?

ETA: I do agree that we run completely different offenses and that should give some pause.

 

[BGIF]

Blaise Turned Into Blaze when misperception is confronted by reality.

Blaise Turned Into Blaze when misperception is confronted by reality.

I would have more trust in Kelly if he turned some of these 3 star kids into 1st round draft picks MSU style....

Seems like he just hasn't been able to turn average ranking kids into studs

Michigan State has had 2 first round picks since 2003, and that was Dennard at #24 overall last year and Waynes at #11 this year - both CBs. They have had 6 total 1st or 2nd rounders in that timeframe. ND has had 17.

Notre Dame has turned way more 3 star and low 4 star guys into first and second round picks than MSU. You want to argue on the field success in college - fine. But in terms of developing talent NFL wants, ND has outranked MSU there. Martin, Niklas, Eifert, Smith all first or second round picks that were a 3 star or low 4 star by most or all ranking services.

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[Irish_I_HadHair]

His tape looks like a poor man's Tony Romo HS version.

Not a dynamic athlete, but some slick tricks to his game in the pocket. Decent enough arm to compete in college.

I like the Kevin Hogan comparison, too, as far as Sanford QB's go.

 

[IrishLion]

I understand the context that it was meant as a positive, I just don't think and never will that if Leach wants him thats a reason to be positive. Maybe the fact that he's very good in the quick passing game, maybe because he's very accurate on tape, but Leach wants him so I do too? Not sure I'll ever get that one. Again, Leach isn't a good coach nor has he shown himself to be one recently. Lastly, Leachs system is completely different from that you, I, and I believe OMM want to run. Therefore why would we want his QB?

Because it's a more complex system that puts way more stress on the QB. If Mike Leach thinks the kid can one day run the show in his offense, I have no doubt that BK could teach the kid how to run the basic ND playbook, which is capable of protecting a signal caller pretty well as it is.

This is not something that has come up before, as ND has never really shared the same recruiting plane with Wazzu. But, with Sanford's background recruiting against the Pac12, it's now applicable, and I think there are positive merits to be taken from grabbing a guy that Mike Leach wanted.

It would kind of be like going after a 3-star defensive player that Alabama wants. The defensive systems aren't the same, but if Saban wants him, you better believe that's a reason to be positive if ND jumps into the mix.

 

[pkt77242]

Michigan State has had 2 first round picks since 2003, and that was Dennard at #24 overall last year and Waynes at #11 this year - both CBs. They have had 6 total 1st or 2nd rounders in that timeframe. ND has had 17.

Notre Dame has turned way more 3 star and low 4 star guys into first and second round picks than MSU. You want to argue on the field success in college - fine. But in terms of developing talent NFL wants, ND has outranked MSU there. Martin, Niklas, Eifert, Smith all first or second round picks that were a 3 star or low 4 star by most or all ranking services.

To be fair I looked from 2012 on (because I am lazy). Yes Dennard and Waynes were their only two 1st round but the were really lowly rated (TW was 1148 overall in 247 comp and DD was 1596) coming out of HS. The only comparable first round pick we have had during that time was Tyler Eifert though he wasn't anywhere that low coming in at 573 in the national composite. Martin, Niklas, Smith, were all much more highly rated (I believe that all were in the top 250). If you want to talk about 2nd round picks like Niklas then lets add Le'Veon Bell who was 1816 in the national composite and Jerel Worthy at 1288.

There is no doubt that ND gets more players drafter in the 1st and 2nd round then MSU. I think that if you look at the recent years it definitely tilts to MSU doing a better job of taking low rated 3* and turning them into 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

[Luckylucci]

Because it's a more complex system that puts way more stress on the QB. If Mike Leach thinks the kid can one day run the show in his offense, I have no doubt that BK could teach the kid how to run the basic ND playbook, which is capable of protecting a signal caller pretty well as it is.

This is not something that has come up before, as ND has never really shared the same recruiting plane with Wazzu. But, with Sanford's background recruiting against the Pac12, it's now applicable, and I think there are positive merits to be taken from grabbing a guy that Mike Leach wanted.

It would kind of be like going after a 3-star defensive player that Alabama wants. The defensive systems aren't the same, but if Saban wants him, you better believe that's a reason to be positive if ND jumps into the mix.

I'll end saying, I vehemently disagree with this and its not even close in my book. Bama put together NC winning teams with 3 star DL. While Leach has won 12 games in 3 seasons while scoring a bazillion points. Them scoring a bazillion points and losing doesn't do anything for me. They are still losing and he's still not a good coach.

Side note: An Oregon State fan this morning, literally made joke of "well if Mike Leach wants him, then I'm sure ND does." He was being facetious.

My main point is, there are legitimate reasons to like this kid. I don't view Mike Leach's endorsement as one. Far from it. This will be my last post on the topic as we should get back to Ian.

 

[IrishLion]

I'll end saying, I vehemently disagree with this and its not even close in my book. Bama put together NC winning teams with 3 star DL. While Leach has won 12 games in 3 seasons while scoring a bazillion points. Them scoring a bazillion points and losing doesn't do anything for me. They are still losing and he's still not a good coach.

Side note: An Oregon State fan this morning, literally made joke of "well if Mike Leach wants him, then I'm sure ND does." He was being facetious.

My main point is, there are legitimate reasons to like this kid. I don't view Mike Leach's endorsement as one. Far from it. This will be my last post on the topic as we should get back to Ian.

Your answer is right there though. They're scoring "a bazillion points" because he knows how to spot his QB's.

The rest of his coaching? Nah. But the man knows his QB play. And I would say this has everything to do with Ian, so I don't think it's off topic.

 

[woolybug25]

I'll end saying, I vehemently disagree with this and its not even close in my book. Bama put together NC winning teams with 3 star DL. While Leach has won 12 games in 3 seasons while scoring a bazillion points. Them scoring a bazillion points and losing doesn't do anything for me. They are still losing and he's still not a good coach.

Side note: An Oregon State fan this morning, literally made joke of "well if Mike Leach wants him, then I'm sure ND does." He was being facetious.

My main point is, there are legitimate reasons to like this kid. I don't view Mike Leach's endorsement as one. Far from it. This will be my last post on the topic as we should get back to Ian.

Why does it matter if it translates into wins? Defense wins games. Special teams win games. Just because he sucks at those things doesn't mean that he doesn't have mad genius level offensive prowess. If we are talking specifically about QB's, then why does his team's success matter? All I care about is how his QB's perform, which has always been excellent.

In that same argument, a VT offer for a corner/safety shouldn't matter. But it does...