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I'm guessing he meant that hopefully our depth chart (ND) doesnt scare him away to a chance to play early (MSU)
'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)
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This. Being book-ended by Zaire and Barnett does not look too promising. On paper at least.
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was thinking along the lines of barnett.
just think it's something to keep an eye on with the success sparty had
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I have a feeling, that, DeShone being from Ohio, I font think competition is going to scare him off, at least not right now, maybe down the road, but I don't see him as having a problem with the amount of competitors in front of him......JMO
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Newsmakers 2013: Central Catholic QB excited for future at Notre Dame | Toledo Newspaper
“Here at Central Catholic, they expect nothing less than greatness,” Kizer said. “Over these four years, they have helped me develop into as good a person as I can possibly be. They’ve stayed on top of me with my academics and helped me develop who I am on and off the field. With Coach [Greg] Dempsey and the whole support staff they’ve put together, I believe Central Catholic has prepared me better than any other school could have.”
The list of suitors for Kizer’s talents was long and impressive, including perennial national championship contenders such as LSU and Alabama. According to Kizer, his family identified a three-step formula to help make the decision.
“The most important aspect was education,” Kizer said. “Notre Dame is definitely a schools that sticks out for academics compared to others I was considering. The second thing we looked at was the style of offense the team runs. I wanted to make sure that I went into a style that fit the type of guy I am. I am a dual-threat guy who would like to play in a pro-style where my running ability becomes more of an add-on than a requirement. Lastly, we looked closely at the coaching staff. If my parents are going to send me away for four to five years of my life, I wanted to make sure that the school I chose was going to treat me right and make sure they were going to be there for me rather than just being a number out on the field.”
Notre Dame fit all aspects of the formula and, after visiting campus, Kizer canceled his remaining college visits.
“The coaching staff was absolutely amazing,” Kizer said. “The offense they run is a pro-style offense, but they also get into a lot of spread offense which I think will help me a lot. Obviously, the academics speak for themselves. Walking across the stage and getting a degree from Notre Dame really sets you up for life. Everyone there wants to be successful and it’s going to be special to be in an environment like that.”
Competition for the quarterback position will be stiff. Everett Golson, who led the Fighting Irish to a national championship game in 2012, will return after a year away. In addition, freshman Malik Zaire will also compete for the starting job in 2014. However, Kizer said this presents a great opportunity to learn and grow as a quarterback.
“I just want to make sure I come in and learn from a guy who has been in a national championship game and has had success on the national stage,” Kizer said. “Would I like to play? Of course. I’m not the type of guy who is just going to walk in and want to sit the bench for my first year there. I want to get in and compete and play. I know it will take a lot of work and take a lot of time here at Central for the next five months to prepare myself before I get there. If I walk into a place and think that I am just going to take the job of a quarterback who has been in a national championship without working hard for it, then I am clueless. That’s exactly what’s not going to happen.”
For the remainder of his time in Ohio, Kizer said he plans to continue sharpening the skills needed to succeed at the next level. He knows there are aspects of his game he can improve and hopes to be an even better quarterback by the time training camp rolls around.
“I’m making sure that I continue to go over my last year’s game film to see what my weaknesses are,” Kizer said. “I like to run out of the pocket right so I have been working on rolling back to my left. I am working on my balance and tightening up my release. At the next level, things will definitely speed up. On top of that, I need to get bigger and stronger. If I think I am going to be successful because I was in high school, again, I would be clueless.”
As one of college football’s few remaining independent schools, Notre Dame consistently has one of the toughest schedules. For Kizer, this was another reason Notre Dame was so enticing.
“Being able to play at Clemson my sophomore year and being able to go to Stanford and USC every other year, it’s the only school in the nation I’ll be able to do that,” Kizer said. “We are also going to play in Dublin, Ireland. This is just something other schools don’t do. That’s why Notre Dame is so special. There is nowhere else in the country I would rather be when you put the academic tradition and football tradition together.”
“Here at Central Catholic, they expect nothing less than greatness,” Kizer said. “Over these four years, they have helped me develop into as good a person as I can possibly be. They’ve stayed on top of me with my academics and helped me develop who I am on and off the field. With Coach [Greg] Dempsey and the whole support staff they’ve put together, I believe Central Catholic has prepared me better than any other school could have.”
The list of suitors for Kizer’s talents was long and impressive, including perennial national championship contenders such as LSU and Alabama. According to Kizer, his family identified a three-step formula to help make the decision.
“The most important aspect was education,” Kizer said. “Notre Dame is definitely a schools that sticks out for academics compared to others I was considering. The second thing we looked at was the style of offense the team runs. I wanted to make sure that I went into a style that fit the type of guy I am. I am a dual-threat guy who would like to play in a pro-style where my running ability becomes more of an add-on than a requirement. Lastly, we looked closely at the coaching staff. If my parents are going to send me away for four to five years of my life, I wanted to make sure that the school I chose was going to treat me right and make sure they were going to be there for me rather than just being a number out on the field.”
Notre Dame fit all aspects of the formula and, after visiting campus, Kizer canceled his remaining college visits.
“The coaching staff was absolutely amazing,” Kizer said. “The offense they run is a pro-style offense, but they also get into a lot of spread offense which I think will help me a lot. Obviously, the academics speak for themselves. Walking across the stage and getting a degree from Notre Dame really sets you up for life. Everyone there wants to be successful and it’s going to be special to be in an environment like that.”
Competition for the quarterback position will be stiff. Everett Golson, who led the Fighting Irish to a national championship game in 2012, will return after a year away. In addition, freshman Malik Zaire will also compete for the starting job in 2014. However, Kizer said this presents a great opportunity to learn and grow as a quarterback.
“I just want to make sure I come in and learn from a guy who has been in a national championship game and has had success on the national stage,” Kizer said. “Would I like to play? Of course. I’m not the type of guy who is just going to walk in and want to sit the bench for my first year there. I want to get in and compete and play. I know it will take a lot of work and take a lot of time here at Central for the next five months to prepare myself before I get there. If I walk into a place and think that I am just going to take the job of a quarterback who has been in a national championship without working hard for it, then I am clueless. That’s exactly what’s not going to happen.”
For the remainder of his time in Ohio, Kizer said he plans to continue sharpening the skills needed to succeed at the next level. He knows there are aspects of his game he can improve and hopes to be an even better quarterback by the time training camp rolls around.
“I’m making sure that I continue to go over my last year’s game film to see what my weaknesses are,” Kizer said. “I like to run out of the pocket right so I have been working on rolling back to my left. I am working on my balance and tightening up my release. At the next level, things will definitely speed up. On top of that, I need to get bigger and stronger. If I think I am going to be successful because I was in high school, again, I would be clueless.”
As one of college football’s few remaining independent schools, Notre Dame consistently has one of the toughest schedules. For Kizer, this was another reason Notre Dame was so enticing.
“Being able to play at Clemson my sophomore year and being able to go to Stanford and USC every other year, it’s the only school in the nation I’ll be able to do that,” Kizer said. “We are also going to play in Dublin, Ireland. This is just something other schools don’t do. That’s why Notre Dame is so special. There is nowhere else in the country I would rather be when you put the academic tradition and football tradition together.”
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I know everyone is smitten with Barnett right now but I like this kid. I also like Zaire too. Golson will be good too... I am conflicted.
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Did I miss something? Did he just spill the beans for 2017?
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After all this program has been through over the last twelve months this is a problem I look forward to having.
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I was unaware of another Dublin game too.... hmmmm. Someone is going to be doing laps before he even gets on campus.
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Good problem to have. Definite upgrade (Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Barnett) to TR/AH. I love everything TR did for ND, but we're pretty well stacked with mobile talent at this point. I don't recall a foursome (not till 2015) like this. I'm sure reality will hit next year, and one will transfer, but even 3 is pretty nice. Hoping EG rocks it, Zaire kills it in clean up time, Kizer makes heads turn on the scout team, and Barnett crushes it his senior year.
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I would've rather had Mahalak (and some other guys) in this class if I'm being honest. I'm really not sold on Kizer, think he has great upside with his size but needs a LOT of work. So who knows? Maybe he'll end up being the best of the bunch, or maybe he'll never see the field. I guess time will tell. I think Mahalak had a much higher floor.
Blake Barnett I think will be an absolute star. But let's save that discussion for his thread.
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Whats the floor to ceiling ratio for each of the ND QBs?
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I can see that. However, when we have Golson for 2 and Zaire for 4. Do we need to have a guy that has a high floor or better upside. No question in my mind that Kizer has more upside.
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IMO...
Golson: ceiling = Russell Wilson, floor = what you saw at the end of last year... very solid QB with deep ball accuracy issues who holds the ball too long.
Zaire: ceiling = ?, floor = ?... don't know what to make of him, seems like a bigger version of Golson who is a better run threat and has less innate arm talent. It's hard to judge someone's film when their HS plays such a different offense and you've only seen truly minimal reps at ND.
Kizer: ceiling = elite NFL level pocket passer with decent athleticism and a top 10 pick, floor = inaccurate and unrefined passer without enough superior athletic ability to truly compensate for those shortcomings.
Barnett: ceiling = dynamic Heisman level spread QB, floor = good but inconsistent player that isn't NFL caliber.
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If Kizer pans out, he has all the tools to be an elite NFL caliber QB. Great size, good arm, and decent athleticism. Will he pan out? I know there are some people who legitimately think Kizer > Barnett.
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I thought Kizer's senior year was impressive. Some kids have talent but don't develop. He seems like he is going to develop.
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I agree with all of this. Maybe not so sold on Kizer (but as a Toledo guy I hope he's a stud); Zaire is truly a wildcard.
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In other news:
Deshone was named to the McDonald's all american watch list...sure hundreds of bball players across the nation are nominated, but they just don't nominate anyone...takes a little skill.
speaks to how good of an athlete the kid is.
Deshone was named to the McDonald's all american watch list...sure hundreds of bball players across the nation are nominated, but they just don't nominate anyone...takes a little skill.
speaks to how good of an athlete the kid is.
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It's an accomplishment for sure, but it's more like a thousand kids, and 121 from Ohio alone this year. Considering it isn't his primary sport, it's still impressive.
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This is what I saw too. Of course I wanted MZ to play this year before the season started too...
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Agree with this. I do think his upside is crazy high like you stated. And for me I think having a couple years to develop I would rather have that upside than a higher floor lower ceiling prospect. Now if Golson didn't come back that opinion would've changed.
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one thing i can speak to in regards to his development is that the offense he was playing in at TCC wasn't exactly football 101....having heard Coach Dempsey at a clinic i know that he puts a decent amount of pressure on his kids to make reads on the field. it's more than just run the play that's called. that gives me a lot of hope to that this kid has a pretty good head on his shoulders in regards to football instincts and the ability to run a college level offense. couple that with a year or two of development to work on physical mechanics and mental tools, i'm liking our QB situation in South Bend for the next several years.
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DeShone is planning at this point on red shirting, from everything I have heard. There is a lot of respect between DK and the staff, (which includes Chuck Martin, and Brian Kelly individually. There was a lot of work on EE vs. completing his commitment with his basketball and baseball teams. There were inside and outside forces at work. One of the outside triggers was the re-admission of EG. I also believe the three quarterbacks, especially DK and EG have been in communication. It probably was an advantage of EG being out for a semester.
I will bet from a conversation I had with someone close to the discussion, that BK is planning for EG leaving after one dynamic year next year. NOT THAT ANYONE ASSUMES THAT. But it is a contingency that needs to be addressed, and has been. I bet if you ask DK or his family, he came in with the idea it may be two or three years before he competed at a really high level.
I think for a top potential NFL quarterback prospect (mature high school kid with all the tools) coming out of high school would see this as a potential advantage. It could be sold. Develop, stay safe, maximize your play, and minimize your chances of injuries. After all quarterback is one of the positions that the most successful have the greatest longevity at.
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Thanks for the info. I have always thought he had the head to do the necessary homework in the film room and on the field to be successful. Mechanics become so much more important at each level. As the game speeds up those mechanics have to be right. I'll add that cleaning up mechanics isn't always easy. Some kids take to it right away and some it throws off their game, accuracy, timing, etc.
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My youngest and Dempsey's youngest are the same age, and have played sports together (occasionally) for three years. We talked much about football. The guy is a cut above the average high school coach. He simplifies a more sophisticated system for the kids so they can learn it. And it has paid off. If you watched Central over DeShone's time there, every year at least one or more sophomore has filled in at a pretty important position.
Okay that is from the coaches perspective. DeShone's middle name should be preparation. I mean this kid works hard before he ever sees the field. That showed in the elite11. Everyone raved about his attitude.
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sooo true on mechanics...i heard i guy talk once that said the first time a QB throws a football as a 7th grader is the way he will throw it for the rest of his career.
also heard a guy say he teaches all his QB's to throw the same mechanically.
i tend to believe the first guy based off of what you said in regards to how difficult it is to change mechanics.
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I was worried about Kizer before the year. I thought he was Dayne Crist part 2: incredibly articulate kid with great tools who just wasn't going to develop. However, he seems to have a little more of a competitive edge to him than I expected.
As far as Malik vs. Tommy, I was telling my FSU buddy during the game last night that watching Winston check down before the snap made me appreciate Tommy Rees. Winston may have Tommy in every athletic category, and is obviously 100x better, but Tommy sure could read coverages. If a team had sold out on the rush like that against us, they'd have been in trouble between Zach Martin and Tommy.
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I was there, hit a three to tie it with 23.4 to go in regulation. Missed one at the end of ot to tie it again. He's thicker than he was last year when I watched him play, especially in his lower half. Still a really smooth athlete. His team doesn't have much else but him but is still ranked 9th in the state.