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[Ndaccountant]

Terrible. This is why I don't ever go to Wal-Mart. Freakin trash....all of them. Not one of the "men" chose to break it up. Instead, let's get the phone out and record!!!! Nobody got the kid out of there. What is wrong with people?

 

[IrishLax]

I am not sure what to think of that whole scene... People video taping it, the girl commenting how horrible it is but you know, get a picture. Not one person stepping in? The kid is going to grow up to be a punk. Walmart.

So many things wrong.

Worst thing, by far, is that no one turned their camera phone the correct direction to have a good aspect ratio.

 

[GowerND11]

Worst thing, by far, is that no one turned their camera phone the correct direction to have a good aspect ratio.

That was my number 1 in my list haha...

 

[nlroma1o]

Boy am I proud to be a Hoosier..... smgdh..... I'm surprised they both didn't have heart attacks during the fight.

The best part is the Mom screams "Wheres my CART!" at the end of the fight. Like she's going to just nonchalantly continue her shopping after getting into a fist fight in aisle 9.

 

[ulukinatme]

Terrible. This is why I don't ever go to Wal-Mart. Freakin trash....all of them. Not one of the "men" chose to break it up. Instead, let's get the phone out and record!!!! Nobody got the kid out of there. What is wrong with people?

This is Wal-Mart we're talking about here. If you break up that fight as a man you're probably going to be hit with a lawsuit for putting your hands on one of the women. I probably wouldn't have recorded it, but I'm not sure I would have broken it up as a man either.

 

[JughedJones]

This is Wal-Mart we're talking about here. If you break up that fight as a man you're probably going to be hit with a lawsuit for putting your hands on one of the women. I probably wouldn't have recorded it, but I'm not sure I would have broken it up as a man either.

Whatever.

That no one grabbed that kid is insane.

Fuck a lawsuit... do the right thing.

 

[Wild Bill]

Whatever.

That no one grabbed that kid is insane.

Fuck a lawsuit... do the right thing.

White people never do the right thing.

 

[IrishLax]

Whatever.

That no one grabbed that kid is insane.

Fuck a lawsuit... do the right thing.

If I'm being honest, I would not have stepped in. I'm no lawyer, but I know of doctors who step in and save someone's life getting sued for hurting their chest during CPR. Step into a fight involving trailer trash and risk getting arrested? Grab someone's kid? No way. Only can end badly for you legally... and that's the kind of country we live in.

It's Walmart's responsibility to have security that takes care of something like that... and I promise you they have a corporate policy against employees trying to break up a fight.

 

[ulukinatme]

Whatever.

That no one grabbed that kid is insane.

Fuck a lawsuit... do the right thing.

Yeah, the kid should have been removed, and CPS certainly should be involved.

Also, it's not "fuck a lawsuit" it's "lawsuit fucks you."

 

[kmoose]

If I'm being honest, I would not have stepped in. I'm no lawyer, but I know of doctors who step in and save someone's life getting sued for hurting their chest during CPR. Step into a fight involving trailer trash and risk getting arrested? Grab someone's kid? No way. Only can end badly for you legally... and that's the kind of country we live in.

It's Walmart's responsibility to have security that takes care of something like that... and I promise you they have a corporate policy against employees trying to break up a fight.

I think I probably would have enlisted the assistance of one other male, and physically separated the two women. But I'm not sure I would have actually laid hands on the kid. Encourage him to step away, verbally? Sure. But probably not physically remove him.

 

[nlroma1o]

Yeah, the kid should have been removed, and CPS certainly should be involved.

Also, it's not "fuck a lawsuit" it's "lawsuit fucks you."

BINGO!!!

 

[pkt77242]

If I'm being honest, I would not have stepped in. I'm no lawyer, but I know of doctors who step in and save someone's life getting sued for hurting their chest during CPR. Step into a fight involving trailer trash and risk getting arrested? Grab someone's kid? No way. Only can end badly for you legally... and that's the kind of country we live in.

It's Walmart's responsibility to have security that takes care of something like that... and I promise you they have a corporate policy against employees trying to break up a fight.

Usually doctors are protected by Good Samaritan laws when performing CPR off duty.

Liability under “Good Samaritan” Laws

Good Samaritan laws generally provide basic legal protection for those who assist a person who is injured or in danger. In essence, these laws protect the “Good Samaritan” from liability if unintended consequences result from their assistance. All 50 states and the District of Columbia have some type of Good Samaritan law. Who is protected under these laws (physicians, emergency medical technicians, and other first responders) and how these laws are implemented vary from state to state. In addition, some states extend Good Samaritan liability protection to cover business and nonprofit entities acting during an emergency

For a physician to be protected from liability in a Good Samaritan situation, the following conditions usually must be met:

The person needing assistance should be in “imminent peril” or danger.
The physician’s actions should not be negligent and should be in the realm of what a “reasonable response” would be.
The physician’s actions should be based on good faith and not on receiving or having the knowledge of receiving some form of compensation.

Good Samaritan laws do not automatically exempt someone from liability. For example, these laws will not do the following:

cover activity during performance of regular or assigned job duties
provide protection from liability in a federal civil rights lawsuit
provide protection for volunteer athletic events
provide protection from liability if it is declared that the physician acted in a negligent manner or out of the scope of his or her training

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm with Uluk, I mean, I try to do the right thing whenever possible, but I'm also not risking my family's well being for just about anyone... and I don't trust the stereotypical Walmart shopper for anything... in fact I've been in a Walmart when stuff similar to this is going down... I flagged down the nearest employee and then bolted in the other direction. Sad reality.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm with Uluk, I mean, I try to do the right thing whenever possible, but I'm also not risking my family's well being for just about anyone... and I don't trust the stereotypical Walmart shopper for anything... in fact I've been in a Walmart when stuff similar to this is going down... I flagged down the nearest employee and then bolted in the other direction. Sad reality.

Yep, that is probably how I would handle it.

 

[IrishLax]

Usually doctors are protected by Good Samaritan laws when performing CPR off duty.

Liability under “Good Samaritan” Laws

Yup, but that doesn't stop the suit from being filed and you having to waste your time/money fighting it.

 

[IrishLion]

I shop at Walmart for their reasonably-priced DVD's and Blu-Rays. If there's a movie I absolutely need in my collection, Walmart is my first stop.

Other than that, nah.

 

[ACamp1900]

I shop at Walmart for their reasonably-priced DVD's and Blu-Rays. If there's a movie I absolutely need in my collection, Walmart is my first stop.

Other than that, nah.

I have a Super Target and a Walmart right down the HWY from me... I actually find Walmart's Blu Rays to be very overpriced compared to Best Buy or Target... the only thing I really ever shop at Walmart for is pool supplies, their pool supplies are stupid cheap in comparison to just about anyone else I know of.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So for those who say they wouldn't step in to stop this fight.....at what point would you step in? When would the danger to the lady (I use that term loosely) on the bottom be great enough for you to attempt to help her?

 

[IrishLion]

I have a Super Target and a Walmart right down the HWY from me... I actually find Walmart's Blu Rays to be very overpriced compared to Best Buy or Target... the only thing I really ever shop at Walmart for is pool supplies, their pool supplies are stupid cheap in comparison to just about anyone else I know of.

Target is my favorite place, but for some reason the Target near me has a terrible DVD/Blu-Ray selection. They are late getting new releases, and their super-cheap older movie selection is lacking compared to others that I've been to.

So for those who say they wouldn't step in to stop this fight.....at what point would you step in? When would the danger to the lady (I use that term loosely) on the bottom be great enough for you to attempt to help her?

If it ever went further than simply walruses rolling around and pulling hair, and became clear that serious injury was imminent.

 

[Wild Bill]

So for those who say they wouldn't step in to stop this fight.....at what point would you step in? When would the danger to the lady (I use that term loosely) on the bottom be great enough for you to attempt to help her?

The key factor here, IMO, is whether or not I witnessed the initial argument and knew the two twits were willingly fighting one another. If so, I would have immediately walked away to avoid any potential liability. So even if it got to a level so egregious a reasonable person would have to intervene, I wouldn't have been there to see it and act.

However, if I didn't see the argument and I simply saw one woman pummeling another woman on the floor I would do my best to separate the two.

 

[nlroma1o]

Target is my favorite place, but for some reason the Target near me has a terrible DVD/Blu-Ray selection. They are late getting new releases, and their super-cheap older movie selection is lacking compared to others that I've been to.



If it ever went further than simply walruses rolling around and pulling hair, and became clear that serious injury was imminent.

Annnnnd I just spit coffee out all over my keyboard. Thanks for that lol Reps

 

[pkt77242]

So for those who say they wouldn't step in to stop this fight.....at what point would you step in? When would the danger to the lady (I use that term loosely) on the bottom be great enough for you to attempt to help her?

It is a complete judgement call, and it is hard to define the line but you know it when you see it (kind of like porn) and that line is probably different for everyone.

 

[Henges24]

This would have never happened at Meijer.

 

[Irish Insanity]

This would have never happened at Meijer.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[ulukinatme]

So for those who say they wouldn't step in to stop this fight.....at what point would you step in? When would the danger to the lady (I use that term loosely) on the bottom be great enough for you to attempt to help her?

I think UFC/boxing rules apply. Both women look to have gone into the argument open to physicality. If one of the women was unable to defend herself, IE not throwing punches, not pulling the other's hair, and certainly if she was not moving at all or unconscious I'd do what I could to step in at that point before things got worse. It's hard to tell, but it looks like throughout the scuffle the woman on bottom had the other one's hair, so she was at least conscious and trying to fight back despite being in a terrible position to do so.

In this particular fight, once they separated at the end and the guy stepped in between them...that would have been me.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't know about this. I did not watch the video, but aside from making sure the kid was out of harm's way, why should anyone step in and break it up? About the only time I'd step in to break up a fight is if one side is clearly outmatched and getting his ass handed to him (e.g. multiple people pounding on one person or someone who is on the ground and not a threat but the other person continues to beat on him). Apart from that, if two grown adults want to beat on each other over some real or perceived injustice, and no innocent bystanders are put in danger, let 'em go at it. We're supposed to expect regular people to step in and risk getting their asses kicked because the tried to play hero? I spent a good while in the bar/night club business, so I've broken up my fair share of fights. If you don't do it right, you can cause more harm then good by stepping in, by escalating the situation and having three combatants instead of two. Just dial 911 and let the idiots wear themselves out after a minute or so, and will be too busy sucking wind with their hands on their knees to cause anymore problems.

What if they threaten everybody that was watching with a child endangerment charge, for not responding when the kid was in harms way?

Right, totally agree. If somebody is getting badly beaten, then I think bystanders should intervene, but those women were slap-fighting and wrestling; it did not appear that either was getting badly hurt, even the one that was pinned. I think intervening may have done more harm than good.



That seems more likely to me than some sort of failure to intervene, but still a bit weak.

Disagree about the level of danger. The one woman was face down and taking multiple blows to the head from the other. To add, the kid is beating her in the head with cans of white rain.....

To add, the child was right there. What if the woman on the bottom, while defending herself rears up, grabs a can off the shelf, and the kid accidentally gets in the way.

This is Wal-Mart we're talking about here. If you break up that fight as a man you're probably going to be hit with a lawsuit for putting your hands on one of the women. I probably wouldn't have recorded it, but I'm not sure I would have broken it up as a man either.

Here's the deal. The news reported that the police were looking whether to file charges against the combatants and the onlookers. Apparently there may be some type of law on the books where you can be charged if you don't assist. I don't know for sure, just reporting what was reported. Tracking down the onlookers may be hard to do and not worth the time.

As far as doctor's getting sued for stepping in to help victims, there are a number of states passing laws (above the GS law) to prohibit people from suing trained medical personnel who help accident victims. This is to prevent the issue from ever getting filed as a lawsuit.

I only shop at Wal Mart if I need to pick something up quickly during lunch since it's right by work. I can't believe the number of people who enter through the exit and exit through the entrance. They look at you like you're a weirdo when you don't move out of their way. I also believe your IQ automatically drops 50 points the minute you step through their doors. For some of us it gets restored once you leave, but there are many that are not that fortunate.

 

[NDohio]

I think I probably would have enlisted the assistance of one other male, and physically separated the two women. But I'm not sure I would have actually laid hands on the kid. Encourage him to step away, verbally? Sure. But probably not physically remove him.

Somebody did do that late in the video. The kid's response was "you can't tell me what to do!"

No way I am stepping in and putting my hands on that kid to try and get him out of there. I like me house...

Feel really sorry for him having to grow up in the environment he is in.

 

[Irish#1]

This would have never happened at Meijer.

You're right. That's where we shop.

 

[GowerND11]

Here's the deal. The news reported that the police were looking whether to file charges against the combatants and the onlookers. Apparently there may be some type of law on the books where you can be charged if you don't assist. I don't know for sure, just reporting what was reported. Tracking down the onlookers may be hard to do and not worth the time.

As far as doctor's getting sued for stepping in to help victims, there are a number of states passing laws to prohibit people from suing trained medical personnel who help accident victims.

I only shop at Wal Mart if I need to pick something up quickly during lunch since it's right by work. I can't believe the number of people who enter through the exit and exit through the entrance. They look at you like you're a weirdo when you don't move out of their way. I also believe your IQ automatically drops 50 points the minute you step through their doors. For some of us it gets restored once you leave, but there are many that are not that fortunate.

Just ask the gang....

 

[ulukinatme]

Here's the deal. The news reported that the police were looking whether to file charges against the combatants and the onlookers. Apparently there may be some type of law on the books where you can be charged if you don't assist. I don't know for sure, just reporting what was reported. Tracking down the onlookers may be hard to do and not worth the time.

I can't imagine the charge would be greater than a misdemeanor for watching a fight take place. I'd take the small fine over a possible court appearance and major legal fees/damages. They'd probably have a hell of a time tracking down everyone that watched the fight too, unless they were still around when the police came to take statements. Bottom line - I'm not going to step in unless one of them is unable to defend themselves and the other is still attacking.