2015 National Signing Day Thread 2/4/15

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Ideal world- Folston continues his development and is any every down, all game, stud. Bryant finally gets/earns it for a dangerous two punch.

Both get to redshirt.

But Adams more likely IMO.

Who is going to run the ball when we are beating UMass by 50 in the 3rd quarter? One of them has to play. Based on BK's comments today, Adams would definitely seem more likely.

On a related note, I don't think preserving a year of eligibility is that important for a RB. How many impact guys actually stick around for 5 years at that position?
 

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Im super happy with our class this year. No major drama and last second defections. Overall, a very successful day where we added a ton of talent especially on Offense.
 

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What Signing a LOI can mean

What Signing a LOI can mean

Kirby Choates, a lifelong Georgia Bulldog fan, watched as Georgia verbals decommitted. Choates, rated by 247, as the 837th best player had offers from Georgia Southern, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Western Carolina, and Texas Southern. As room was created, Choates got the offer today from Mark Richt, which he accepted on the spot. Choates will be the first one of his family to go to college - and goes to his dream school.

National Signing Day: Interview With UGA Signee Kirby Choates

That's what Signing Day means. Congratulations!
 

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Im super happy with our class this year. No major drama and last second defections. Overall, a very successful day where we added a ton of talent especially on Offense.

You assume Mora hasn't already set his sights on regaining Jones after signing day.
 

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Besides Alize Jones, who most expect will see the field in 2015, who of the Shamrock Soldiers has the best chance to crack the two-deep before Texas in week 1?

Coney probably, but on Special Teams I think Fertitta will get a lot of playing time right away.
 

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Kirby Choates, a lifelong Georgia Bulldog fan, watched as Georgia verbals decommitted. Choates, rated by 247, as the 837th best player had offers from Georgia Southern, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Western Carolina, and Texas Southern. As room was created, Choates got the offer today from Mark Richt, which he accepted on the spot. Choates will be the first one of his family to go to college - and goes to his dream school.

National Signing Day: Interview With UGA Signee Kirby Choates

That's what Signing Day means. Congratulations!

Richt looking for practice bodies.
 
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Rivals graded our defensive class.

A= playoff potential
B= top 10 potential
C= top 25 potential
D= bowl eligible Potential

DL = C
LB =A-
CB= B-
Safety= C
 

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The beauty of the Shamrock Soldiers is, as of right now, we don't need any of them except Justin Yoon (our lowest ranked recruit on the 247 composite) to contribute in 2015. Injuries, transfers, etc could/probably will change things but our two-deep is impressive as it is with signees from '12, '13 and '14, as well as the 5Y players we'll add soon.

Besides Alize Jones, who most expect will see the field in 2015, who of the Shamrock Soldiers has the best chance to crack the two-deep before Texas in week 1?


Tillery
 

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Who is going to run the ball when we are beating UMass by 50 in the 3rd quarter? One of them has to play. Based on BK's comments today, Adams would definitely seem more likely.

On a related note, I don't think preserving a year of eligibility is that important for a RB. How many impact guys actually stick around for 5 years at that position?

If we are up by 50 in the third I hope we are playing walk ons to be honest.

I know one of the two is gna play and I would guess neither RS as they both should play ST.

And I agree a RS for a rb is rarely needed but usually used in injury situations.
 

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By the opener, this is my guess at who is getting legit PT:

QB: none
RB: none...Williams may be #3 on depth chart but don't see legit carries coming in a close game in week 1
WR: Sanders...here's hoping he's used better than Neal...
TE: I think Jones definitely plays early in 2 TE sets
OL: none
DL: I think Tillery earns snaps this spring with Jarron out
LB: I think all 3 are on ST and maybe Coney/Barajas cracks 2-deep
CB: Crawford will get some snaps
S: Feritta on ST for sure, maybe used situationally blitzing or on 3rd and longs. Williams maybe ST
K: obvi Yoon will be starting
 

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I think all the DB should be on ST immediately, just my opinion.
 

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By the opener, this is my guess at who is getting legit PT:

QB: none
RB: none...Williams may be #3 on depth chart but don't see legit carries coming in a close game in week 1
WR: Sanders...here's hoping he's used better than Neal...
TE: I think Jones definitely plays early in 2 TE sets
OL: none
DL: I think Tillery earns snaps this spring with Jarron out
LB: I think all 3 are on ST and maybe Coney/Barajas cracks 2-deep
CB: Crawford will get some snaps
S: Feritta on ST for sure, maybe used situationally blitzing or on 3rd and longs. Williams maybe ST
K: obvi Yoon will be starting

Newsome going to punt or is he not in the mix?
 

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https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1733752&PT=4&PR=2

ND 2015 class is #11 in Rivals, but higher per/player ranking than all but top 6. FWIW. (UCLA and OKY below ND, but higher per/player ranking than ND.)

To be honest, we probably should be rated higher per player than what we are on this. Wimbush not getting a 5th star for example is crazy because had he played in CA or FL with his stats he'd be top 10 players in the country. Was his competition not as great, probably, but the fact is he ran through the competition so greatly it's likely he was downgraded for being from NJ.
 
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Check out Navy, ranked 99th on this list of class rankings on Scout. The size of their incoming class would make even the biggest SEC homer blush. 50 in the class? I'd like to know how that is tallied.

Scout.com: Football Recruiting
 

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Check out Navy, ranked 99th on this list of class rankings on Scout. The size of their incoming class would make even the biggest SEC homer blush. 50 in the class? I'd like to know how that is tallied.

Scout.com: Football Recruiting

In my opinion, As long as their players have the military commitment, they should be able to sign as many players as they want.
 

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Check out Navy, ranked 99th on this list of class rankings on Scout. The size of their incoming class would make even the biggest SEC homer blush. 50 in the class? I'd like to know how that is tallied.

Scout.com: Football Recruiting

I could be wrong but they don't give out athletic scholarships. Everyone who goes to the academies goes for free in return for service after graduation, thus they aren't hampered by the 25 or 85 man limit.
 

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In my opinion, As long as their players have the military commitment, they should be able to sign as many players as they want.

I'm inclined to agree with you, let them take 150 if they want, but that leaves me with a lot of questions though. Navy is under the same restrictions other schools are when it comes to 85 scholarship players, correct? I wonder how that works with military...my guess is these kids are exempt in some cases from football scholarships as Uncle Sam is paying for some of them as cadets and not football players? I don't know. Does Navy traditionally lose players to deployment prior to their senior year...and they finish their degree later? Makes me curious how they operate.

[EDIT] Looks like pkt answered one of those questions, I figured as much.
 

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I'm inclined to agree with you, let them take 150 if they want, but that leaves me with a lot of questions though. Navy is under the same restrictions other schools are when it comes to 85 scholarship players, correct? I wonder how that works with military...my guess is these kids are exempt in some cases from football scholarships as Uncle Sam is paying for some of them as cadets and not football players? I don't know. Does Navy traditionally lose players to deployment prior to their senior year...and they finish their degree later? Makes me curious how they operate.

[EDIT] Looks like pkt answered one of those questions, I figured as much.

I found this response on the google-machine. A guy asked about it because his grandson was offered to play football for Navy. Interesting stuff.

First of all; there is no such thing as a football scholarship to the academy. You can be "Offered" an appointment. That appointment is no different than any other applicant who gets an appointment to the academy.

Next; even though your grand son may be offered an appointment to the academy, he STILL has to meet all the same requirements that every other applicant applying to the academy must meet. Including minimum grades, test scores, medical clearance, nomination by a congressman/president/etc... There are no differences.

Yes; if he receives the appointment to the academy, he is committed after graduation to a minimum of 5 years of service as a commissioned officer in that branch of service that he attended the academy.

The only difference between being a "Recruited Athlete"; which is what your grandson would be; and a traditional applicant applying to the academy; is that there are some slots held for athletes, and if the academy wants him bad enough, they will help him through the application process. But make no mistake about it, it is NOT THE SAME as receiving an athletic scholarship.

And just so you know; the average college gives out about 18-20 athletic scholarships a year for football. These are in fact PAID SCHOLARSHIPS. Which means, that the school/team obviously will play him. They are after all paying his college tuition. At the academy, because there is no such thing as an athletic scholarship, and they are recruiting for future "MILITARY OFFICERS"; they can and generally do recruit approximately 50-60 football players each year. Of which half will not be on the team by their Junior year. But, because these AREN'T Athletic Scholarships, the individual is still going to school at the academy and will still have a 5 year commitment to the military after graduation. It's also not uncommon for many applicants who are athletes to get to the academy and immediately quit the athletics and be "Normal" students. Military academy cadets who are also athletes, have a very intense and demanding life at the academy. They have to perform just like every other cadet. They have to maintain the same GPA as all other cadets. They have the same training as all other cadets. And then....... when all the classroom and military stuff is done; they will have about 3 hours a day of training for their sport. They WON'T be allowed to have the same off duty or off season time off that most cadets have. Football players will be discouraged by their coaches to do anything that could potentially cause an injury; such as going skiing with their friends; parachuting; etc....

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SBNation's Ian Boyd just published an article titled "How to evaluate your favorite team's recruiting class":

The recruiting services make a lot of money by ranking the recruiting classes and analysts often draw big conclusions from simply looking at which teams consistently finish in the top 10. It's all very tidy and convenient but how much should we really credit the services for telling us that the biggest and most powerful programs are successfully grabbing the high school talents that everyone wants? How much can we actually learn from this?

The answer should be, not much.

If you wanted to use the class rankings for something more exact, like predicting which non-blueblood programs would break into the top 10 in a given year, or which top recruiting programs have the best players, you'd be up a creek. That's because the class rankings are entirely unscientific in their process, which is as simple as looking at the total number of committed players or "average star ranking" for the players in a given class.

If you root for a team like Alabama, rest assured that your team probably signed several really good players that will play a large role in helping the Tide compete for SEC and national titles in the coming years. If you root for anyone else? The class rankings are fairly useless as a prognostication tool save to tell you if your program is gaining or losing ground in the eyes of the most obviously talented high school players.

Evaluating classes in a more exact and useful way requires a great deal of work, but fans of a team can often get a better glimpse into their own class than others, if they are willing to take off the shaded glasses and do some homework. Here's how to evaluate your signing day class:

Part 1: Know your own team

The success of individual talents is far, far more dependent on context than is commonly assumed. For instance, if you track the hit rate for Oklahoma and Texas in signing and developing quarterbacks in the Mack Brown and Bob Stoops eras you'll see that each team signed a starting-caliber player with around 50% of their recruits.

That means that to consistently have upperclassmen QBs on the team who are good enough to start, those teams probably needed to sign 1.5 quarterbacks in every class.

On the other hand, look at Art Briles' Baylor program and you'll see that he doesn't always even take a quarterback in each class and the first three guys he recruited to play quarterback, Robert Griffin III, Nick Florence, and Bryce Petty, each had seasons where they threw for 4k yards. That's quite the hit rate.

Is Briles and the Baylor staff THAT much better at evaluating and recruiting quarterbacks than the staffs at Texas and OU, or the greater scouting community? It's more likely that the Baylor context is just better for developing and utilizing quarterbacks.

Every team has idiosyncrasies like this that make a huge difference in determining whether they've done a good job signing a class. To understand them, you need to answer a few questions about your team's program.

1. What is your team's overall strategy?

Are they a team that likes to recruit speed all over the field and then develop it once the players are on campus like TCU? Is it a punishing power team that wants kids with big frames that will run over their opponents like LSU?

Perhaps your team wants to win games by being the toughest team in the league (Stanford), or the smartest and most disciplined (Kansas State). Is it a team that wins more on the strength of the offense or the defense? Which units on offense or defense are generally relied upon the most? The team's identity has a lot to do with the types of players they need to find and sign.

2. What are your team's preferred schemes?

Understanding the different techniques and schemes your team uses helps a great deal in understanding how certain players fit. The hodgepodge collection of offensive linemen that Boise State tends to sign makes sense when you understand that they run a lot of schemes that ask their OL to either block at angles or get out and move in space. That means that all of their OL takes are going to share the trait of being mobile enough to move around in space.

If your team runs a two-gap front you're probably going to see them load up on bigger, powerful DL that can anchor at the point of attack. What will your team ask its players to do on the field?

3. What types of positions does your team use well?

Teams are often built around the types of players that the head coach or particular assistants develop really well. Art Briles puts a lot of focus on his quarterbacks and does a great job, which generally means he can afford to skimp on numbers at that position while using the freed up scholarships to grab a spot that perhaps Baylor doesn't develop as well. Another coach might put a lot of onus on his OL but then also snatch up large numbers of them to ensure that he can count on them being a team strength.

LSU has been looking to own the moniker of "DB U" (meaning, defensive back university) and look to have dominant defensive backs on their roster at all times. Did they sign many of those this year? How do those kids look?

All of these questions get you to the real crux of the matter, the final question:

4. Where does your team need to be great and where can you settle on having role players?

Part of the problem with class rankings is that there aren't many systems in football that require a star at every position, most teams are a collection of role players built around a few true stars. It's not uncommon for a team of three-star players to be stronger than higher ranked teams simply because, while those three-star players may have had lower ceilings on their talent, they actually were able to maximize that ceiling at the University they attended and served as valuable role players.

Will the four or five-star player be willing to develop the skills and understanding to serve as a cog on a team? Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the team with less talented receivers who actually run the routes they're supposed to run the way way they're supposed to run them will produce the better passing game than the team of divas where everyone thinks they should be on the Biletnikoff watch list.

Then there are the spots where a team needs play-makers. Georgia goes after star running backs every year for many good reasons, but amongst them is the fact that their running game is a big part of the offense and it requires a tailback that can do real damage. Oregon needs linebackers who can make an impact on the pass-rush in their 3-4 defense. Baylor has to have wide receivers who can run past people.

Where does your team need playmakers and where do they just need role players? Are they signing kids that can fill the gaps when it's their turn to shine?

Part 2: Know the incoming class

At this point watching tape on the incoming players, checking out their SPARQ numbers, listening to scouting impressions, and all of that becomes valuable. If you don't understand the context they are walking into, they are just talented 18 year olds who could still become just about anything.

Now, it's fun when your team signs the big time four/five-star player that all your regional rivals desperately coveted, but remember that how these kids fit into the program will have more to do with their upside than whether they ran the best 40 time of any WR in the state.

Here are the questions to ask in order to evaluate a given class:

1. Where are the numbers concentrated?

Is your team have an offensive-minded strategy? How did they mitigate the numbers in this class? Did they undersign on offense to ensure that more players are available on defense, or did they make sure they had the pieces to put together a dominant attack?

Where does the team need numbers in light of previous signing day classes or graduation/attrition?

2. How do the players move?

When college coaches watch a player's highlight tape the first thing they are looking for is how the player moves. Is he stiff when he tries to change direction? Does that OL have quick feet? Does that DL have violent and active hands? How quick off the ball is he?

Things like fluidity, coordination, and change of direction can be apparent on film and will tell you a lot more than whether a running back can outrun the much slower kids in his district when he finds an open hole. Instead look for how easy and fluid his gait is, how well he can change direction or turn, and how much power he can generate in a few steps if he has to run someone over.

3. Which players have untapped upside?

There are lots of ways to determine if a player has a lot of unrealized potential that the services can commonly miss on. To begin with, players that get four or five star ratings get them because they are more of a "sure thing" to be successful in college.

The 6'5" 220 pound defensive end from nowhere, WI who was a star in multiple sports in a tiny town is not a "sure thing" for recruiting services. Few scouts will have watched that player much, he may not have attended the camps where scouts congregate, and his weight is far short of what it needs to be in order for him to have success at that position.

However, you take a kid with the coordination to play hockey, basketball, football, baseball, and track and a frame that can pack on considerably more weight and you have a player with a lot of potential upside, even if they are only given two stars. Give that kid a few years of college coaching and conditioning and suddenly you're looking at JJ Watt.

Alternatively, there's the linebacker from a powerhouse suburban program who was the state's leading tackler but stands at 5'11", 220 pounds and has received top level coaching for years. How much better will he get when his level of competition increases but his own body has already reached its peak?

The frame of a player says a lot about where he'll be after a few years of college. Is he shaving yet, how close to his final size is he? How wide are the shoulders and how thick are the wrists, is there room on his frame to add good muscle weight? Some 250 pound offensive linemen get to college and balloon to 300 pounds without any major effort, others have to eat cheeseburgers after every dinner to get there.

This is the same reason JUCO recruits rarely rate above three stars even if they end up being more consistent performers than high schoolers. You generally know what a JUCO player's upside is but you can always be optimistic about a high school senior.

4. Where does everyone fit?

There will always be athletes that have rare athleticism and coordination but either have a lot of growing left to do or perhaps played quarterback or running back for their team in high school so they could be featured, but actually have more upside at another position in college. Teams will often just get these kids on campus and figure it out later.

That said, each player in a recruiting class should have traits that allow them to be projected to at least one position in your team's offensive or defensive schemes. If your team uses a spread passing attack did they sign receivers with quick change of direction, good spatial awareness, and reliable hands that can serve as slot receivers?

Can the quarterback run the ball in your option schemes? Can he hit passing windows downfield in your vertical passing game?

There may be five different four-star linebackers that were available for your team, but which ones are the best at reading the backfield like your team asks of its linebackers? Which of the numerous safeties available has the quickness to handle the coverage assignments your team likes to give its safeties? Are those the players your team ended up signing?

Once this question is answered it will set you up to answer the ultimate signing day question:

How did my team do in recruiting this year?

Did your team load up with players that have the skills and athleticism to thrive in your schemes? How much untapped upside exists in your team's takes? Can they be developed into stars or are they all just role players?

Does your team have players that will become role players? Is their star power and athleticism at the positions where your team needs to be excellent?

Journey back to 2011 and take a look at Michigan State's recruiting class, which ranked 32nd in the nation by 247 and 7th in the Big 10. They took 21 players in that class who ended up serving as the backbone for the 2014 team that were Big 10 runner-ups.

Take a look at the nine eventual starters that Michigan State signed in 2011 and where they ended up in 2014:

Obviously, the class ranking and designations on national signing day weren't terribly helpful for projecting the Spartan players. However, if you had been watching the Spartans and understood their team's identity and strategy, then scouted the players they signed and how they fit into that context, you would likely have had a better sense of the fact that they did a good job in 2011 of getting the right kind of players to have success.

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What about your team? How are they shaping up for NSD: 2015?
 

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I found this response on the google-machine. A guy asked about it because his grandson was offered to play football for Navy. Interesting stuff.



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Wow, so that answers the questions and then some. So, of course Uncle Sam pays for all the athletes that Navy picks up, so none of them are really on "football scholarship." As such they're not bound by the 85 roster limit, or the 25 spots per class. On top of that, they DO lose a number of players to service or attrition (Drop off team to become regular cadets and students) before their Junior year. It makes sense, just was never really familiar with how all that goes since some players play for Navy for 4 years (Sometimes felt like more if they were good) before they went on to do their required service.
 
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