I am not Jeff Long. You can look when I joined IE if you want. I thought the article was interesting in that by beating Ole Miss, the #3 team, LSU with two losses jumps one loss Nebraska, Utah, Duke and all the other two loss teams. LSU was unranked the week before. With all the other rankings listed, you can see where the BCS computer formula would probably follow that thinking.
I am not Jeff Long. You can look when I joined IE if you want. I thought the article was interesting in that by beating Ole Miss, the #3 team, LSU with two losses jumps one loss Nebraska, Utah, Duke and all the other two loss teams. LSU was unranked the week before. With all the other rankings listed, you can see where the BCS computer formula would probably follow that thinking.
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I think it's better to have some cupcake wins with one or two really good wins than to have an entire season full of just okay wins. Our ranking right now is entirely Stanford's fault.
That said, I hate the way strength of schedule is viewed in this context. Scheduling teams that are SUPPOSED to be good should get you some respect. Notre Dame can't control whether Stanford, USC, and Purdue all decide to suck in the same season.
that Jeff Long said we more than likely would have been ranked worse but not for the "good loss" to FSU is worrisome.
we need to be undefeated to make this new final 4---and have 3 or less undefeated teams.
there is and will be no benefit of the doubut in that room for ND, of this i am convinced. they will put us in only if they HAVE to, begrudgingly, with one hand holding their noses.
we need to be undefeated to make this new final 4---and have 3 or less undefeated teams.
there is and will be no benefit of the doubut in that room for ND, of this i am convinced. they will put us in only if they HAVE to, begrudgingly, with one hand holding their noses.
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While I agree, how is Notre Dame supposed to do that in today's CFB world? I mean, before the season, we had four "tier 1" opponents.
- Michigan
- Stanford
- Florida St
- USC
People were bitching high and low about that being way too many and that when you add teams like UNC, Louisville and Northwestern... that it was far too punishing of a season. Now look at us. Only Florida St is any good out of the four and we are hoping that USC or Louisville holds on to a decent ranking so we can get a second quality win.
How the system is set up now, is that you have to be in the SEC to be guaranteed the games needed to get the benefit of the doubt. They don't value the other conference and certainly dont value our independence. So it is impossible for us to simply "schedule 2 really good opponents surrounded by cupcakes", as those two tier one opponents could end up sucking (ie Michigan) and leaving you with a terrible schedule.
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And worse yet, those first tier teams that suck still have the talent to beat you on any given Saturday. So we're going into a game against UNC, who has enough talent to beat most teams across the country, with nothing to gain and everything to lose. Instead, we can schedule four shit teams and beat their brains out. Sure, we won't gain much but we don't risk anything either.
Those four cupcakes makes difficult games and the season as a whole much more manageable too. We're over here grinding it out on our asses against Stanford and UNC before FSU while Sparty is playing grab ass with Eastern Michigan and Wyoming before their difficult game against the Huskers.
Conference play and choice of non-conference opponents certainly impacts the CFP standings. As an example, the SEC will not play the Pac12. That lowers the Pac 12 strength of schedule.
We have Wisconsin, who now has two losses, nearly beating LSU, now ranked 19th. Georgia, in a perceived weak SEC East, beat Arkansas by twelve more points than Alabama did.
Until the SEC teams open up their non-conference schedules to other strong conferences and strong teams, I think we will see perception as a factor in the first couple of weeks in addition to that impact on other teams' strength of schedule.
Texas A&M looked like they were getting away from their Texas school scheduling home-and-homes with UCLA and Oregon - but then dropped Oregon in favor of Clemson. Why didn't Alabama schedule a home-and-home with USC? Georgia was the only SEC school interested in playing a home-and-home with ND?
Until we hear otherwise, we have to assume this trend will continue with slight changes. Somebody should say that the SEC will play anyone, anywhere, anytime.
We have Wisconsin, who now has two losses, nearly beating LSU, now ranked 19th. Georgia, in a perceived weak SEC East, beat Arkansas by twelve more points than Alabama did.
Until the SEC teams open up their non-conference schedules to other strong conferences and strong teams, I think we will see perception as a factor in the first couple of weeks in addition to that impact on other teams' strength of schedule.
Texas A&M looked like they were getting away from their Texas school scheduling home-and-homes with UCLA and Oregon - but then dropped Oregon in favor of Clemson. Why didn't Alabama schedule a home-and-home with USC? Georgia was the only SEC school interested in playing a home-and-home with ND?
Until we hear otherwise, we have to assume this trend will continue with slight changes. Somebody should say that the SEC will play anyone, anywhere, anytime.
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The SEC has mastered the cupcake scheduling. They leave 1 cupcake for November, it's brilliant really. Look at Alabama, they played sorry ass Tennessee, had a by week, then they play LSU and MSU, then have a bye wee....er I mean play Western Carolina then Auburn. This year playing LSU and MSU back to back looks like a grind but historically that's almost another bye week.
The SEC has mastered the idea of scheduling cream puffs in between tough opponents and saving that other FCS game for November. It's so much easier to only get up for 2 or 3 big games and have easier opponents throughout the year. Our schedule is full of 11 teams that could beat you on their best day or at least take you all the way down to the wire. Alabama, Georgia, etc. start the year off knowing they have anywhere from 5-7 guaranteed wins on their schedule.
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This is why we were the number 10 team.
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Gonna drop even if we win this, and deservedly so.
+1. If anyone complains they haven't been watching this shit.
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Not a top 4 team tonight
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Deservedly so. Hopefully we can have UGAs spot.
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You know what makes me sick? Ole Miss plays Presbyterian next week...
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we really need ucla to beat AZ
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They are getting a huge laugh out of this
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I'm throwing out a prediction of 12. That's my guess.
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Win out and we'll be in. Probably at 9 or 10 after this week.
I wonder if Arizona would jump us with a win over UCLA #22.
I wonder if Arizona would jump us with a win over UCLA #22.
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I'm thinking we stay put or drop back to 11. Dont know that Ole Miss will drop behind us even with two losses as they lost to the #3 team in a close game.
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Yeah! And we should stop being fans because the team is TERRIBLE! We should accept that the Sun Bowl is the best we could POSSIBLY do this year! With ENTHUSIASM, people! We're an AWFUL team and we should QUIT RIGHT NOW! DO I HEAR AN AMEN Y'ALL?
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Sherman, this isn't Atlanta.
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If ASU looks good I see them jumping us, KSU, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, hell they may even put Marshall ahead of us. I know it was Navy. A different D scheme. Something new for BVG. A 10 point win on the road. Gave up less rushing yards to them than OSU did, and held them to less than their average. But the committee won't be forgiving.
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It will be interesting to see where Ole Miss will land with 2 losses. They lost to the #3 team in close game, but ND lost to #2 in a close, controversial game and it didn't matter; we ended up at #10.
If they stay in the top 10, then number of losses really don't matter. It's number of quality wins. At one point do your losses eclipse your quality wins?
We need to just win the next fucking game. Geez
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we need to win the rest of our games... and we need some help.... geeeezzzz
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Well Arizona lost and ASU won so thats good. That sets up an important match up next week with both of us ranked in the 9-12 range. I know everyone is burning down the house and jumping off a bridge cause we just struggled like we always have against navy. I don't get why, we experience this every year, Navy will always be competitive against us and make it a tough game; you guys should understand that by now.
Anyway with the big match up next week, I'm still confident we will be in if we win out. Maybe Ole Miss is ahead of us next week, doesn't matter cause they wont be the following week if we beat ASU.
Anyway with the big match up next week, I'm still confident we will be in if we win out. Maybe Ole Miss is ahead of us next week, doesn't matter cause they wont be the following week if we beat ASU.