'14 IN WR Justin Brent (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[Irish2155]

There's a deadspin article with a pic of them in bed lol. Can't link from phone.

It's already been posted in this thread, unless it is a new/different picture.

 

[BobbyMac]

1. Not the first one?! How does an 18-19 year old kid from Speedway, IN. get involved with multiple porn stars? I've never known porn stars to be big Indy 500 fans, but the parties in the infield are legendary, especially back when they had the snake pit.

2. She's taking pics while he's asleep! Gives me a bad feeling. Lots of bad things could come from this.

A lot or porn star are in town during the 500 dancing at the clubs, just like Daytona, the Derby and the Final Four. They follow the parties. That being said, I doubt that's how she met him. It had to be social media like some have mentioned. I'm sure this is part of her marketing plan and as soon as she saw an ND player following her she jumped on it (pun intended). She's no dummy, she knows Notre Dame is Latin for, On National TV Every Week.

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[BobbyMac]

My response is the same. I have a morbid interest in the sexual vice industry, and have read a fair amount about it.



I'm with OMM, Rack and greyhammer. When this was just a TMZ story about their date at the Knick's game, it could be shrugged off with a wink and a chuckle. Now that there's a naked selfie of them in bed together, it may be reaching a point where ND has to take action. Not good for either the University or Justin.

Yesterday I was thinking about the odd power dynamics at work here. The vast majority of commercial sex workers were sexually abused as children, and hard drug use is rampant among them. It's a very exploitative industry. But between Justin and Lisa, the normal power dynamic is reversed-- she's 42, wealthy, and famous, while he's just a 19-year-old college freshman with a bright future in football. The fact that Lisa seems to seek out young athletes like Justin makes me wonder if she just enjoys the reversal, or whether she's just doing it for publicity. Either way, Justin is likely being used.

Which is fine, as far as it goes. But this is not the sort of publicity the University wants or needs. Fortunately, if Justin decides this isn't how he wants to present himself to the world (or that he wants to represent his University better), he can easily pass it off as a poor testosterone-fueled decision made a young man who was dazzled by the fame and beauty of an older woman. It happens all the time with powerful older men and young impressionable women. Can't see why it wouldn't be forgiven here for the same reason.

And for those of you who are inclined to blow this off, I would be very surprised if this isn't somehow a violation of du Lac. There's surely some broad language in it about scandalizing the University, regardless of where such action occurs. So if the administration comes to the conclusion that Justin's recent actions reflect poorly on the school, I doubt the fact that this happened in another state or that Justin himself didn't post the photos will make much difference.

Thank you for saving me 10 minutes. Well put.

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[GoldenChild]

Good for him, she was weird boobs but good for him. I hope he was using protection. I would hate for an std to begin spreading at Notre Dame.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Good for him, she was weird boobs but good for him. I hope he was using protection. I would hate for an std to begin spreading at Notre Dame.

Porn stars are regularly tested for STDs and are probably cleaner than most.

 

[BobbyMac]

The old king is dead? Child please.

I watched Sherm Stick watching it.

Koon,

I nominate you for post of the year. I'll probably still be laughing when I get out of the shower, a shower I'll need to wash away the filthy, despicable visual you've created.

Well played Mauer, well played.

 

[ResLife Hero]

And for those of you who are inclined to blow this off, I would be very surprised if this isn't somehow a violation of du Lac. There's surely some broad language in it about scandalizing the University, regardless of where such action occurs. So if the administration comes to the conclusion that Justin's recent actions reflect poorly on the school, I doubt the fact that this happened in another state or that Justin himself didn't post the photos will make much difference.

From Du Lac:

Sexual Activity
The University embraces the Catholic Church’s teaching that a genuine and complete expression of love through sex requires a commitment to a total living and sharing together of two persons in marriage. Consequently, students who engage in sexual union outside of marriage may be subject to referral to the University Conduct Process.

And from experience, Du Lac covers behavior while enrolled, not just on campus. There were always kids getting Res Lifes after breaks for DUIs or MIPs back home.

 

[Cackalacky]

C'mon, Old Man Mike! The guys on the football board agree that there is nothing wrong with a 20 year-old sleeping with a 42 year-old porn star, so there is obviously nothing wrong with it.

Massive assumption here. What is the moral issue here? He is a consenting adult acting on his own during his free personal time? Your personal displeasure has no relevance to his personal exercise of freedoms.

As we all know, morality is decided by a vote of whoever is in the room and shouts the loudest. So why does he have to be discreet?

False. Utterly. Brent's morality is not your morality. That is all. How he chooses to interact in a society full of differing moralities is another thing.

After all, there are antibiotics for this stuff, and random sex and porn aren't hurting anyone (we all know that from experience). So why not do whatever the hell you want and celebrate it!

Get with it!

Unfortunately there are not antibiotics for the curing of massive assumptions, holier than thou attitudes, and general misperceptions.

 

[Irish YJ]

As long as she didn't pay for his trips, I have no problem with it. Good for recruits see that you can have a good time at ND.

Getting a poon star to pay.... kid must have serious game.

 

[GoldenChild]

Porn stars are regularly tested for STDs and are probably cleaner than most.

How Will Porn Solve Its HIV Crisis? - The Daily Beast

Clearly they're no tested enough.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Nothing will help recruiting more than having a player get in trouble for premarital sex. 17 year olds will definitely choose ND knowing that they can't have sex.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Massive assumption here. What is the moral issue here? He is a consenting adult acting on his own during his free personal time? Your personal displeasure has no relevance to his personal exercise of freedoms.

False. Utterly. Brent's morality is not your morality. That is all. How he chooses to interact in a society full of differing moralities is another thing.


Unfortunately there are not antibiotics for the curing of massive assumptions, holier than thou attitudes, and general misperceptions.

What exactly do you think morality is? It is absurd to ask if something is moral, then posit that everyone gets to decide for himself what is moral. you can't have it both ways, you can't insist that there really is right and wrong, and simultaneously insist that everyone gets to decide what that is for themselves.

One popular view of sexual morality--one that Notre Dame obviously does not endorse-- is that everything consensual is fine. But just because you believe that, or lots of people believe that, doesn't actually mean it's true.

God forbid even one person still belive there are something's that are wrong, no matter who consents.

 

[Emcee77]

Ok, overnight this has gone from cheeky and fun to creepy....

And almost tragic.

JB, what are you doing?? ND will not be cool with this.

A date is one thing. Naked selfies in bed with a porn star is something totally different.

 

[Ndaccountant]

And almost tragic.

JB, what are you doing?? ND will not be cool with this.

A date is one thing. Naked selfies in bed with a porn star is something totally different.

Yea....this is getting to the point where I am starting to feel bad for him.

I get what he was thinking and this has gone from a fun fling to a potential nightmare. Sadly, I think this has gone to plan for the silicon queen. JB has been played. I just hope he realizes what is going on before he makes an even larger mistake.

 

[Domina Nostra]

And the "holier than thou" crap is so overplayed. You can go out and get drunk with your buddies and hook up with some random girl and think it's all a blast without insisting that you were doing the right thing or aren't going to be hung over or have some regrets.

I'm sure there are some people who are in no way racist who can understand why some kid in the ghetto or the sticks might be. He doesn't have to think he is better than those kids just because he thinks they are wrong.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notre Dame FB player Justin Brent went on date w/porn star. Here's ND's sex section in code of conduct <a href="http://t.co/CYk6v4rzvs">pic.twitter.com/CYk6v4rzvs</a></p>— darren rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/525691487078854656">October 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Rovell is one of the worst people on Twitter.

 

[Cackalacky]

What exactly do you think morality is? It is absurd to ask if something is moral, then posit that everyone gets to decide for himself what is moral. you can't have it both ways, you can't insist that there really is right and wrong, and simultaneously insist that everyone gets to decide what that is for themselves.

One popular view of sexual morality--one that Notre Dame obviously does not endorse-- is that everything consensual is fine. But just because you believe that, or lots of people believe that, doesn't actually mean it's true.

God forbid even one person still belive there are something's that are wrong, no matter who consents.

Lol not going there. Let's just say that I am not going to judge JB for doing what he is doing.

And your version of morality is not by default true. Outside of ND code of conduct what is he doing that is immoral?

 

[Cackalacky]

And the "holier than thou" crap is so overplayed. You can go out and get drunk with your buddies and hook up with some random girl and think it's all a blast without insisting that you were doing the right thing or aren't going to be hung over or have some regrets.

I'm sure there are some people who are in no way racist who can understand why some kid in the ghetto or the sticks might be. He doesn't have to think he is better than those kids just because he thinks they are wrong.

It's not crap. It matters. You are judging. Plain and simple.

 

[RDU Irish]

Hey JB - Thanks for giving us something to talk about during the bye week. Cheers!

 

[tussin]

There is no proof they had sex. Rovell is an asshat.

JB, I would not make the same choices as you... but to each his own. God speed.

 

[koonja]

I hope he's smart enough to cut it off and to call the lady and have her take the pics down immediately.

 

[greyhammer90]

My final take that no one is asking for...

Me as an individual: This is gross.

Me as an American citizen: If they're both consenting adults, then I have no problem with it. Though JB did sign himself up to a private institution so he needs to clear it up with them first. If he doesn't like the rules ND imposes then he needs to pick a different place because ND certainly isn't going to bend on its rules.

Me as an JB fan: This is extremely troubling. It's hard to imagine that there isn't some sort of predatory game going on here. It makes no sense otherwise.

Me as an ND fan: This sh*t is trouble. From an NCAA perspective, from an national image perspective, from a catholic perspective, from a "noise" perspective, it's not a good look.

 

[tussin]

If it was Jennifer Aniston, would you all be saying the same thing?!?!?!

HOT TAKE: This discussion just proves the extreme disrespect that female adult film stars get in this country. It's a career god damnit!!!!!!

 

[blueNDgold44]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notre Dame FB player Justin Brent went on date w/porn star. Here's ND's sex section in code of conduct <a href="http://t.co/CYk6v4rzvs">pic.twitter.com/CYk6v4rzvs</a></p>— darren rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/525691487078854656">October 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Rovell is one of the worst people on Twitter.

Are we going to pull a BYU?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Are we going to pull a BYU?

Doubtful. ND has rarely prosecuted its students under that section of du Lac in recent years, likely due to how counter-cultural the Catholic Church is on this point. Then again, ND has never had to deal with photos of a high profile student athlete naked in bed with the world's most famous porn star. I hope they work with Brent to get a handle on this quickly, but this could end poorly for him.

 

[Irish YJ]

As an American - he's an adult and can do whatever or whoever he wants as long as he's not breaking any laws.

As a ND student - he signed up to behave in a certain way, and represent the University in a certain way. He is not.

As a FB player - This is not a team first action and could become a distraction...

As a young guy - sure has a lot of swag

As a guy concerned with his future - it's all obviously in the moment

As a son - Momma aint gonna like this

Me personally, I think if this is all that comes out,,,,,, it was a fun experience for the kid, he'll break it off or keep it on the low in the future, he's probably learning a lesson right now, got some street cred, will have to put up with some jokes for the next couple years, will probably hear his mother cry, and will get a talking to from BK...

If any more comes out and he continues to embrace the public status, ,,,, he's probably decided it's all about him, he turns a deaf ear to the coaching, and ends up suspended this season or seeks out a new college in southern Cal...

 

[BobbyMac]

This is such a non story until the sex tape comes out.

I mean, it's not like ND can bring her into a hearing and swab her vajayjay.

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[DCIrish]

He needs to be more discreet and keep the selfies in bed off the internet.

Besides that he hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[dshans]

I don't know if the IE "fun" has died down enough to say this, but from my viewpoint this thing splashing all over the place with Notre Dame attached to it is a big negative. Sure, young man, strut your hormones, but for God's sake keep discrete about it. The whole world isn't about the latest selfie.

There IS a chance, I hope, that when Coach has his talk with Justin, this experience makes him grow up a little, and that will make him a better football player [a disciplined man, not a juvenile kid] as well.

... being an ND fan for most of my 74 years if that helps. I don't see the positive in this. And the woman's age makes it only creepier.

As the de facto resident "free love" hippie I'm with ya. There are matters of respect, accountability and good taste to be considered.

Silence, and discretion, are golden.

 

[BeauBenken]

I'd expect this to be dealt with. I don't think this is the type of publicity that the staff or school would like to have.

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