Video of the Pass Interference

[IrishLax]

After watching the above video over and over, I don't see how anyone can make a case against Fuller. He faked outside, cut back inside and was met promptly by an attacking Darby. They tangled, Fuller looked back at Golson (who had already thrown the ball) and he (Fuller) tracked it back to CRob for the score. There is NO WAY a flag should've been thrown against Fuller unless it was predetermined.

The ONLY negative thing I noticed about Procise is his footwork. He gets jammed, immediately and instead of trying to run off the defender, his feet sort of hop along with Ramsey. This to me gives the illusion that he's not trying to get away from Ramsey and just conveniently getting in the way (which is what kmoose is saying is illegal). Granted, it's also pretty obvious that he's being held the entire time. If anything, that should've been defensive holding. I can't throw a flag on CJ in that instance. I could've thrown one on Ramsey though.

I second what others have said that this penalty was 1) predetermined and 2) would never have been called had it been ealier in the game or at mid-field. It's a damn shame.

Two things to consider...
1) This crew was suspended a couple years ago for bad calls that went against FSU. Doubt they wanted to have that happen again.
2) The official who made the call... Pat Ryan... could not possibly have seen PI. Which means it was pre-determined, or otherwise a call with ulterior motives.

I'm going to have a post going up soon on ITP talking a little bit more about Mr. Ryan and how he has been far from kind to the Irish.

 

[Jerry]

Here is another video and explanation of it.

A new look at that controversial call during ND vs. FSU | Sports - WSBT.com

Another clear view that Darby engaged Fuller.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here is another video and explanation of it.

A new look at that controversial call during ND vs. FSU | Sports - WSBT.com

Two things to consider...
1) This crew was suspended a couple years ago for bad calls that went against FSU. Doubt they wanted to have that happen again.
2) The official who made the call... Pat Ryan... could not possibly have seen PI. Which means it was pre-determined, or otherwise a call with ulterior motives.

I'm going to have a post going up soon on ITP talking a little bit more about Mr. Ryan and how he has been far from kind to the Irish.

We need a lot more of this. There are too many writers and analysts (Matt Hinton, Mike Pereira, Peter King, etc.) claiming that the call was "clearly" correct, and very few even noting the questionable nature of the call.

I wish Larz had taken a stronger stance in his film breakdown, so I could link people to it on Twitter. On that particular play, OPI on ND (with nothing against FSU) is an indefensible call. A good ref swallows his whistle and lets the players determine the outcome. A pedantic as$hole at least gives us the ball at FSU's 9 with 12s remaining.

 

[ND NYC]

that Zapruder film from behind the endzone taken by Tyler tells me all i need to know about the call.

the reason you dont throw the flag for the bush push is the same for not throwing it here.

ive seen a lot of ND football in my lifetime but this may be the worst call made vs. ND (with the lone expection of the clip on rockets return)

praying for a scenario where would get a shot at FSU and Bama in the playoff and win those 2to wipe out last 20 years of frustration.

1 FSU
2 Bama
3 Oregon
4 ND

FSU vs ND (we win)
Bama vs Oregon (Bama win)

we get shot at satan with one week of prep...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I've been particularly baffled, myself, at the lack of media reporting (in any form) on this blown call. Mike and Mike touched on it (I don't recall either of them having much of a hard stance). Evan and Phillips touched on it (all three of their radio staff agreed it was a blown call).

What I'm most peeved about is that lack of big picture break down. Not just the call itself, but the missed flag on #26 removing his helmet. That's a HUGE missed call in that moment. Give FSU the OPI. ND should've still been able to have 1st and Goal at the 9 with 12 seconds left. When the last couple minutes of the game are broken down, you absolutely cannot leave out these details. I bet the majority of the public have no idea that even happened.

The fact that none of that is being talked about is asinine to me.

 

[Luckylucci]

We need a lot more of this. There are too many writers and analysts (Matt Hinton, Mike Pereira, Peter King, etc.) claiming that the call was "clearly" correct, and very few even noting the questionable nature of the call.

I wish Larz had taken a stronger stance in his film breakdown, so I could link people to it on Twitter. On that particular play, OPI on ND (with nothing against FSU) is an indefensible call. A good ref swallows his whistle and lets the players determine the outcome. A pedantic as$hole at least gives us the ball at FSU's 9 with 12s remaining.

I love what they've been doing but I was hoping for a little more as well.

Just terrible that we didn't even get that.

 

[Jerry]

We need a lot more of this. There are too many writers and analysts (Matt Hinton, Mike Pereira, Peter King, etc.) claiming that the call was "clearly" correct, and very few even noting the questionable nature of the call.

I wish OFD had taken a stronger stance in its film breakdown, so I could link people to it on Twitter. On that particular play, OPI on ND (with nothing against FSU) is an indefensible call.

This is what is getting to me. And then a few writers go on to question the intelligence of anybody who thinks otherwise.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I've been particularly baffled, myself, at the lack of media reporting (in any form) on this blown call. Mike and Mike touched on it (I don't recall either of them having much of a hard stance). Evan and Phillips touched on it (all three of their radio staff agreed it was a blown call).

What I'm most peeved about is that lack of big picture break down. Not just the call itself, but the missed flag on #26 removing his helmet. That's a HUGE missed call in that moment. Give FSU the OPI. ND should've still been able to have 1st and Goal at the 9 with 12 seconds left. When the last couple minutes of the game are broken down, you absolutely cannot leave out these details. I bet the majority of the public have no idea that even happened.

The fact that none of that is being talked about is asinine to me.

My guess would be that ND losing was part of "the script" for Saturday night, so people aren't scrutinizing the call too closely. But then again, FSU is the most hated program in the country right now, and virtually everyone outside of Tallahassee was rooting for us. Would be nice to see some objective media figures question Ryan's call. It doesn't hold up under any reasonable level of scrutiny.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The best thing about this video is it shows 3 things.
a) That the DB initiated contact with is hands FIRST. Therefore, CJ cannot be help responsible for the contact throughout the play.

b) That the DB turned CJ inside with his blocking, which prevented CJ from running a route and clearly shows CJ was not successful at trying to block the DB from making a play (because the DB had no intention of making a play on the actual receiver from the second the ball was snapped).

c) That CJ was tugged downward by the DB who was in fact, holding the WR.

This is also very clear from the opposite end zone shot as well as the video posted on Vines from the back corner of the end zone by a fan with full view of the play from a few yards away.

Which video are you talking about here?

 

[GowerND11]

My guess would be that ND losing was part of "the script" for Saturday night, so people aren't scrutinizing the call too closely. But then again, FSU is the most hated program in the country right now, and virtually everyone outside of Tallahassee was rooting for us. Would be nice to see some objective media figures question Ryan's call. It doesn't hold up under any reasonable level of scrutiny.

Like how it was in "the script" that Bowden was going to win the '93 NC no matter what. It was predetermined before the season he was finally getting his, almost like a career achievement.

 

[kmoose]

After watching the above video over and over, I don't see how anyone can make a case against Fuller. He faked outside, cut back inside and was met promptly by an attacking Darby. They tangled, Fuller looked back at Golson (who had already thrown the ball) and he (Fuller) tracked it back to CRob for the score. There is NO WAY a flag should've been thrown against Fuller unless it was predetermined.

The ONLY negative thing I noticed about Procise is his footwork. He gets jammed, immediately and instead of trying to run off the defender, his feet sort of hop along with Ramsey. This to me gives the illusion that he's not trying to get away from Ramsey and just conveniently getting in the way (which is what kmoose is saying is illegal). Granted, it's also pretty obvious that he's being held the entire time. If anything, that should've been defensive holding. I can't throw a flag on CJ in that instance. I could've thrown one on Ramsey though.

I second what others have said that this penalty was 1) predetermined and 2) would never have been called had it been ealier in the game or at mid-field. It's a damn shame.

No, it's not. I have been saying for some time now (after seeing enough replays to change my initial impression) that I don't think there was any offensive foul on Prosise. What I think is a legitimate call is that Fuller tried to run through Darby, to continue his route. According to the rules, which state that the offensive player has the responsibility to avoid contact, I think there's a case to be made for the guy throwing the flag. A much better case, anyway (in my opinion) than the case for a corrupt crew trying to steal the game from ND. Again..... if Fuller had just pulled up a little, keeping himself between the defender and the receiver, I don't think that flag gets thrown.

 

[IrishLax]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

 

[connor_in]

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[Whiskeyjack]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

The game is over and Florida State won, despite being thoroughly outgained and outplayed most of the night. That’s sports, and there is nothing anyone can do to change the results. But something can be done to make sure that Pat Ryan never, ever officiates another Notre Dame game. And those steps should be taken before another important contest is decided by his flag.

Amen. Swarbrick needs to get Swofford on the horn immediately.

 

[wizards8507]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

Amen. Swarbrick needs to get Swofford on the horn immediately.

Maybe... but doesn't the referee have the ultimate say? He could have overruled the back judge and said "there is no foul on the play. The result of the play is a touchdown."

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe... but doesn't the referee have the ultimate say? He could have overruled the back judge and said "there is no foul on the play. The result of the play is a touchdown."

I am pretty sure the REF asked him "Are You Sure?" and the d-bag nodded.

 

[Jerry]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

Holy shit that was the official that made the call? I watched the officials that you can see in frame and noticed that the back judge was looking straight ahead. I can't believe he made that call now. Unreal....

 

[domer13]

Video of the Pass Interference

I don't believe that was the official who threw the flag..

The back judge next to the goal posts threw it.


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[EvilleIrish]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

Well done!

 

[RuntheBall]

Personally I think he could have seen the play in his peripherals. Not sure, but I think it is possible. I guess it depends if the call is on Fuller or CJ to an extent (still not 100% sure who it is on; I think he would have had a better view of CJ).

But that doesn't change the info in the rest of the article wow.

Side note: Agreed on the final 'interception'. I think that should (and can) be changed in the official box score.

 

[ACamp1900]

I didn't realize the helmet coming off was on THAT play, I thought it was on the play after... THAT hurts.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

My thoughts: The Curious Case of Pat Ryan | Irish Turning Point

My thought is that you mentioned the Tuitt incident. The play was reviewed and he still was ejected so I don't think you can put blame on Ryan for that.

Also, someone noted that you highlighted the umpire.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

BTW that still shot of Williams taking his helmet off, you can clearly see he is yelling at Darby on the play not the officials.

 

[Jerry]

Personally I think he could have seen the play in his peripherals. Not sure, but I think it is possible. I guess it depends if the call is on Fuller or CJ to an extent (still not 100% sure who it is on; I think he would have had a better view of CJ).

But that doesn't change the info in the rest of the article wow.

Side note: Agreed on the final 'interception'. I think that should (and can) be changed in the official box score.

It's possible but his head is definitely following the ball, which I guess he could be making sure the pass is going beyond the line of scrimmage and not behind it. But that's giving this guy a lot of credit.

I think Jimbo said something about the earlier similar TD and the ref just had that in the back of his mind. So when the same play was run on the opposite side of the field he just threw the flag.

 

[RuntheBall]

It's possible but his head is definitely following the ball, which I guess he could be making sure the pass is going beyond the line of scrimmage and not behind it. But that's giving this guy a lot of credit.

I think Jimbo said something about the earlier similar TD and the ref just had that in the back of his mind. So when the same play was run on the opposite side of the field he just threw the flag.

Agree 100% with this.

 

[Luckylucci]

Keep in mind that it was a different play out of a different formation. I do agree that when the ref realized what happened he just threw the flag without actually seeing or understanding what happened. If you watch the two plays you'll see a distinct difference in what Fuller did on the last and Procise did on the first. Not even close really. The first should have been called but to have a make up call take back the game wining TD is garbage when it wasn't really there. Blindly throwing flags.

 

[kmoose]

kmoose, you have whatever is the opposite of a victim complex.

Good! That will balance out all of the "victim mentality" going on around here, the last few days.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

After watching the above video over and over, I don't see how anyone can make a case against Fuller. He faked outside, cut back inside and was met promptly by an attacking Darby. They tangled, Fuller looked back at Golson (who had already thrown the ball) and he (Fuller) tracked it back to CRob for the score. There is NO WAY a flag should've been thrown against Fuller unless it was predetermined.

The ONLY negative thing I noticed about Procise is his footwork. He gets jammed, immediately and instead of trying to run off the defender, his feet sort of hop along with Ramsey. This to me gives the illusion that he's not trying to get away from Ramsey and just conveniently getting in the way (which is what kmoose is saying is illegal). Granted, it's also pretty obvious that he's being held the entire time. If anything, that should've been defensive holding. I can't throw a flag on CJ in that instance. I could've thrown one on Ramsey though.

I second what others have said that this penalty was 1) predetermined and 2) would never have been called had it been earlier in the game or at mid-field. It's a damn shame.

Or if the scripts were flipped and ND was playing defense.

 

[Jerry]

Keep in mind that it was a different play out of a different formation. I do agree that when the ref realized what happened he just threw the flag without actually seeing or understanding what happened. If you watch the two plays you'll see a distinct difference in what Fuller did on the last and Procise did on the first. Not even close really. The first should have been called but to have a make up call take back the game wining TD is garbage when it wasn't really there. Blindly throwing flags.

I thought the contact looked worse on the first play too. But it looks bad from the far side angle on the last play so who knows if the DB's made similar contact on the earlier play as well? This whole thing is starting to make me crazy..

 

[Emcee77]

Good! That will balance out all of the "victim mentality" going on around here, the last few days.

Or it might have, if you didn't start straying over to the dark side ...

No. The worst part is that those kids played their hearts out, and fell just short through no real fault of their own.

Stick to your guns, kmoose. Anyone who dares to suggest that anyone but ND's own players and coaches bears any responsibility for the loss lacks moral fiber. Tell them as haughtily, from as high a horse as you can find, how it was the right call and ND beat itself. Don't waver. By all means, condescend until everyone is ashamed to disagree with you.