'12 WA RB Keivarae Russell (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Cali_domer]

Just out of curiosity... if he is found to be innocent could he easily transfer to another school and play there next year?

Should be able to with no penalty in my opinion this year.

 

[tussin]

Can someone check on Koon and make sure he's okay? I'm worried for his personal health.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And when has the administration ever cared how hard it is to be the coach at Notre Dame???

Presumably since Jenkins and Swarbrick took over the program from Monk Malloy and Kevin White. All indications point toward the people at the top being very pro-football these days. Bogs' theory is that there are enough of Malloy's people left in positions of power that can and would do this out of animus toward the program, but I can't speak to the plausibility of that.

Just out of curiosity... if he is found to be innocent could he easily transfer to another school and play there next year?

Probably. ND has kicked out many starters in the past, and almost all of them have gone on to finish their careers elsewhere.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Give it another couple hours, I'm sure the administration apologists will tell us why we should wait for the results because they owe us and the students nothing.

 

[NDRock]

Wasn't one of Kelly's concerns after the 2012 season (when he flirted with the NFL) his lack of involvement in the disciplinary process for his players? Seems like he's completely out of the loop on this stuff. Obviously it is an academic issue but I'm sure he still feels like he should be kept abreast of the situation. Doesn't sound like he has been.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Wasn't one of Kelly's concerns after the 2012 season (when he flirted with the NFL) his lack of involvement in the disciplinary process for his players? Seems like he's completely out of the loop on this stuff. Obviously it is an academic issue but I'm sure he still feels like he should be kept abreast of the situation. Doesn't sound like he has been.

He's made it pretty clear that he doesn't know much more than any of us, which must be truly frustrating. I understand ND's reason for the "separation of church and state", but what's the reasoning behind keeping Kelly in the dark? All of the athletes in question are over 18, and can sign FERPA releases if that's the issue.

 

[GBdomer]

Some of you guys really do think Kelly doesn't know what's going on? Remember what he grew up wanting to be?

I am fairly confident he knows who's coming back and what's going on

 

[PerthDomer]

Campus mail takes about a day though. Once they decide the decision should come shortly.

 

[MNIrishman]

Campus mail takes about a day though. Once they decide the decision should come shortly.

If that. The campus has its own post office and only has 8000 students. The mail thing isn't like it is in the "real world"---on campus mail is used frequently and is much faster than you'd think.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Some of you guys really do think Kelly doesn't know what's going on? Remember what he grew up wanting to be?

I am fairly confident he knows who's coming back and what's going on

I think he has a fairly good idea who he thinks is coming back, I don't think he knows..

 

[ND NYC]

Cali Domer just PM'd me and told me the mods want us to make all comments on this situation in the RV thread and not the indiviudal players threads.

told me there was "something in it for me"

 

[Cali_domer]

Cali Domer just PM'd me and told me the mods want us to make all comments on this situation in the RV thread and not the indiviudal players threads.

told me there was "something in it for me"

Liar.... ��

I would never do that

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I'm not shocked by the events we see unfolding. Jenkins said at the press conference when this whole debacle was addressed that this was an academic issue, not a football issue. These players are being treated as students, not as athletes.

 

[Johannes]

 

[connor_in]

Liar.... ��

I would never do that

Where did you want me to post all those Spider-Man memes again Cali?

 

[D-BOE34]

Are people really bitching about mail? Did I miss something because it takes less that 24 hours for my mail to get from Chicago to STL. I can't imagine it being more than a few hours across town, much less on campus. This whole thing is fucked up and KVR has every right to let it out now. Don't blame him at all, just don't think mail is our issue here.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Not sure how long I'd be able to maintain radio silence in his position. He's shown remarkable restraint thus far.

Sort of off topic, but something that cracks me up is he hasn't posted anything until today. Most people show some diversity in there "liked" photos. Not KVR, dude likes nothing but half naked hot chick photos all day everyday. Cracks me up, guys future up in the air but still scans Instagram for some snatch, I laugh every time.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'12 WA RB Keivarae Russell (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

Sort of off topic, but something that cracks me up is he hasn't posted anything until today. Most people show some diversity in there "liked" photos. Not KVR, dude likes nothing but half naked hot chick photos all day everyday. Cracks me up, guys future up in the air but still scans Instagram for some snatch, I laugh every time.

It makes sense. I look at porn in times is distress.......or unrest.......or good times........or any times........

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

It makes sense. I look at porn in times is distress.......or unrest.......or good times........or any times........

Valid. Nothing like some booty to make it all right.

 

[Cackalacky]

Major reform better be the result of this debacle.

I doubt it. Some things in this world are rigid by design and their rigidity is a desired quality. I seriously doubt the administration will streamline this unique process. It's not likely to come up soon enough to bother with.

 

[ThePiombino]

I doubt it. Some things in this world are rigid by design and their rigidity is a desired quality. I seriously doubt the administration will streamline this unique process. It's not likely to come up soon enough to bother with.

Inexcusable. Futility for the sake of futility.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Presumably since Jenkins and Swarbrick took over the program from Monk Malloy and Kevin White. All indications point toward the people at the top being very pro-football these days. Bogs' theory is that there are enough of Malloy's people left in positions of power that can and would do this out of animus toward the program, but I can't speak to the plausibility of that.



Probably. ND has kicked out many starters in the past, and almost all of them have gone on to finish their careers elsewhere.

Just now saw this. Had to comment.

First, I don't have a theory. I have a hypothesis. Maybe that is where some misunderstanding comes. I am looking for a plausible explanation that ties together what we know. It is "untested." That would be a hypothesis. And this just isn't semantics. Everything is untested, until it is disproved or revealed as truth. I simply have one ND grad that is a good friend, and a couple others that occasionally feed me bits, but they have been in the middle of and shared a lot going on during the Malloy heyday. BGIF and a few other knowledgeable posters have confirmed a lot of what my friend in particular has told me. In terms of things that happened in the past that were not common knowledge. And he can name some people that are still at ND that had an anti-football attitude.

For example : His best, in my opinion, was when he predicted football would blossom under Fr. Jenkins, when as a new President, he retired the head of the previous organization used to enforce du Lac policy on ND students. His words. Not mine. He called this guy "The Grand Inquisitor." Making student honor less draconian and more sensible, kinder if you will, was a good sign in my friends book. And he was right. He has been on top of things and in the know every time.

So I just took what he was saying, added to it all the common themes from the more credible rumors, and put it together in a way that made sense. I couldn't put a major university wide cheating scandal that went back for years together in a way without open flames and brimstone erupting on the campus so, that. And it seems to be so. The last way guys that were about to be thrown out would behave, is as these guys have. Nervous, angry, confused, while maintaining their innocence, (defending themselves) is not the posture of the guilty.

So since we have pretty much put all the salacious rumors of the early days to rest, it is looking like a subjective issue at the test with a handful of players and students. No one still has mentioned a non-athlete student involved, other than the original girl who helped with the papers. And it makes sense that KVR's only involvement may be that he was charged with not turning the others in. This could be why his hearing was scheduled first, and why he will find out his fate last.

 

[ACamp1900]

In my experience,... Education is the ultimate slow to hire, slow to fire industry. I too doubt much changes from this.

 

[Cackalacky]

Inexcusable. Futility for the sake of futility.

Inexcusable? I understand the frustration with the delays but "the process" is what provides legitimacy. I think in the end the decisions, whatever they may be will have weight, authority and accuracy, time frame be damned. The process will most likely keep the NCAA off campus and NDs academic standing upheld. I would be more worried if the process was say of the calibre of UNCs or FSUs.

 

[ThePiombino]

Inexcusable? I understand the frustration with the delays but "the process" is what provides legitimacy. I think in the end the decisions, whatever they may be will have weight, authority and accuracy, time frame be damned. The process will most likely keep the NCAA off campus and NDs academic standing upheld. I would be more worried if the process was say of the calibre of UNCs or FSUs.

Yes. The timeline is inexcusable, and I'm not even talking about football. These kids have spent the last 6 weeks wondering what their academic futures hold. Meanwhile, they're expected to perform 100% academically. How the hell wouldn't this process negatively affect that? I know that there's no way this wouldn't affect my academic performance.

The process is fine, but the lack of urgency leaves a lot to be desired, especially from a school that puts an emphasis on STUDENT-athlete.

 

[Cackalacky]

Yes. The timeline is inexcusable, and I'm not even talking about football. These kids have spent the last 6 weeks wondering what their academic futures hold. Meanwhile, they're expected to perform 100% academically. How the hell wouldn't this process negatively affect that? I know that there's no way this wouldn't affect my academic performance.

The process is fine, but the lack of urgency leaves a lot to be desired, especially from a school that puts an emphasis on STUDENT-athlete.

I get that but it takes time to research, interview, debate, etc and as I understand it there are students involved on the other side. Is it fair to them to burn the candles at both ends in order to investigate a suspected cheating case that extends into the past and may involve multiple students and a possible employee?

 

[IrishDevil]

I sent a message to my SOURCE and I have not heard anything back ! I am trying to get some solid info and maybe make a Vbuck or 2 lol.

 

[BGIF]

Notre Dame's KeiVarae Russell expresses frustration over drawn-out process - ND Insider: Football

Oct 1, 2014
by Eric Hansen

Russell thinks he nailed his hearing. Frustrated with procedure. Quotes at the link.

Hansen had an interesting converstation with Michael McCann, Sports Illustrated legal analyst and University of New Hampshire law professor on the hearings.s

McCann doesn't see grounds for student legal action as ND can claim they were protracted as they did an exhaustive investigation and hearing according to school rules. McCann points out he works for a university and the procedures tend to be long and "not often compatible with the sports schedule."

A school gets in trouble when it starts fast-tracking things, when it skips steps.

 

[Irish8248]

Go suck a Twinkie Eric

 

[IrishLax]

Now an ESPN story on front page: KeiVarae Russell -- Notre Dame 'becoming ridiculous' - ESPN