Rumored Violations

[koonja]

It is crazy to me how the media refuses to press the issue. I guess deep down inside this isn't something that people care about. How come no one has called the Provost or Academic Affairs to ask "when" these hearings are going to take place. It does strike me as odd that for all of those asking BK about an update, no one takes it upon themselves to investigate it on their own.

I'm shocked the students aren't starting to make some noise.

 

[Henges24]

Too bad Deadspin is anti-ND, along with 90% of the rest of the world, they might be able to get some answers if they tried.

 

[wizards8507]

It is crazy to me how the media refuses to press the issue.

Which media? The ND sports media is pressing the issue, but their "touch point" is Brian Kelly and he doesn't seem to know any more than we do. The "regular" (non sports) media probably doesn't care.

I guess deep down inside this isn't something that people care about.

I'd guess you're right.

How come no one has called the Provost or Academic Affairs to ask "when" these hearings are going to take place.

The probably have, and they likely got the response "It is the policy of the University of Notre Dame not to discuss academic affairs relating to our students with the media. This policy is in compliance with FERPA and the NCAA's guidelines on student welfare and privacy."

 

[GoIrish41]

Which media? The ND sports media is pressing the issue, but their "touch point" is Brian Kelly and he doesn't seem to know any more than we do. The "regular" (non sports) media probably doesn't care.


I'd guess you're right.


The probably have, and they likely got the response "It is the policy of the University of Notre Dame not to discuss academic affairs relating to our students with the media. This policy is in compliance with FERPA and the NCAA's guidelines on student welfare and privacy."

If this is the policy, we would not know the names or the circumstances. The university made that public. Most schools handle stuff like this by saying students are suspended for "violating team rules." Of course, in most instances they know how long the suspension is when they make the announcement.

 

[Emcee77]

If this is the policy, we would not know the names or the circumstances. The university made that public. Most schools handle stuff like this by saying students are suspended for "violating team rules." Of course, in most instances they know how long the suspension is when they make the announcement.

Well, as Jenkins said in his comments to the faculty, ND made an exception from the policy because the names were being leaked on social media and ND felt the fairest thing was to release the names of the implicated players to avoid rampant speculation and the implication by the media of players who were not actually involved.

It's true that, generally, we would not know anything about ongoing honor code proceedings.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Well, as Jenkins said in his comments to the faculty, ND made an exception from the policy because . . .

ND made an exception from the policy because of the circumstances?!!!!

The ONE THING we know for a fact is PROCESS. And PROCESS can never change, ever. Especially not when football is concerned. What a terrible, frightful thing for Fr. Jenkins to have said. He must be mistaken.

 

[Emcee77]

ND made an exception from the policy because of the circumstances?!!!!

The ONE THING we know for a fact is PROCESS. And PROCESS can never change, ever. Especially not when football is concerned.

Lol. Not an exception from the honor code violation investigation/adjudication procedure; an exception from the policy of not releasing information about ongoing proceedings. Huge difference.

I get the joke though. Reps, that was funny.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If this is the policy, we would not know the names or the circumstances. The university made that public. Most schools handle stuff like this by saying students are suspended for "violating team rules." Of course, in most instances they know how long the suspension is when they make the announcement.

Most of what I've read indicates that the leak likely came from within the NCAA. The news broke immediately after ND self-reported this "violation" (and that word is going in bullsh!t quotes henceforth), which necessitated that hurried and uncharacteristically frazzled press conference by Jenkins.

So no, ND didn't make it public. Some asshole within the NCAA did, which forced ND to confirm it.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Most of what I've read indicates that the leak likely came from within the NCAA. The news broke immediately after ND self-reported this "violation" (and that word is going in bullsh!t quotes henceforth), which necessitated that hurried and uncharacteristically frazzled press conference by Jenkins.

So no, ND didn't make it public. Some asshole within the NCAA did, which forced ND to confirm it.

Either the NCAA - which is more likely - or someone from inside the school leaked it. It seemed that some on this board knew a lot before it was made public. Either way, it sure caused the school to react quicker than they probably wanted to. And given the initial presser, it seemed they weren't really prepared to speak on it, hence throwing out vacating wins, etc. which is utterly stupid IMO.

 

[ulukinatme]

What's the over/under on when this thread hits a million views?

 

[IrishLion]

 

[CarrollVermin]

So FSU had a plan. They completed an investigation, turned it over, and made an immediate decision.

A stupid decision, but a decision nonetheless.

 

[Blaise]

What's the over/under on when this thread hits a million views?

The day they finally finish this and release an outcome

 

[Irish#1]

Everybody from IE on one side of the glass waiting. The admin on the other.

 

[NDdomer2]

even if we didnt report to ncaa, we were going to hold players out of practice (for a long damn time obviously) to the point where they would have had to speak on it anyways. The only difference IMO is prepared and not prepared to speak on it. The leak forced them to do it before they wanted.

Now looking at the NFL and holding premature press conferences, you say things that may or may not be true at the time of the press conference.

We claimed the investigation was over. Was it? Could that be the real reason for the wait on results?

I could see it plausible that ncaa leaks news, ND has to have a impromptu PC where they claim investigation is over so that it appears to the public (the only point of holding a PC) that the University has this whole situation under control.

Then weeks later another kid. Sure sounds like investigation complete. There has been no hearing because they dont have all the facts. Plain and simple.

 

[GoIrish41]

even if we didnt report to ncaa, we were going to hold players out of practice (for a long damn time obviously) to the point where they would have had to speak on it anyways. The only difference IMO is prepared and not prepared to speak on it. The leak forced them to do it before they wanted.

Now looking at the NFL and holding premature press conferences, you say things that may or may not be true at the time of the press conference.

We claimed the investigation was over. Was it? Could that be the real reason for the wait on results?

I could see it plausible that ncaa leaks news, ND has to have a impromptu PC where they claim investigation is over so that it appears to the public (the only point of holding a PC) that the University has this whole situation under control.

Then weeks later another kid. Sure sounds like investigation complete. There has been no hearing because they dont have all the facts. Plain and simple.

I agree with everything you said here. However, they have had nearly two months to correct their mis-statements from the hurried press conference and chose to do nothing. It leaves students, players and fans questioning the university admin's competence, their concept of fairness, and their resolve to bring this all to conclusion.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think this .gif gave me a seizure.

 

[CarrollVermin]

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Another day gone by. This won't end before SU. I am starting to think it may go all season. There is no sense of urgency, and its a shame for these student athletes and their families.

 

[Irish Jacky]

That's putting it mildly. If one takes Jenkins' statement at face value, then this truly has been much ado about nothing as far as the NCAA is concerned, which is what has made all this so painfully public from the get-go.

Sounds like the University probably could have handled this quickly and efficiently in-house (like Golson's suspension last year), but they self-reported to the NCAA out of an over-abundance of caution, someone at the NCAA leaked it to the media, and now we're here.

You are 100% correct, Whiskeyjack. Although he'a a Holy Cross priest, Fr. Jenkins' explanation of concern about the NCAA implications was, well, jesuitical. A student "briefly employed" in the athletic dept. and not involved in student-athlete academic matters or tutoring would be the basis for a claim of institutional "extra benefits"? Ridiculous. This is the product, I'd bet, of too many lawyers in the process. It takes a legal mind to contort and pervert a reasonable and responsible posture in a matter like this.

Isn't it the NCAA angle that requires the players to be suspended from practices and team meetings? Is this required under the ND Honor Code prior to a decision being rendered? If this was done at the advice of some ridiculously "cautious" legal advice, it is a shame and a damn shame.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Isn't it the NCAA angle that requires the players to be suspended from practices and team meetings? Is this required under the ND Honor Code prior to a decision being rendered? If this was done at the advice of some ridiculously "cautious" legal advice, it is a shame and a damn shame.

This is where I'm at. Again, taking Jenkins' words at face value, the risk of having to vacate victories is virtually non-existent here. So let the five kids involved rejoin the team, and then the Honesty Committee can takes its sweet time.

 

[Irish Jacky]

This is where I'm at. Again, taking Jenkins' words at face value, the risk of having to vacate victories is virtually non-existent here. So let the five kids involved rejoin the team, and then the Honesty Committee can takes its sweet time.

Unfortunately, it's too late for that at this point. ND made a bad decision on Aug.15 and it's stuck with it. Reversing itself now would be terrible PR.

Fairness to the five players you say? Well, I think we've established where that factor ranks in relation to institutional hypersensitivity to public image.

The bus is the public image concern and the players are too easily thrown under it. If any of these guys is acquitted in this matter, Fr. Jenkins needs to publicly beg his forgiveness.

 

[ulukinatme]

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This process is such bullshit. I understand they want to check everything out and cross their t's and what not, but it looks pretty stupid when you see how most other programs handle things and how we drag our feet getting a resolution out.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That tweet was the best

 

[wizards8507]

Ha

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Feel bad for jameis........ Wait.. Nvm</p>— Toot Daddy Fresh™ (@DaVarisDaniels) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaVarisDaniels/status/512300128724873216">September 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This process is such bullshit. I understand they want to check everything out and cross their t's and what not, but it looks pretty stupid when you see how most other programs handle things and how we drag our feet getting a resolution out.

Wouldn't it be classic ND if Daniels is reinstated only to be suspended by BK for violating the team social media rules?

 

[CarrollVermin]

I don't know what to think anymore.

On the one hand, if DD is complete innocent and he knows it, I would be beating down the door to the Dean, the Provost, and the President. I would also take the social media approach that he is taking.

On the other hand, if he knows that he is guilty, even a little bit, don't you keep your mouth shut at this point?

I don't know what to believe on this one.

 

[Emcee77]

Isn't it the NCAA angle that requires the players to be suspended from practices and team meetings? Is this required under the ND Honor Code prior to a decision being rendered?

No. I had the impression that it was Kelly's decision to hold them out of practice, although it could have come from someone else at ND. I don't fully understand the rationale for it.

It's the "NCAA angle" that requires the players to be suspended from GAMES. We can't allow potentially ineligible players to compete. But AFAIK, there's no NCAA reason why they can't practice.

 

[Irish Jacky]

No. I had the impression that it was Kelly's decision to hold them out of practice, although it could have come from someone else at ND. I don't fully understand the rationale for it.


There seems to be no rationale for this decision but there is, of course, a rationalization. It's another manifestation, I'd say, of the "image uber alles" auto-response.

 

[BobbyMac]

So when are the honor code council meetings scheduled?

 

[koonja]

Satement is best. Doesn't get as much attention as a live press conference and you control the questions (since there are none in a statement).

'We are invesitaging a possible case of academic misconduct. We will work with NCAA, who is made aware, and report findings and handle everything accordingly'.

Thank you, now one to the next NFL fuck up.

 

[CarrollVermin]

So when are the honor code council meetings scheduled?

They aren't.