'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[Grahambo]

Throwing that many TD's against anybody is difficult. This same Toledo team beat Navy, WMU, CMU (who waxed Purdue last week) and played Missouri tough last year. Sure, they aren't world beaters, but let's give credit where it's due. Anybody that watched the game will attest, Gunner played a flawless game in his first outing ever.

I tried.

 

[johnnycando]

Throwing that many TD's against anybody is difficult. This same Toledo team beat Navy, WMU, CMU (who waxed Purdue last week) and played Missouri tough last year. Sure, they aren't world beaters, but let's give credit where it's due. Anybody that watched the game will attest, Gunner played a flawless game in his first outing ever.

Matty Mauk isn't looking so bad either, eh?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Matty Mauk isn't looking so bad either, eh?

True. But Kiel had a higher rating against Toledo than Mauk did.

 

[ndftbl]

Throwing that many TD's against anybody is difficult. This same Toledo team beat Navy, WMU, CMU (who waxed Purdue last week) and played Missouri tough last year. Sure, they aren't world beaters, but let's give credit where it's due. Anybody that watched the game will attest, Gunner played a flawless game in his first outing ever.

It isn't that Toledo can't compete, but rather that during THIS game, especially the first half and the 4th quarter, the Cincy receivers were wide open, and there was very little pass rush.

It's great that Keil didn't miss many of these receivers, but I also was MUCH more impressed with the way Golson was able to make the passes he did last week, vs. Michigan, against very tight coverage, and with an actual pass rush.

Doesn't mean Kiel can't do the same; but he did not do this, last night. When he had to roll to his left in the 4th quarter, for example, he had a real hard time hitting his receiver.

 

[dad4aa]

Sorry I can't root.for someone who transferred because of playing time when had he stayed he'd prob be the starter.or at least in a strong competition

This is true but everyone thinks it is because of competition. At the time he transferred, Chuck Martin was still the OC and they did not get along. I'm not saying that is the only reason, but if I do not get along well with the OC...I'm pretty sure I won't ever start and would look to transfer as well.

 

[Irish8248]

Kiel may very well be a better passer, but overall he cannot makes the plays Golson makes - and makes look easy mind you. I would take Golson 7 days a week, and twice on Saturdays, over any QB in the country sans Mariota and Winston.

He's one play away and the person in front if him was having trouble finishing games, Kiels odds of playing were likely.

Had GK just waited until the summer, he would've been sitting pretty .. But oh well, like I said above, I'll take 2013 TR and 2014 EG

 

[anarin]

I told you guys that he would be good.

You really stepped out on the ledge for the #1 qb coming out of high school

 

[stlnd01]

This is true but everyone thinks it is because of competition. At the time he transferred, Chuck Martin was still the OC and they did not get along. I'm not saying that is the only reason, but if I do not get along well with the OC...I'm pretty sure I won't ever start and would look to transfer as well.

Well, sure. But why didn't they "get along?" And Martin was the OC when Kiel committed. Brand new on the job, yes, but you'd think they would have talked some.

To some degree it was probably a system thing. While Kiel is more athletic than he's probably given credit for (being a beefy square-jawed white kid from Indiana) he's still the least dual-threat QB Kelly has ever recruited to ND. May well be that Martin was taking the offense in a different direction than Kiel was best fit to drive it. Or than Kiel thought he was best fit to drive it.

 

[Fbolt]

You really stepped out on the ledge for the #1 qb coming out of high school

Ha! Captain Obvious!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If he had waited another month, things would have been interesting.

Not really. Golson is a better option at QB than Kiel since he's mobile.

Kiel played great, but he also played against a MAC squad. Let's cool down on the comparison to Everett Golson, who hasn't lost a regular season football game.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

double post

 

[Irishnuke]

The grapes are so sour in this thread.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

I don't understand how "Kiel looks good tonight" pretty much immediately went to "(insert excuse why Kiel had video game numbers), Golson is better."

 

[Emcee77]

The grapes are so sour in this thread.

Yep, so sour. C'mon guys. He came to ND, gave it a shot, and it wasn't the right fit. He is a kid. No reason for hard feelings.

 

[PLACforever]

If you have both Tom Brady and Drew Brees, one of them is going to ride the pine.
Can't fault him for transferring for playing time.

 

[greyhammer90]

The grapes are so sour in this thread.

Yep lol. He did great.

 

[BGIF]

FBS QB Rankings and Completion %

FBS QB Rankings and Completion %

2. Kiel UC RSo 215.97 67.6%

7. Jennings LSU So 201.9 47.1%

16. Golson ND Sr 173.69 66.1%

NR. Sudfield IU Jr 101.8 61.1%

 

[Buster Bluth]

Just beat Ohio State.

 

[BGIF]

Just beat Ohio State.

^

 

[woolybug25]

You really stepped out on the ledge for the #1 qb coming out of high school

You would think. Go read bak through this thread and look at what people thought. Tons if people on here thought he would be no good, that Les was right, that he wouldn't be heard from. It's all there, read for yourself.

So now that he has an excellent game in his first appearance, all if the haters come out of the woodwork to say "who cares", "it's only Toledo" and "he is suppose to be good, he was the #1 QB". Welp, I wouldn't have to say anything if those comments weren't made, would I? That's the thing, the haters of Kiel put themselves in a win/win scenario. They'll be the first to point out something bad, but have no reason to eat crow when he plays well because "he was suppose to be good".

No one is saying that we want him back, think he's better than Everett or Malik. Some of just want to point out the success he's having and wish him well. No reason for all of the negative energy.

 

[IrishLion]

I was at the UC game last night (and will be at all of their home games, minus one that conflicts with ND/Stanford). During the game, I was impressed with his arm strength and accuracy... kid can flat spin it, and makes it look realllllly easy.

He was staring down his receivers too much early (which didn't matter, UC goes 7/8-deep with quality WRs; Toledo was outmatched sorely), but started to check down and go through the progression later on in the second half, which was good because that was when Toledo made it interesting.

I was most impressed with his response late in the second half, after hitting the lockerroom for IV fluids. Toledo made a run, Gunner hit a cold streak. But when things got tough, Kiel caught fire again in response. Not bad for a guy with no chest.

Also, FWIW, I talked to a friend at the game that frequents the Cincy campus and hangs out with some UC players. He asked them about Kiel at a party recently, and he said the players seemed convinced that Kiel simply never settled in at ND. They said he had talked about not having many friends, and that he never really got comfortable. So while not being the starter may have played a role, it seems Gunner needed to move on for other reasons as well.

 

[dublinirish]

University of Cincinnati RB Killed in Motorcycle Accident

awful news for UC.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Terrible.

 

[scUM Hater]

Tragic......and to think we are so obsessed about kids who "cheated". At least they are enrolled in the greatest University in the land with a degree in their futures hopefully.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Uh oh RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Tommy_G">@Tommy_G</a>: Gunner Kiel update: chest injury. Has gone for x-rays. Questionable to return. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bearcats?src=hash">#Bearcats</a></p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/518568385299628033">October 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Maybe Les Miles was right.

 

[IrishMoore1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Uh oh RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Tommy_G">@Tommy_G</a>: Gunner Kiel update: chest injury. Has gone for x-rays. Questionable to return. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bearcats?src=hash">#Bearcats</a></p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/518568385299628033">October 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Maybe Les Miles was right.

LMAO this has to be a joke right?

 

[dublinirish]

Cincy was routed by Memphis 41-14 the other night, Justin Fuente is gonna get some looks once the coaching carosel starts up

 

[Irish Insanity]

As funny as it is, it's not a joke. He's injured.

 

[dublinirish]

Tuberville: Kiel likely out 'a while'

 

[IrishLion]

UC-Memphis was the most miserable game I've ever attended.

I was hoping UC would be pissed off after the pOSU game, but instead it looked like that game destroyed their confidence. The defense played its worst game yet, which is appalling at a level that I still can't even grasp.

Gunner wasn't playing particularly well before his injury, either. There was a ton of wind that affected some throws, and his receivers had 4+ drops that hurt badly, but he wasn't very decisive. He's got a great arm, but it's starting to look like if his first option isn't there for him to stare down, he has trouble finding the next option.

Hopefully that's just a lack of experience, and he can improve whenever he returns from his injury.