'14 IA WR Allen Lazard (Iowa State Verbal)

[Huntr]

It's just another way for him to say that ISU can compete with the Big Boys of college football. He's recruiting by simpling saying that.

Good for him. Now ISU can go back to getting their teeth kicked in by Northern Iowa.

 

[palinurus]

In defense of "poaching" (you make it sound so dirty), 18 year olds are constantly changing their minds and it's "coaching malpractice" not to keep feelers out to, and maintain relationships with, players you think will help and fit in your program.

In fact, not only is there nothing wrong with it (the whining of babies like this clown and Bieliemic at Arkansas, aside), it's a good thing because it gets a notoriously fickle "demographic" (teenage boys) to consider their options more broadly and hopefully (with proper adult guidance) make a better choice.

The only problem I have (and this is where people like Urban Meyer are like the benthic layer of the Gulf of Mexico) is when coaches mislead or, yes, lie, about competing programs. I doubt Kelly did that, and if he did, that's what this guy should complain about. That's fair game.

But this is ridiculous -- and add to it, as Lax said, this guy is taking visits. If Rhoads wasn't such a phony, he'd have a rule that says once you commit verbally you can't visit elsewhere. His position is "you can visit but I'll act like the plain schoolgirl at the prom and bitch at the competition." Small-time, indeed.

 

[#1rish]

He's just pissed that we have one of these and he doesn't.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I think he was just trying to get a bit of publicity and show that he won a recruiting battle. In doing so, he also praises Lazard for his loyalty, which sends a message to other in-state guys. It's sort of silly, but I think there's some calculation here.

 

[palinurus]

I think he was just trying to get a bit of publicity and show that he won a recruiting battle. In doing so, he also praises Lazard for his loyalty, which sends a message to other in-state guys. It's sort of silly, but I think there's some calculation here.

I agree. It's the mention of the "school in Northern Indiana" and acting like ND's overtures were immoral activity that makes him sound like an insecure small-timer. If he said, "Great kid, he's loyal, other great programs pushed him hard, but he wanted old alma mater Iowa State, because we're so great," I wouldn't have a problem at all.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't understand the impulse to apologize on Rhoads' behalf here. We regularly mock the majority of recruiting reporters who are either: (1) completely irrational homers; or (2) yellow journalists simply seeking to maximize page views.

Rhoads is doing the same thing by throwing red meat to his constituency. If Lazard had actually flipped, Rhoads might have bloviated instead about the how some recruits (who he'll graciously refuse to name) lack the integrity to stand by their word.

It's not uncommon behavior from a head coach. But it's still petty, transparent, and obnoxious.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't understand the impulse to apologize on Rhoads' behalf here. We regularly mock the majority of recruiting reporters who are either: (1) completely irrational homers; or (2) yellow journalists simply seeking to maximize page views.

Rhoads is doing the same thing by throwing red meat to his constituency. If Lazard had actually flipped, Rhoads might have bloviated instead about the how some recruits (who he'll graciously refuse to name) lack the integrity to stand by their word.

It's not uncommon behavior from a head coach. But it's still petty, transparent, and obnoxious.

All true. I just don't think what he did was all that unusual.

 

[IrishLion]

The only problem I have with the current "debate" on this issue is that if this were BK taking thinly-veiled swipes at Hoke and scUM or Urban and pOSU for trying to poach a recruit, most of us would be celebrating his intestinal fortitude and the fact that he's calling them out.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The only problem I have with the current "debate" on this issue is that if this were BK taking thinly-veiled swipes at Hoke and scUM or Urban and pOSU for trying to poach a recruit, most of us would be celebrating his intestinal fortitude and the fact that he's calling them out.

I'm really glad BK doesn't do this, and I would be upset if he did. It would make him look petulant, and would reflect poorly on the university. Recruit poaching is an unavoidable part of big time CFB, and it has been years. Sack up or get out.

 

[NDBoiler]

The only problem I have with the current "debate" on this issue is that if this were BK taking thinly-veiled swipes at Hoke and scUM or Urban and pOSU for trying to poach a recruit, most of us would be celebrating his intestinal fortitude and the fact that he's calling them out.

You're probably right, but an important distinction would be that BK would probably have the awareness and tact to not do it.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Aren't we the same group of guys who jumped all over Miles' chest comment?
Whether it's about a player or school it's small time.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm really glad BK doesn't do this, and I would be upset if he did. It would make him look petulant, and would reflect poorly on the university. Recruit poaching is an unavoidable part of big time CFB, and it has been years. Sack up or get out.

I agree with you, and it would look petty if he were to speak out about poaching, but I still believe there would be more "Yeah, screw you Hoke, you suck! You can't take our 'croots!" comments than "I wish BK wouldn't complain about poachers."

Of course, Kelly rarely goes beyond the usual coach speak and the idea of "we're only worried about ourselves" so this would never be an issue. But I thought it was an interesting angle to consider.

 

[RDU Irish]

Animated and passionate, doing what he can to makes some waves. Then again its not hard to make waves in a kiddie pool.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I think it looks petty for Rhodes to make that comment. But I think it's calculated. Poaching is part of the game. I think he's trying to put a spin on the recruiting process that he thinks will help him moving forward. It's just as much a part of the recruiting game as poaching is. He's stating as loudly as he can..."we won this one."

 

[RDU Irish]

He's saying he will protect these kids as freshmen. Keeping him away from the (lack of) media is a nice sound bite to take back out on the recruiting trail for folks tired of fielding calls from coaches, reporters and everyone in between constantly asking where the kid is going.

It's hard for these parents to understand their kid will fade to obscurity quickly after signing day only to reappear IF they start producing in real college football games. Unless, of course, they are the highest rated recruit ever in program history. Then they will be questioned immediately and expected to produce like Randy Moss.

 

[dublinirish]

For those that missed it,
Iowa State were dismantled 34-14 at home by North Dakota State on Saturday.

Lazard had 1 catch for 48 yards.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, enjoy that. His coach will be gone next year, and Iowa State will still suck if he sticks around. I have a feeling he'll stick it out though, regardless of the coach.

 

[NDRock]

Their top receiver went down and is lost for the year, Lazard should get plenty of balls thrown his way.

 

[dublinirish]

They play KSU this weekend and then play Iowa the weekend after, can't see them picking up any W's there, as mediocre as the Wildcats and Hawkeyes are

Edit:
2014 Iowa State Cyclones Football Schedule - ISU
Two wins might be their max, i can see them beating Toledo and Kansas and that's about it

 

[ulukinatme]

From the Shag.

 

[dublinirish]

their starting RT quit the team abruptly after the 1st game. Good times in Ames it seems

 

[pumpdog20]

A parent of a former player (that transferred) called into the morning radio show today basically said the players think Rhoads is a clown. Paraphrasing of course.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

A parent of a former player (that transferred) called into the morning radio show today basically said the players think Rhoads is a clown. Paraphrasing of course.

Too bad. He was a "home town kid makes good" type of story. He's goofy, but I thought he was well liked.

 

[Irish#1]

Too bad. He was a "home town kid makes good" type of story. He's goofy, but I thought he was well liked.

Somethings amiss.

 

[BGIF]

Too bad. He was a "home town kid makes good" type of story. He's goofy, but I thought he was well liked.

He was ... when he got the job.

27-38 engenders a lot of vocal dislike.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

He was ... when he got the job.

27-38 engenders a lot of vocal dislike.

It's Iowa State though...he has the best ISU coaching winning percentage (aside from a coach who went 1-1) since Donnie Duncan left in 1982.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[dublinirish]

Lol

Football: WR Rhoads, DT Ayeni in Story County jail | Ames Tribune

Jake Rhoads, the son of head coach Paul Rhoads, was charged with public intoxication on Saturday, according to the Story County jail website.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Lazard involved? Or was this placed here because it was the only place for Iowa State info?

 

[dublinirish]

Lazard involved? Or was this placed here because it was the only place for Iowa State info?

naw he wasn't. i remember there was some Rhoads bashing in this thread before so decided to post here, sorry!