Disgusting coever-up (Gaming Industry Journalism)

[brick4956]

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[Rack Em]

This thread pales in comparison to your others. I'm disappointed in you, Brick.

 

[connor_in]

Did you meat a girl at Five Guys, Brick?

 

[dshans]

Did you meat a girl at Five Guys, Brick?

I see what you did there ...



"Would you like some special sauce on my burger?"

 

[dshans]

This thread pales in comparison to your others. I'm disappointed in you, Brick.

Hit the bricks, Brick???

 

[Andy in Sactown]

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[ACamp1900]

Dafaq is this shit?!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

See, you're trying too hard Brick, and that's just not classy.

Let's try this, and forgive me, it's just off the top of my head:

An ice sculpture of you, surrounded by a variety of chocolate covered fruits?

 

[phillyirish]

Brick, how are you posting videos while hitchhiking across the country? C'mon Brick, you should be crossing the Mississippi right about now

 

[brick4956]

This involes an Female Indie game developer sleeping with people in the gaming journalism industry to get favorable reviews. The other part to this story involves some major people in the video game industry not in a goodway either

 

[PANDFAN]

This involes an Female Indie game developer sleeping with people in the gaming journalism industry to get favorable reviews. The other part to this story involves some major people in the video game industry not in a goodway either

I'm starting my journalism career starting tomorrow...what a coincidence

 

[greyhammer90]

I'll be the one to stick up for Brick here. This is actually a pretty big story in that industry. When 4chan mods are censoring people, you know some weird shit is happening.

 

[dshans]

This involes an Female Indie game developer sleeping with people in the gaming journalism industry to get favorable reviews. The other part to this story involves some major people in the video game industry not in a goodway either

Since it's expected of me, I'll begin with "what the fuck is a 'coever-up'?"

I give a good deal of latitude to posts I sense were generated on cell phones or even tablets. I think of it as my Tapatalk Filter. I tried to post something a little over a month ago using a borrowed iPhone. It was an absolute fail, so I abandoned it. An Old dog/New Tricks – and all that jazz – situation. My fingers (as slender as they are) were too fat to be effective.

Lazy use of faulty "Auto Correct" features also comes into play as a mitigating circumstance.

Bu then there is "involes" rather than "involves", "an Female" rather than "a female" and "goodway" rather than "goodway." The omission of a final period in the post is forgiven.

Had I not found the whole thread ridiculous I'd have stepped away from my keyboard.



Okay, okay, I confess. I may or may not have been the tutor alleged to have edited and/or written the players' papers. There was no sex involved.

 

[Irish YJ]

that's 24 minutes i'll never get back.....

 

[Irish YJ]

on second thought, can we hire her to hush all the crap about the sex for papers scandal?

 

[anarin]

I always order a small fry there. You know you're getting a bagload anyways

 

[ulukinatme]

#GamerGate is still going on, and it looks like it hasn't really died out. If anything, it's become a big issue...however the media has mostly been focusing on the threatening attacks women have received. The journalism ethics questions have effectively been squashed by the little kids that think it's funny to harass the women via social media.

Everyone's favorite Femi-Nazi was on Colbert last night:
Watch critic Anita Sarkeesian talk GamerGate on 'The Colbert Report' | GamesBeat | Games | by Jeff Grubb

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[phork]

So wait... People are sleepin their way to the top? I can't believe that has EVER happened. EVER!

 

[BGIF]

#GamerGate is still going on, and it looks like it hasn't really died out. If anything, it's become a big issue...however the media has mostly been focusing on the threatening attacks women have received. The journalism ethics questions have effectively been squashed by the little kids that think it's funny to harass the women via social media.
...

Outside of a couple of guys that use an avatar of somebody wearing a cape while they lament they can't get women to take them seriously, does anybody really care?

Ebola, Isis, CFP Rankings, ...

"Journalism ethics" ...really?

 

[ACamp1900]

Outside of a couple of guys that use an avatar of somebody wearing a cape while they lament they can't get women to take them seriously, does anybody really care?

Ebola, Isis, CFP Rankings, ...

"Journalism ethics" ...really?

irishog77??

 

[ulukinatme]

This sums up what's been going on up till now pretty well:

There's this too:
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[Rhode Irish]

This story is something that is almost impossible to follow or get a read on for an outsider (someone that knows nothing about the gamer culture). Everyone talking about it is clearly on one side or another. The Gawker gaming site Kotaku has reported extensively on it, but they seem to be among the media that the movement is targeting. In all their coverage they have never really explained the point of gamergate and made it totally about a mysoginist mission to harass women in gaming. Based on their reporting, it's hard to find much sympathy with gamergate, but it definitely feels like there has to be another side to the story. Unfortunately, their reporting so discredits the gamergaters that it is hard to justify using them as a source of alternative information. For that reason, I've basically just given up trying to figure it out on an objective basis because at the end of the day I don't play video games and the issue really doesn't impact my daily life.

tl;dr: Everyone talking about this story is so obviously biased that it makes following it as an uninterested party almost impossible and not worth the effort it would entail.

 

[ulukinatme]

Outside of a couple of guys that use an avatar of somebody wearing a cape while they lament they can't get women to take them seriously, does anybody really care?

Ebola, Isis, CFP Rankings, ...

"Journalism ethics" ...really?

Bolded are 3rd world problems only, underlined are 1st world problems.

To be fair, in the grand scheme of things GamerGate means very little for the average person that plays a few games on their phone before bed. This really only affects consumers that purchase games on a regular basis and spend a considerable amount of their free time gaming. Just like the average person would probably check reviews of a car online before a purchase, or spend time researching new phones before planning to upgrade, so do gamers research purchases before they drop money on a game.

Of course you'll have impulse buys, but a lot of people over the years have turned to video game mags and online sites to check reviews before deciding on a purchase. Not everyone has a lot of money to drop on a hobby like gaming, and you rarely get more than a fraction of your money back for any game should you sell it, so it can sometimes be important for consumers to get unbiased information when it comes to video games. Honestly, I've heard this song and dance years ago, and I remember playing some absolutely awful games that were pimped by Nintendo Power when I was a kid, so I stopped using these for reviews a long time ago. Now that the dirty underbelly has been exposed to the public, people are tasking journalists to be more ethical and clean things up. Instead of doing that, most of the media has turned the situation around by focusing on the vocal and very small minority of trolling gamers that sent abusive social media messages to women in the industry. So, in essence they've tried to silence the consumers by turning an honest crusade for journalism ethics into a misogynistic witch hunt.

 

[BGIF]

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Bu then there is "involes" rather than "involves", "an Female" rather than "a female" and "goodway" rather than "goodway." ...

I got the "Bu", but "goodway" versus "goodway" was too subtle for me.

 

[ulukinatme]

This story is something that is almost impossible to follow or get a read on for an outsider (someone that knows nothing about the gamer culture). Everyone talking about it is clearly on one side or another. The Gawker gaming site Kotaku has reported extensively on it, but they seem to be among the media that the movement is targeting. In all their coverage they have never really explained the point of gamergate and made it totally about a mysoginist mission to harass women in gaming. Based on their reporting, it's hard to find much sympathy with gamergate, but it definitely feels like there has to be another side to the story. Unfortunately, their reporting so discredits the gamergaters that it is hard to justify using them as a source of alternative information. For that reason, I've basically just given up trying to figure it out on an objective basis because at the end of the day I don't play video games and the issue really doesn't impact my daily life.

tl;dr: Everyone talking about this story is so obviously biased that it makes following it as an uninterested party almost impossible and not worth the effort it would entail.

Yeah, stay away from Kotaku when it comes to this situation. They're pretty close to the center of the problem. It essentially started with the Zoe stuff and Grayson at Kotaku, so they're certainly all for pushing the GamerGate movement towards the "misogynistic asshole gamers" spectrum instead of reporting on it as a neutral party.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

tl;dr: Everyone talking about this story is so obviously biased that it makes following it as an uninterested party almost impossible and not worth the effort it would entail.

FWIW, here's my 2 cents.

My brother-in-law is currently producing an indie game. I'm handling all the legal stuff for him, and have been extensively involved on the design and marketing side of things as well, so we've been neck deep in this culture for the past several months. The volume of indie games coming out every day is mind-boggling, so whether one's game blows up or immediately fades into irrelevance is largely dependent on how much exposure the game can attract from indie gaming reporters, YouTube celebrities, etc. Unsurprisingly, since these formerly obscure hobbyists now find themselves in positions of considerable power, the sort of cronyism and corruption one finds in most other opaque power structures has started to crop up here as well.

"Gamers", as in those who not only play but spend a considerable amount of time reading and talking about video games online, are overwhelmingly young, white, male and libertarian. Imagine your average Ron Paul supporter. Thus, news of such corruption among what were once trusted indie gaming sources elicited a strong negative reaction.

Unfortunately, the center of this corruption scandal is a woman, so her defense has naturally been to dismiss all of her critics as woman-hating basement-dwellers. And to be fair, the "Gamer" community has more than its fair share of sexually-repressed misogynistic neckbeards who have posted some truly vile things online. But that's not even close to being the primary driver behind #GamerGate. Just like MSNBC finds a couple racists cranks at a Tea Party rally, or Fox News finds an unwashed entitled hipster to interview re Occupy Wall Street; it's an attempt to discredit a particular position simply by focusing on an extremist fringe that doesn't represent the majority.

 

[ulukinatme]

Damn, well said, Whiskey.

 

[BGIF]

FWIW, here's my 2 cents.

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That was a lot more than 2 cents.

 

[ulukinatme]

Excellent video here, and from a self proclaimed feminist:

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Here was her first video. After it was released a lot of social media justice warriors called her conservative and a few nasty other things...but as it turns out she's a liberal

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[Rhode Irish]

Thanks for the response Whiskey. That definitely helps clarify who the sides are, but I'm still not sure I get what the specific issues are that the movement is trying to address at a granular level. I do get that the accusation is that the gamer media is corrupt, but other than the Zoe thing what is driving that accusation? I'm not suggesting there isn't other evidence, I'm just curious about what that other evidence is, since that is the only angle that ever seems to get attention in the media I consume.

I just wish an uninterested party would give a sober look at the whole situation, but it seems like anyone in position to know the issues deeply and understand them is going to be naturally biased towards one side or the other.