'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[koonja]

It isn't truly a competition. BK may be acting like it is but EG is the starter. IMO he is making it out to be close just so MZ doesn't get the itch to transfer.

I vote to make the T-word banworthy for the month of August.

 

[gkIrish]

I vote to make the T-word banworthy for the month of August.

Taco???

 

[Emcee77]

You choose to not have an opinion, aka = fence straddled. That is fine, but to act as though no one else should have an opinion is bit...short-sighted. I think it's good you trust the coaches and aren't that interested in theory of how to develop a team. I find myself drawn to the decision-making side of ND football. I like guessing (and usually being wrong) when it comes to guessing play calling, coach-hiring, clock management, etc.

I tend to agree with the spirit of this. "Trust the coaches" can be misused. It is a fair point to the extent that the point is that we don't have enough information to evaluate the correctness of a particular decision because the decision is likely based on factors we aren't privy too. But every decision the staff makes is likely based on some factors we aren't privy to. Your answer to everything could be "trust the coaches"; if that's your attitude, why talk about football at all?

To have a meaningful discussion, you make some assumptions to use as your premises and reason from there, and the discussion is about the reasoning. Sometimes people say "trust the coaches" as if to say, "you can't trust your premises, so there is no point in having this conversation." That may be totally appropriate in a particular discussion. But sometimes they say "trust the coaches" as if to say, "the coaches will perform this reasoning, so there is no reason for you to do it." True enough, but what's the point of ever talking about sports then? Sports talk would be pretty boring if that kind of discussion was out of bounds.

 

[kmoose]

You choose to not have an opinion, aka = fence straddled. That is fine, but to act as though no one else should have an opinion is bit...short-sighted. I think it's good you trust the coaches and aren't that interested in theory of how to develop a team. I find myself drawn to the decision-making side of ND football. I like guessing (and usually being wrong) when it comes to guessing play calling, coach-hiring, clock management, etc.

I find the most enjoyable aspect of all of this, aside from simply cheering on the team, is the large-scale entity that is ND football and how Kelly and Swarbrick make their decisions. From what I've seen, it's best to get your young guns exposure to game situations, preferably before they are decided. We saw it with Leak/Tebow and I saw it in Louisville where it worked very well for them. I think we are asking for trouble if we expect to ride the named starter through the whole season.

But, we'll soon have our answer.

Who said I don't have an opinion? Should Zaire play in meaningful time? I don't know enough to say with any real conviction. Maybe Zaire is more ready to play than the receivers are capable of adjusting (in the game) to the differences between the way the ball arrives from a left handed vs a right handed QB. If so, then I would only play him in limited action. If the receivers and line are perfectly capable of handling the differences, and Zaire is physically ready to play..... then I would try to get him some meaningful action. Like I said............ a theoretical discussion is fine.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It isn't truly a competition. BK may be acting like it is but EG is the starter. IMO he is making it out to be close just so MZ doesn't get the itch to transfer.

I thought Zaire looked pretty good in the Spring game despite a few snafus and rules that kept him from getting hit. I'm somewhat in agreement that I believe Golson has it locked up but I still stand by my comments that I think it's in the team's and this and all future season's best interests to get Zaire meaningful minutes. They don't need to split snaps but it'd be great if he could orchestrate 2ish drives a game. It may be a 3 & out or Kelly could get him in there to eat up clock but just get him in the game and comfortable with the game situation.

Also, part of my argument is influenced by my belief that it's easy for the #2 QB to lose focus or begin to think of other opportunities and the idea above all but prevents that from happening.

I'll cheer on Kelly and ND no matter what but I'd rather see both QBs play every game so we know what we are dealing with. I still have nightmares about Hendrix's 2nd half against USC. I like Hendrix but that was absolutely pitiful.

 

[Emcee77]

It isn't truly a competition. BK may be acting like it is but EG is the starter. IMO he is making it out to be close just so MZ doesn't get the itch to transfer.

Right, I agree. True, Kelly explicitly said that he isn't playing games with us and he'll name a starter as soon he sees separation, and I don't think he was lying exactly, but I think that separation will be evident pretty quickly. Kelly all but admitted in other parts of the presser that Golson is the more polished player. He called out Zaire for his consistency, and we know what a big thing that is for Kelly.

Basically, I think Zaire has a real opportunity to win the job in theory, but not in fact. He'll have to shock everyone by playing much better than anyone expects this fall to win it.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Coaches like game experience and that is the one thing Golson has on MZ. For MZ to beat out Golson for the job, one would think the coaches would need to see some serious seperation. Somehow, I don't think that will happen.

I would think that BK would want to name the starter quicker rather than later. With one being a righty and one being a lefty, it does make a difference with the OL and the receivers. Somehow I don't think MZ is entertaining the dreaded T Word if he fails to win the job.

 

[Luckylucci]

Coaches like game experience and that is the one thing Golson has on MZ. For MZ to beat out Golson for the job, one would think the coaches would need to see some serious seperation. Somehow, I don't think that will happen.

I would think that BK would want to name the starter quicker rather than later. With one being a righty and one being a lefty, it does make a difference with the OL and the receivers. Somehow I don't think MZ is entertaining the dreaded T Word if he fails to win the job.

I agree, at this point it really wouldn't make sense. Really nothing to gain by doing so. He wouldn't see the field any sooner.

 

[Irish#1]

It's really simple. We really don't know what we have with Zaire. We've seen him in practice and game type situations, but we've not seen him with real bullets flying, a jet DE bearing down on him and trying to find the second or third option.

We know he has the talent, but until he's in a real game we won't know. BK has been known to put another QB in the game when you least expect it, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Zaire put in when we least think it. The best scenario is to get a huge lead on Rice and let him get to play most of the second half. Then when we're up 21 on scUM late in the game he can come in and close out the last five minutes.

 

[gkIrish]

I agree, at this point it really wouldn't make sense. Really nothing to gain by doing so. He wouldn't see the field any sooner.

Coaches like game experience and that is the one thing Golson has on MZ. For MZ to beat out Golson for the job, one would think the coaches would need to see some serious seperation. Somehow, I don't think that will happen.

I would think that BK would want to name the starter quicker rather than later. With one being a righty and one being a lefty, it does make a difference with the OL and the receivers. Somehow I don't think MZ is entertaining the dreaded T Word if he fails to win the job.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that he would transfer now if he didn't win the job. But I do think if Kelly hadn't painted a picture of an open QB competition way back when EG was suspended, MZ would have definitely considered it. If Kelly came out and said EG will start when he returns to the program, MZ may have bolted. And it would be shady if BK backed away from his comments now that camp just started so BK is continuing to publicly refuse to name a starter even though we know EG will start.

 

[GATTACA!]

Idk if this is new but I just saw Golson is tied for the 9th best odds in Vegas to win the heisman at 20/1.

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[BobbyMac]

Somehow I don't think MZ is entertaining the dreaded T Word if he fails to win the job.

He will not transfer.

I just confirmed this with REAL jojoblack.

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[alohagoirish]

Malik will not be transferring for so many reasons.

First he like all talented CFB players has dreams of the NFL. There is no rush for him on that count, given his size he will need the full 5 years to even try. Second Golson is unlikely to start all 13 games given his history and the history of the QB spot at ND. Third with only Kizer behind him and not Barnett he is simply guaranteed the keys to the car for the two years after EG. Fourth if he did transfer he would have to sit a year and that would literally ruin his college career. Fifth there is always a chance Golson leaves for some reason himself handing the job to Malik or of course the dreaded injury occurs. Bottom line there is NO WAY beyond some scandal that Malik leaves zero percentage in its ZERO he has made his bed here at ND and we should all be happy about it and feel totally safe that he will finish his career where he started it.

 

[Emcee77]

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that he would transfer now if he didn't win the job. But I do think if Kelly hadn't painted a picture of an open QB competition way back when EG was suspended, MZ would have definitely considered it. If Kelly came out and said EG will start when he returns to the program, MZ may have bolted. And it would be shady if BK backed away from his comments now that camp just started so BK is continuing to publicly refuse to name a starter even though we know EG will start.

Right, I thought it was clear what you were saying, even if others didn't. The point wasn't so much that Malik might consider transferring, as a matter of fact, as it was that Kelly consistently claims in his public comments that there is an open QB competition, even if he is pretty sure who will win it it, as a means of keeping everybody engaged. After 4 years, the pattern is pretty clear.

 

[koonja]

24 days!

 

[Irish#1]

Stop mentioning the T word.

 

[stlnd01]

I would think Kizer is a much higher risk for "the T word" than Zaire. Though the odds of that happening went down considerably when Barnett bailed. We may actually have a QB pipeline for once.

 

[vmgsf]

Looking at some of the highlight videos of Everett Golson - an incredible ability to extend plays. One defensive lineman charges in at him - Everett just dances away. Defensive lineman hits ground with a thud. Nimble , quick steps. Everett is an elusive dancer.

I would not want be a defensive lineman trying to sack him all by myself.

Everett is the QB. Malik will get a lot of playing time. Notre Dame will blow some teams out.

Two very fine QB's - this is the best it has been at Notre Dame for a long time.

 

[arrowryan]

It's kinda nice not having to worry about who will be the QB and if they will produce or not.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I would think Kizer is a much higher risk for "the T word" than Zaire. Though the odds of that happening went down considerably when Barnett bailed. We may actually have a QB pipeline for once.

From Keith Arnold : "He’s been forgotten in the chaos that was triggered by Blake Barnett’s recruitment, but DeShone Kizer (14) looks the part of a young stud quarterback."

I think that DeShone Kizer is the least likely guy to transfer I can think of. He went into this with his eyes wide open. He knew the depth chart ahead of him. He also knew and acknowledged what development work he had to do to compete at the level he wants. From everything anyone has ever said about him, he is very realistic and well grounded. He has the work ethic to get the job done. And he exudes confidence and his attitudes are contagious.

He is a great guy for the situation, and the situation is good for him. As I see him being the quarterback with the highest ceiling on the roster, I hope he starts pushing EG and MZ next year for sure, if not by the end of this season.

 

[BobbyMac]

He's the most likely to transfer by 1000%.

EG can't.

MZ wouldn't play until his redshirt Jr year... the same time he will be handed the keys at ND in the worst case scenario.

MVG's Dad would ground him and take away his iPhone.

That leaves DK as the most likely by a long shot..

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He's the most likely to transfer by 1000%.

EG can't.

MZ wouldn't play until his redshirt Jr year... the same time he will be handed the keys at ND in the worst case scenario.

MVG's Dad would ground him and take away his iPhone.

That leaves DK as the most likely by a long shot..

Then we are really in good shape, aren't we?

Because the only way I could see Kizer transferring is if he isn't confident that he is "good enough to play at this level.

Take if from others that know, he is sure, barring unforeseen circumstances that he will play on Sundays. I may have stated it more brashly than he would, but this kids plan is to soak up everything he can get, riding the pines is not a problem, because he is confident that his time will come. I think he really believes BK and MLaF will do the best possible job coaching him. He is here for the education (ND Degree), the staff, the school, and the experience.

 

[Luckylucci]

Then we are really in good shape, aren't we?

Because the only way I could see Kizer transferring is if he isn't confident that he is "good enough to play at this level.

Take if from others that know, he is sure, barring unforeseen circumstances that he will play on Sundays. I may have stated it more brashly than he would, but this kids plan is to soak up everything he can get, riding the pines is not a problem, because he is confident that his time will come. I think he really believes BK and MLaF will do the best possible job coaching him. He is here for the education (ND Degree), the staff, the school, and the experience.

I agree, he didn't come here to start right away. In fact that was LSU's pitch to him that he turned down. He's a very intelligent kid, like you've mentioned many times, and he understands the entire process. He's said as much on many occasions.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Looking at some of the highlight videos of Everett Golson - an incredible ability to extend plays. One defensive lineman charges in at him - Everett just dances away. Defensive lineman hits ground with a thud. Nimble , quick steps. Everett is an elusive dancer.

I would not want be a defensive lineman trying to sack him all by myself.

Everett is the QB. Malik will get a lot of playing time. Notre Dame will blow some teams out.

Two very fine QB's - this is the best it has been at Notre Dame for a long time.

The last five or six games in 2012, EG started to exert himself as more of a run threat. I believe he nearly doubled his YPC in those games as compared to the first five or so games. Would have to verify that but I think I am correct. I think as he got comfortable, he showed that flash enough to have to be accounted for. I would expect much the same from him this year.

 

[NCND]

The last five or six games in 2012, EG started to exert himself as more of a run threat. I believe he nearly doubled his YPC in those games as compared to the first five or so games. Would have to verify that but I think I am correct. I think as he got comfortable, he showed that flash enough to have to be accounted for. I would expect much the same from him this year.

Agree. After that Oklahoma game he was a different QB.

 

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[ndfi78]

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Awesome to hear him talk about owning up to his responsibility. It seems to be more and more rare these days.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>On a scale of 10-12, how flippin sweet does EG look in a karate gi (with sleeves ripped off) <a href="http://t.co/0d1ZsjA0qc">http://t.co/0d1ZsjA0qc</a> <a href="http://t.co/iQTHNA8Iwu">pic.twitter.com/iQTHNA8Iwu</a></p>— ndmspaint (@ndmspaint) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndmspaint/statuses/497793477241892864">August 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

Then we are really in good shape, aren't we?

Because the only way I could see Kizer transferring is if he isn't confident that he is "good enough to play at this level.

Take if from others that know, he is sure, barring unforeseen circumstances that he will play on Sundays. I may have stated it more brashly than he would, but this kids plan is to soak up everything he can get, riding the pines is not a problem, because he is confident that his time will come. I think he really believes BK and MLaF will do the best possible job coaching him. He is here for the education (ND Degree), the staff, the school, and the experience.

The question is... If Kizer feels by the end of next year that he cannot beat out MZ and say another Malik rolls into town... does he leave for a MAC school and a chance to get to the league?

Think about it, if he can't beat out MZ, he doesn't get the keys until his FIFTH year... and then he'll have a blue chip from the class of '16 on his heels. Tough call if you wanna play. There are very few Matt Cassel's out there...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

TIL that Golson is Sean from SFIII.