'16 CA QB Malik Henry (Florida State Verbal)

[GBdomer]

I think the baseball thing is blown up. I am pretty sure it's a lot more football then baseball. But no one really knows that for sure. But he will be playing college football

 

[Luckylucci]

How can we afford to hang all of our hopes on someone who may bolt for the MLB? If 2016 was a normal year where we could afford to miss on a QB, it wouldn't be an issue. But that's not the case.

If that is the case then I totally agree. However, I don't know this to be true, was just saying what I've read, and that was the first time I'd had seen any mention of it being that serious. Again nothing from Malik himself other than when he was at FSU he mentioned, as a positive, that he'd be able to play baseball there in addition to football. That sounded like a football first decision to me, though. People have made comparisons to Barnetts recruitment with there being a lot of flight risk. However, I see a couple distinct differences. This kid already has all the offers he wants or can possibly get and has visited every place he's wanted to thus far. I think that decreases the flight risk by a fair margin. I am with you though that we can't afford to miss.

Let me add that I think you guys are overlooking one significant development of camp so far that has lowered our need for future QB's and that is MVG!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think the baseball thing is blown up. I am pretty sure it's a lot more football then baseball. But no one really knows that for sure. But he will be playing college football

If that is the case then I totally agree. However, I don't know this to be true, was just saying what I've read, and that was the first time I'd had seen any mention of it being that serious. Again nothing from Malik himself other than when he was at FSU he mentioned, as a positive, that he'd be able to play baseball there in addition to football. That sounded like a football first decision to me, though. People have made comparisons to Barnetts recruitment with there being a lot of flight risk. However, I see a couple distinct differences. This kid already has all the offers he wants or can possibly get and has visited every place he's wanted to thus far. I think that decreases the flight risk by a fair margin. I am with you though that we can't afford to miss.

The baseball angle, even if it seems very unlikely now, is a huge problem. Who wants to wager the immediate future of our program on the chance that MLB is going to swoop in and offer Henry a few million to leave ND at the altar?

 

[Domina Nostra]

No way Kelly accepts a committment from a 2016 kid who is not 100% sure of his decision.

I kow kids can change their minds, but I think he is going to really demand the kid think long and hard before he pulls the trigger.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

No way Kelly accepts a committment from a 2016 kid who is not 100% sure of his decision.

I kow kids can change their minds, but I think he is going to really demand the kid think long and hard before he pulls the trigger.

I'm not sure what a kid like Henry could do to convince me, were I Kelly, that he could be relied upon to turn down millions of dollars from the MLB if they came calling.

 

[GBdomer]

No way Kelly accepts a committment from a 2016 kid who is not 100% sure of his decision.

I kow kids can change their minds, but I think he is going to really demand the kid think long and hard before he pulls the trigger.

I don't think the staff would be wasting there time. The baseball thing is getting way overblown. This isn't Bubba Starling

 

[ResLife Hero]

I don't think the staff would be wasting there time. The baseball thing is getting way overblown. This isn't Bubba Starling

Not sure of his pro ambitions, but, at least in June, he was planning on playing college baseball and football.

Malik Henry, No. 1 dual-threat QB in Class of 2016, says on Michigan State visit 'I'd love to play here' | MLive.com

Henry said his style of football compares to Florida State Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.

"I can run when I need to, but I like scrambling and making a play down field,'' Henry said, "and, like him, I'm a two-sport athlete. I play baseball, relief pitcher. I plan to play in college.''

I don't know a ton about baseball scouting, but do they usually offer the big bucks to young relievers? I assumed they usually plucked up guys who were starters or closers who threw really really hard.

 

[koonja]

I'm not sure what a kid like Henry could do to convince me, were I Kelly, that he could be relied upon to turn down millions of dollars from the MLB if they came calling.

Half of the teams in college football have broken out hearts in recruiting. Watch MLB come in for the dagger, lol.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm not sure what a kid like Henry could do to convince me, were I Kelly, that he could be relied upon to turn down millions of dollars from the MLB if they came calling.

If he is a reliever, they won't.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Half of the teams in college football have broken out hearts in recruiting. Watch MLB come in for the dagger, lol.

Seriously. We have a hard enough time holding onto 5 recruits from Cali, even when our only competition consists of other college programs that offer an objectively inferior product to ND. Now we're going to risk holding off those snakeoil salemen, and the MLB draft? Even if the chance Henry declares is only 5-10%, that's too much risk in my mind.

If he is a reliever, they won't.

Glad to hear it. I know nothing about baseball, and I'd like to assume the staff has satisfied themselves that the MLB isn't a realistic option for Henry. CA 5s are already so risky, though... anything at all that enhances that risk is a big problem.

 

[koonja]

Malik is not going to the MLB.


He's going to FSU. That's how the world works.

 

[Luckylucci]

Per TJ,

FWIW, which isn't a whole lot in recruiting these days, feel pretty good here based on feedback and communications to date.

 

[enrico514]

Anyone know how good of a baseball prospect he is?

 

[pkt77242]

Seriously. We have a hard enough time holding onto 5 recruits from Cali, even when our only competition consists of other college programs that offer an objectively inferior product to ND. Now we're going to risk holding off those snakeoil salemen, and the MLB draft? Even if the chance Henry declares is only 5-10%, that's too much risk in my mind.



Glad to hear it. I know nothing about baseball, and I'd like to assume the staff has satisfied themselves that the MLB isn't a realistic option for Henry. CA 5s are already so risky, though... anything at all that enhances that risk is a big problem.

I think it is not realistic as I just looked at Westlake's baseball roster and he played JV last year. I highly doubt he is a first round talent in baseball if he didn't make Varsity as a Sophomore. Westlake Warrior Baseball

 

[NDdomer2]

Mlb relievers grew up as the best starting pitcher in their town/hs.

 

[Irish#1]

Of that group ND will have the best depth chart and we've seem to make it pretty clear to 2016 kids that if they want in we won't recruit in front of them (2015). He has an unofficial scheduled which means they had to buy their own air fare, it wouldn't seem likely that he'd commit someplace else prior to making that visit. That is the positives. The negatives is I still can't get away from all the rumblings that FSU blew him away on that visit. If its FSU before the summer is over I will lose my mind that they get 4 QB commits before we get 1.

aybe the excitement of the visit finally wore off.

The Michigan game would fall into "the next couple of weeks."

Pure speculation on my part, but that would make sense.

Doesn't couple = two? scUM game is a month away.

 

[D-BOE34]

We have had football/baseball guys in the past. Any reason he can't do both at ND now? Only thing I can think of is basketball/football guys overlap seasons which makes it tougher. Baseball I wouldn't think is as big of an issue.

 

[Rack Em]

aybe the excitement of the visit finally wore off.



Doesn't couple = two? scUM game is a month away.

IMO, "A couple of weeks" is a very relative term to an 17 year old kid.

 

[koonja]

So one insider hears 'couple of weeks', Rackem extends that to a month because to him and Rackem Willie, time is just a thought... An hour later, there's an update with a reporter who talked to Malik who says 'he'll focus on his decision after his season', AKA, November/December-ish?

Gotta love recruiting.

Still no CBs for ND, and one switched yesterday from MSU to FSU (Sean Scherer).

 

[connor_in]

My question on QBs comes to this...at what point does ND become attractive as a destination? Prominent football school, tons of exposure, 2015 being either a year without a QB or at best an under ther rader/project guy, and, while I like Kizer, there were many that don't necessarily think of him as elite. Not to mention a backfield that seems stacked right now and a group of receivers most coaches would feel really good about.

Does it take Golson (with reps for Zaire) having a great year to get us on the map and wipe Tommy's version of our offense out of recruit's minds?

 

[ResLife Hero]

My question on QBs comes to this...at what point does ND become attractive as a destination? Prominent football school, tons of exposure, 2015 being either a year without a QB or at best an under ther rader/project guy, and, while I like Kizer, there were many that don't necessarily think of him as elite. Not to mention a backfield that seems stacked right now and a group of receivers most coaches would feel really good about.

Does it take Golson (with reps for Zaire) having a great year to get us on the map and wipe Tommy's version of our offense out of recruit's minds?

That's not even mentioning our O-Line and TEs. You'd really think an elite QB would be jumping on that, but for some reason we struggle with that last piece.

 

[IrishLion]

Does it take Golson (with reps for Zaire) having a great year to get us on the map and wipe Tommy's version of our offense out of recruit's minds?

I think it's this simple. A mobile QB has a good year, puts up some big passing numbers and actually puts BK's spread offense on film for an entire season, some good QBs should start lining up for the position at ND. Everyone will want to be the next Golson/Zaire, just like they want to be the next Miller/Mariota/Winston/Manziel right now.

 

[koonja]

Because to an outsider, watching ND's offense has been about as exciting as doing homework.

When Texas A/M, Oregon, FSU, OSU, Auburn are hanging 40 on everyone they play, it makes ND's offense look simply boring.

But that's about to change. I have little doubt we'll land a stud 2016 QB.

 

[Irish#1]

One would have to think a great offensive season would sell some of these kids. However, I'll bet opposing coaches still use Kelly's purple face meltdown from a few years back as ammunition against us.

 

[koonja]

One would have to think a great offensive season would sell some of these kids. However, I'll bet opposing coaches still use Kelly's purple face meltdown from a few years back as ammunition against us.[/QUOTE]

I bet that's water under the bridge at this point. It wasn't a pattern of behavior, it was one outburst.

 

[zelezo vlk]

My question on QBs comes to this...at what point does ND become attractive as a destination? Prominent football school, tons of exposure, 2015 being either a year without a QB or at best an under ther rader/project guy, and, while I like Kizer, there were many that don't necessarily think of him as elite. Not to mention a backfield that seems stacked right now and a group of receivers most coaches would feel really good about.

Does it take Golson (with reps for Zaire) having a great year to get us on the map and wipe Tommy's version of our offense out of recruit's minds?

Couple a boring offense with the fact that you actually, you know, have to go to class? Yeah, I imagine that's a turnoff for a lot of young QB prospects.

 

[IrishLion]

One would have to think a great offensive season would sell some of these kids. However, I'll bet opposing coaches still use Kelly's purple face meltdown from a few years back as ammunition against us.

Pretty sure my face got purple, too, when that pass bounced off of TJ's face.

 

[STLDomer]

Still no CBs for ND, and one switched yesterday from MSU to FSU (Sean Scherer).

Everyone's a follower on the CB except a few. Loy's homerism isn't shining through on this one probably because he's a FSU fan, otherwise he'd probably have a ND CB.

 

[BobbyMac]

My question on QBs comes to this...at what point does ND become attractive as a destination?

Any player can like any school or the situation at any school.

Eason liked the thought of being the next Stafford or Murray at UGA even though his Dad played at ND and he'll be living on the wrong side of the country, forcing anybody close to him in Washington to get up for 9am games on pay per view.

On the flip side, Henry liked MSU. If MSU can be a QB destination for the #1 player in the country out of California then... ANYTHING is possible in any situation.

A guy last night at happy hour brought up a good point... There is no hiding at ND. Every game is on national tv...everybody knows and's reminded each Saturday if you're not playing, that you're a clipboard QB... whereas you can go just about anywhere else, even in this age of more games being televised.... and work hard, wait your turn while flying under the radar.

Going to ND exposes you in every sense of the word. Most can't handle that.

Not everyone is wired like Jimmy Clausen and able to ride into South Bend like Jim McMahon did in Chicago back in the 80's. It takes REAL brass to do it. That's why I like Zaire so much, he knew what ND was all about and he wants the pressure of being the man. He desires it, he expects it. It isn't talk with him.

Nothing would make me happier than 5 years of Malik under center in South Bend.

 

[BobbyMac]

One would have to think a great offensive season would sell some of these kids. However, I'll bet opposing coaches still use Kelly's purple face meltdown from a few years back as ammunition against us.

NO ONE ever used that while trying to recruit a QB against ND.... because they ALL do it.

If they did mention it, they promised to only do it in practice or the film room... not on national tv.

Because they aren't ND... they aren't on national tv every week.