Notre Dame Switching to UnderArmour

[koonja]

Threads like this aren't the same without Pat.

 

[greyhammer90]

I honestly don't understand why that would be a problem but playing for ND in and of itself wouldn't be. I think any kid who would have a problem with a cross on his uniform probably wouldn't be enrolling at Notre Dame in the first place.

Let's say you go to your best friends house, and he's Jewish. You love his family, so it doesn't bother you to be quiet during their meal-time prayer, and you generally respect their traditions by being silent and not attempting to cause waves.

Then one day, that family says we've changed the rules in our house, now you need to wear a Star of David and a Yamaca to eat with us.

Do you really not see a difference?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I don't like the cross idea because I think it'll be tacky. It's that simple. You don't even need to get into the religious aspect.

 

[fightingirish26]

Exactly but the state was founded because Lord Baltimore was trying to escape religious persecution in order to practice his Catholic faith. He brought many Catholics with him. I believe Maryland (which is named after Mary) is still a very Catholic area but obviously not religiously affiliated.

Pretty sure Maryland is named after Queen Mary.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't like the cross idea because I think it'll be tacky. It's that simple. You don't even need to get into the religious aspect.

Agreed, but the main reason it's tacky is because of the religious implications of a cross.

 

[fightingirish26]

Let's say you go to your best friends house, and he's Jewish. You love his family, so it doesn't bother you to be quiet during their meal-time prayer, and you generally respect their traditions by being silent and not attempting to cause waves.

Then one day, that family says we've changed the rules in our house, now you need to wear a Star of David and a Yamaca to eat with us.

Do you really not see a difference?

This is the best analogy I have seen so far. Reps

 

[Rack Em]

I think East Carolina's logo is offensive...to butt pirates. Not all pirates carry those types of swords and look for that type of buried treasure.

 

[dshans]

Let's say you go to your best friends house, and he's Jewish. You love his family... Then one day, that family says we've changed the rules in our house, now you need to wear a Star of David and a Yamaca to eat with us.

Do you really not see a difference?

You yutz! It's "Yarmulke!!!"

Sheesh ...

 

[Irish#1]

So, who else is excited about Under Armour?

 

[NCND]

So, who else is excited about Under Armour?

Me! Can't wait. People are actually having a full on convo about a cross on a uniform. LOL

 

[Domina Nostra]

I don't like the crosses either. Unless you are going to say, "We play for the Holy Cross" I think its better to leave them off then play them down as a mere cultural/historical decoration.

Pretty sure Maryland is named after Queen Mary.

Lord Baltimore pretextually claimed to be naming it after the wife of King Charles, but he was thoroughly Catholic and EVERYONE knew exaclty what he was doing. The orignal capital was named St. Mary's City.

The religious freedom in Maryland was short-lived, there were ugly persecutions, William Penn managed to wrench Deleware away from the colony, etc., etc.

Luckily, we've manged to get past all that ugliness because most everyone (catholic and Protestant) who is educated and/or influential either (1) stopped caring about religion, (2) only uses it as a flourish for social or politcal goals, (3) agrees to treat it as a completely private affair, (4) subjegates it to the prevelant culture, conceding any point that is not-PC.

 

[gkIrish]

Let's say you go to your best friends house, and he's Jewish. You love his family, so it doesn't bother you to be quiet during their meal-time prayer, and you generally respect their traditions by being silent and not attempting to cause waves.

Then one day, that family says we've changed the rules in our house, now you need to wear a Star of David and a Yamaca to eat with us.

Do you really not see a difference?

Yea this is what I've been trying to say without using a good analogy like this one. Curious to see what wizards or others would think about this situation.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yea this is what I've been trying to say without using a good analogy like this one. Curious to see what wizards or others would think about this situation.

I would have no problem with doing that. Same God. Maybe not a good analogy after all. Better question would be... Should a Jewish player on the Notre Dame football team be exempt from wearing the cross if he were opposed to it... and the answer would be of course.

 

[greyhammer90]

I would have no problem with doing that. Same God. Maybe not a good analogy after all. Better question would be... Should a Jewish player on the Notre Dame football team be exempt from wearing the cross if he were opposed to it... and the answer would be of course.

I thought all ND football players had implicitly agreed to represent Catholicism by signing up? So are we in agreement that being told to wear a cross is different from attending a group mass?

 

[gkIrish]

I thought all ND football players had implicitly agreed to represent Catholicism by signing up? So are we in agreement that being told to wear a cross is different from attending a group mass?

It's not implicit. It's clause 44(c) in their letter of intent.

 

[Irish8248]

Who reads contracts anyways.

 

[gkIrish]

Who reads contracts anyways.

It's my job

 

[Huntr]

ND helmets to feature Under Armour visors. Apparently some will be reflective. http://t.co/1YMgEMx5Eg (via @wcjirish)

Per UniWatch twitters

 

[wizards8507]

ND helmets to feature Under Armour visors. Apparently some will be reflective. http://t.co/1YMgEMx5Eg (via @wcjirish)

Is that even allowed?

 

[dublinirish]

i think uniwatch jumped the gun with the reflective visors comment, these are banned by ncaa. the helmet in the photo is just for display photos.

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[ndfi78]

dublinirish is right.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens">@BGI_AndrewOwens</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/PhilHecken">@PhilHecken</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/wcjirish">@wcjirish</a> That is a demo in our equipment room. ND helmet visors will have UA tabs but will not be reflective.</p>— Leigh Torbin (@LTorbin) <a href="https://twitter.com/LTorbin/statuses/494842416894328832">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[#1rish]

Who else wears a visor on the team aside from Everett?

 

[dublinirish]

Who else wears a visor on the team aside from Everett?

from what i gather BK made players "earn" their visors. I was surprized then that EG was wearing one in spring ball

 

[Ndaccountant]

Who else wears a visor on the team aside from Everett?

BK






I will show myself out

 

[irishfan]

I think Bryant "earned" one for not muffing a punt in the spring game.

Where was Goodman's visor?

 

[AllGoldEverything]

Badass, too bad they cant wear these.

 

[BurningRiver]

Badass, too bad they cant wear these.

I actually think it looks stupid. At least with that facemask.

 

[BobbyMac]

Badass, too bad they cant wear these.

Can't wear those helmets with the Holy Cross anchors.... You gonna start another Holy War on here again... and heaven only knows what other kind of religious symbolism that helmet has!.

I on the other hand think that would be a killer helmet to wear for one of the SS games.

 

[dublinirish]

Jimmy Clausen wore a reflective visor in practice for a few weeks after he got punched that one time