ND Scheduled Georgia (Ironman leaving the Country during 2019)

[ACamp1900]

Honestly, someone should forward this to the scUM athletic department and ask if we are still chicken...

 

[TheChosen1]

@McMurphyESPN: W/Georgia games, Notre Dame-Texas in ’17 & ’19 in jeopardy. “Hopeful we will be able to reschedule,” Jack Swarbrick told @ESPN

 

[gkIrish]

@McMurphyESPN: W/Georgia games, Notre Dame-Texas in ’17 & ’19 in jeopardy. “Hopeful we will be able to reschedule,” Jack Swarbrick told @ESPN

Well then....

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Texas in jeopardy is fine IMO. Gotta diversify that portfolio, and we still have the Horns coming up soon.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Camp, a poster on ESPN shares your angst:

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Texas in jeopardy is fine IMO. Gotta diversify that portfolio, and we still have the Horns coming up soon.

If that's the case (and it likely is), then lining up UGa on short notice to replace UT is a coup.

But if we're essentially trading UT for UGa, I like it less. UT is a more lucrative opponent for lots of reasons.

 

[Grahambo]

Curious as to why Jack feels that way.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I was under the impression we still had UT lined up for 15 and 16.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Curious as to why Jack feels that way.

Mostly recruiting and relative strength of those two programs. We have no other presence in Texas outside of Shamrock Series games, while our ACC schedule will keep us relevant in GA. And I'd much rather play Texas than Georgia right now, though who can say how strong they'll be in 2017?

Regardless, I very much doubt such a trade occurred, and even if it did, I don't have strong feelings on it.

 

[Catholics_Rule]

Very cool news. Notre Dame continues to schedule games against top programs.

 

[Grahambo]

Mostly recruiting and relative strength of those two programs. We have no other presence in Texas outside of Shamrock Series games, while our ACC schedule will keep us relevant in GA. And I'd much rather play Texas than Georgia right now, though who can say how strong they'll be in 2017?

Regardless, I very much doubt such a trade occurred, and even if it did, I don't have strong feelings on it.

Far be it for me to criticize any move that JS makes. The man is an excellent strategist and savvy at PR. I have yet to be disappointed by any of his moves as AD.

 

[TheChosen1]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish and Georgia Bulldogs to meet in 2017 and 2019 - ESPN

Talks on how it affects Texas

 

[pumpdog20]

I love the big time schedule. By 2019, BK is going to have this machine rolling.

 

[phork]

I love the big time schedule. By 2019, BK is going to have this machine rolling.

BK won't be here in 2019.

 

[ulukinatme]

What's lost in this is that USC is about to be a monster again, FSU is the #1 team in the country, and Stanford is only going up.

I don't think people realize how good USC is about to be, assuming Sark isn't a total idiot. They're getting everyone they want, and the scholarship reductions are about to become a non factor. They're going to be a NFL factory from now until 2020 if I had to guess.

Yes, USC is certainly primed to take a step back up on the national stage, but it will probably take a year...maybe two for them to get there. They still have a lot of holes in their trenches, they didn't recruit well there during sanctions. It takes time to breed an OL, which is great that Heistand has been pulling in studs for us for awhile now. You're right though, if Sark isn't a total idiot, USC should do well in the coming years...but I don't think he'll achieve Cheaty Petey greatness.

I don't see FSU going on a dominant run. They'll dominate their division in the ACC for sure, but I expect them to be up and down and getting to the playoff once every 3rd year or so. I think Jimbo is a decent coach, but not necessarily an elite coach. I mean, we almost beat him in 2011 with a bunch of rookies and Tommy Rees...let that sink in.

However, Stanford is only going up? I don't see it. I think they can't possibly go much higher. They've had some regular trips to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Fiesta including some wins. The only way they could do more is hitting the NCG, and I just don't see that happening. They're replacing some very good players and leaders on defense this year, and theres other holes there. Eventually Stanford will falter a bit. In fact, maybe they already have since they had 3 losses last year (First time since '09). The PAC-12 North still has Oregon, they're not going anywhere yet. Washington improved under Sark, and it's possible they'll continue that trend under Petersen. Mike Leach isn't a bad coach, and it's not unfathomable that Washington State couldn't continue to improve...he did take them to their first bowl game since 2003 last year. I don't seriously expect Washington State to knock off Stanford this year, but Leach could pull an upset sometime in the near future. My point is, I think Stanford will hang around for maybe another year or two, then I expect more 3-5 loss seasons coming....and Shaw will probably be gone to a better job which will help get that ball rolling.

 

[philipm31]

Because you're a scaredy cat.

This x 100000000000

 

[philipm31]

I want to see ND win National Titles and be a year in year out contender like they were when I was a kid... they will most likely never obtain that level again when they play schedules like this as every other 'name' program, at the same time, schedules themselves 9 or so wins before the season even starts... LAX's post I highlighted (and whiskey did again just above) on the past page hit on this perfectly...

I'm not against adding UGA... I'm against adding UGA to this schedule design without dropping someone else for an easy win... or three or four.

When I was a kid this kind of schedule was pretty much par for the course, and ND won a NC, and was a top 5 team nearly every year for half a decade, and ranked in the top 25 for a decade.

Running from competition is stupid...and who is to say that one or the other does not back out, or maybe we have another team back out, reschedule, etc?

This is something we can revisit in THREE YEARS when we actually play UGA.

Until then, stop agonizing over it. If we have as much trust in Kelly on here as we claim, then should we NOT expect to be in the mix every year, anyway, with him at the helm, no matter what the schedule is?

If not.....

 

[philipm31]

That's patently false.

1. Notre Dame isn't going to pull a significant amount of kids from the "deep" south (Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi) even if they played all of their away games in Birmingham. We never have pulled from those areas, and we never will.
2. The southern states that it does matter for us to hit are part of the ACC footprint. Georgia Tech gets us into Atlanta just as well as the University of Georgia gets us into the state, if not better. FSU/Miami are in Florida, which is the most important southern state to play in by far. NC State, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson get us into the Carolinas, which we also recruit heavily. The when it comes to playing in southern states, the ACC covers the exact same footprint as the SEC minus the deep south states that we aren't going to pull from with any regularity anyways.
3. The Shamrock Series can be used to get into any state we want for a game. It can get us into Texas vs. any school we want. It can get us into Florida to play whoever we want. No matter what, that traveling home game = access to any market we deem fit... rendering any singular home-and-home for "access" or "exposure" completely moot.

NINE of our 24 recruits from 2013 (Folston, Bryant, Robinson, Heurerman, Roachell, Hunter, among others) were from the South, particularly FL and TX.

7/23 in 2014 were from the South.

6/18 in 2012 were from the South.

8/24 in 2011 were from the South, as well.

So in the last 4 recruiting classes, the Irish have gotten 30/89 recruits from the South (just over 33%).

So yeah, the South has always been a hotbed or Irish recruiting, just that the interest in the South kind of ebbs and flows.

Kelly has made it a priority and to think that this is not part of the Kelly plan to get us a shot at better players is not accurate.

Saying that we never recruit well there is a fallacy because that is EXACTLY where Kelly has focused his energies in recruiting and it is working too.

 

[philipm31]

We have always pulled from TX and FL, whenever we put forth a concerted effort. Just saying we will never pull from there is defeatist and silly.

Might as well say we should give up CA too ~eyeroll~

 

[greyhammer90]

We have always pulled from TX and FL, whenever we put forth a concerted effort. Just saying we will never pull from there is defeatist and silly.

Might as well say we should give up CA too ~eyeroll~

Before you get all haughty you might want to actually read the post. He specifically said the Deep South and labeled them as Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississipi. We don't and have never consistently recruited well from those areas. He wasn't talking about Texas or Florida and he specifically said so.

~eyeroll #infinitystamped #notakesesbacksies

 

[TheTurningPoint]

5 Exciting Reasons to play Georgia | Irish Turning Point

 

[Black Irish]

Is there anything in the NCAA rules that prohibit ND from playing a 13th game? Is it an option if the Irish want to fight the "they don't play a conference champ" argument. Just a thought.

 

[ThePiombino]

Is there anything in the NCAA rules that prohibit ND from playing a 13th game? Is it an option if the Irish want to fight the "they don't play a conference champ" argument. Just a thought.

Our schedule isn't tough enough, you want to add a 13th game?? lmao

 

[Cali_domer]

Our schedule isn't tough enough, you want to add a 13th game?? lmao

Dallas Cowboys at Jerry Dome

 

[dublinirish]

Is there anything in the NCAA rules that prohibit ND from playing a 13th game? Is it an option if the Irish want to fight the "they don't play a conference champ" argument. Just a thought.

yes but it has to be in Hawaii

 

[dublinirish]

Dallas Cowboys at Jerry Dome

he said tough

 

[Cali_domer]

he said tough

Nice...

 

[Black Irish]

Our schedule isn't tough enough, you want to add a 13th game?? lmao

Calm down, that's not what I'm saying. But if the "Irish don't play a conference championship" stigma weighs so heavily that it affects our ability to get in the NCG, I'm just curious if it's a possibility open to ND under NCAA rules.

 

[IrishLax]

NINE of our 24 recruits from 2013 (Folston, Bryant, Robinson, Heurerman, Roachell, Hunter, among others) were from the South, particularly FL and TX.

7/23 in 2014 were from the South.

6/18 in 2012 were from the South.

8/24 in 2011 were from the South, as well.

So in the last 4 recruiting classes, the Irish have gotten 30/89 recruits from the South (just over 33%).

So yeah, the South has always been a hotbed or Irish recruiting, just that the interest in the South kind of ebbs and flows.

Kelly has made it a priority and to think that this is not part of the Kelly plan to get us a shot at better players is not accurate.

Saying that we never recruit well there is a fallacy because that is EXACTLY where Kelly has focused his energies in recruiting and it is working too.

We have always pulled from TX and FL, whenever we put forth a concerted effort. Just saying we will never pull from there is defeatist and silly.

Might as well say we should give up CA too ~eyeroll~

The funniest part about these two posts is how you clearly either did not read what I said or didn't take the time to understand it but then got all up on your high horse and even threw in an "eyeroll"... its' a bad look, dude.

I'm tempted to just not even respond and just let you re-read the post you quoted.

I clearly say recruiting the south IS important for a large number of states, and that the areas that are most important to us (Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, Virginia) are actually covered by the ACC footprint comparably or better than the SEC. I enumerated the 3 states not covered by the ACC footprint in the "deep" south (Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama) as the ones being of relative insignificance to Notre Dame's recruiting efforts. In Kelly's four signed classes, he has signed 0 prospects from these states. And I talk about how you can effectively get into Texas with the Shamrock Series.

So yeah... do better, and next time definitely don't be a douche without actually reading the post.

 

[wizards8507]

I honestly don't buy the recruiting angle at all. Georgia Tech already covers the state, if we're worried about that kind of thing, and they're in THE population center (Atlanta). I get that UGA is a "sexier" opponent, but any kid that cares about that kind of thing is PROBABLY going to an SEC school anyways.