Donald Sterling is not a progressive thinker

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I'm really surprised this is as big of a deal as it is. Not that racism gives me any feeling other than didgisy, buy it's been well known for a while that he's an old racist man.

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Personally....Both parties aren't right in their actions but I really don't feel bad for Sterling...I feel sorry for the girl though...Sterling, as any old man should well know, that a woman that young typically isn't in it for the love, but rather the money. This shit is old news but comes at a time when there aren't many other stories to cover...It's going to be a headline.

As for the girl, yes she may a scumbag whore, but to seriously touch that man for ANY amount of money, I feel bad that she found it worthwhile, especially given his views. My only confusion is, what the fuck is the deal with Sterling and his wife? Do they have an open relationship going on? She's courtside at the game today and I find that piece of this story rather odd.
 

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Personally....Both parties aren't right in their actions but I really don't feel bad for Sterling...I feel sorry for the girl though...Sterling, as any old man should well know, that a woman that young typically isn't in it for the love, but rather the money. This shit is old news but comes at a time when there aren't many other stories to cover...It's going to be a headline.

As for the girl, yes she may a scumbag whore, but to seriously touch that man for ANY amount of money, I feel bad that she found it worthwhile, especially given his views. My only confusion is, what the fuck is the deal with Sterling and his wife? Do they have an open relationship going on? She's courtside at the game today and I find that piece of this story rather odd.

Lol, my wife went off when they were talking about that. I then asked her what it would take walk away from 2 billion dollars, and she was way more understanding. Dude is the scum of the earth and racist as hell, but you can get away with just about anything when you're that rich.
 

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My view - if players quit on Sterling he is done. First hurdle for Sterling - do his players decide he is a piece of shit and needs to go. If they do - they quit on him and he is done. If he passes this huge hurdle then legal niceties come into play. What moron would attack Magic Johnson? Motherhood, Apple Pie and Magic Johnson.

Not defending his racism, but Magic isn't exactly a saint.
 
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How does racism end without shaming those who perpetuate it?

Personally, I doubt racism will ever truly end in our society, not as long as we continue to have unresolved class issues, historically and inherently built into our economic system and the institutional models that we continue to uphold. There are also varying levels of effectiveness when it comes to shaming, and all too often, it tends to stay on a superficial level. This doesn't mean we shouldn't fight back, and I did not intend to sound so indifferent, but realize I came off that way.

One could say the same thing about racist southerners back in the day if you're living well somewhere else.

I agree. My contention is more with the outrage being sparked by a private conversation. I despise opportunism. Where was the public outcry (mostly celebrity) when he settled claims for discriminatory practices? That's when his actions were truly made public and personal in their offensive nature. I'm not condoning what he said, but I am accounting for context. I'm reminded of Mel Gibson and the stupid comments he was recorded saying on multiple occasions. But hey, if this is what it took to break open Sterling's past ACTIONS, then I can admit that it will serve a benefit.

Excessive emotions is said shaming. It hasn't gone far enough yet (from what I've seen), people should refuse to buy tickets and players should demand trades until this piece of shit sells the team. And I would hope that buyers low-ball him on the price too.

I'm fine with this. I actually don't view what you are describing as excessive emotion, but rather, effective action. I'm with you. Shame his wallet. Money is the bottom line bruiser. Shame his character? That will not change him one iota at heart. Shame Jews and call him a redneck cracker as a reactionary response? It's perpetuating the exact same shit. (Obviously not holding you to such comments).

That is probably true, but where is this limit from empathy and sympathy coming from?

It's not about empathy or sympathy, and I apologize if that's how I conveyed my thoughts. Racism thoroughly DISGUSTS me, and I can admit to deflecting attention from it's perpetrators. I mean, I have been called things directly during my life (among incidents involving loved ones), and have learned to feel pity for people so short sighted and ignorant. In most cases, you can't change a person's heart for anything, but you can make them suffer economically. Once a scum, almost always a scum. I get that and support that as productive shaming. But ultimately, my point is about more effectively putting a stop to racism by not gimmicking out such a serious topic. (Again, not holding you to this.)

I respect your passion and opinions. Thanks.
 
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The reason why there wasn't a big outburst for his discrimination lawsuit is because the Clippers were as inconsequential as a Los Angeles major sports team can be. Also there wasn't this first hand evidence either. Everything was "alleged" or "reported", but now we can hear him say a bunch of racist nonsense.
 

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A big reason why the Clippers will never surpass the Lakers is this prick Sterling. This crap has been going on for to long.
 

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I'm really surprised this is as big of a deal as it is. Not that racism gives me any feeling other than didgisy, buy it's been well known for a while that he's an old racist man.

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Same.

If this was someone who didn't have a history of racial issues, then I'd be a bit more torn on the whole, "It was a private conversation" piece. I'm sure all of us have had conversations with our mistresses that we wouldn't exactly want coming to light. I'm sure there is a really wonderful and enlightening conversation we could have about being a "Closet [Insert irrational fear here]", be it racist, bigot, homophob, ect.., and if having those type of conversations in your home, to your loved ones, says more about you than the example you set in public (for example, I may have a bias against transgenders and make it known to my wife, but does that matter if I treat them all with respect and dignity outside of my home. What is the extent of "tolerance")?

But, as has been said, that conversation doesn't exist here. Donald Sterling is/has been a racist for some time. The fact that he was about to win a second lifetime achievement award from the NAACP is, well, funny if nothing else.
 
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Same.

If this was someone who didn't have a history of racial issues, then I'd be a bit more torn on the whole, "It was a private conversation" piece. I'm sure all of us have had conversations with our mistresses that we wouldn't exactly want coming to light. I'm sure there is a really wonderful and enlightening conversation we could have about being a "Closet [Insert irrational fear here]", be it racist, bigot, homophob, ect.., and if having those type of conversations in your home, to your loved ones, says more about you than the example you set in public (for example, I may have a bias against transgenders and make it known to my wife, but does that matter if I treat them all with respect and dignity outside of my home. What is the extent of "tolerance")?

But, as has been said, that conversation doesn't exist here. Donald Sterling is/has been a racist for some time. The fact that he was about to win a second lifetime achievement award from the NAACP is, well, funny if nothing else.


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Wow&#133; I don't even know where to begin&#133; not one thing you said is anywhere near accurate.

You are an arrogant poster and frankly, annoying.

If you are unfamiliar with the global popularity of the nba, then perhaps you should educate yourself before you speak with such ignorance.

But, ignorance and arrogance are what you do best.
So, I shouldn't be surprised.
 

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You are an arrogant poster and frankly, annoying.

If you are unfamiliar with the global popularity of the nba, then perhaps you should educate yourself before you speak with such ignorance.

But, ignorance and arrogance are what you do best.
So, I shouldn't be surprised.

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I have not read all the post.

Sterling is an ass.

As anyone though brought up the whole issue of privacy and how exactly this recording was obtained and made public.

Not defending the guy at all but seems like the guy's privacy was kind of violated.
 
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I have no figures on the sets of eyeballs that watch the NFL vs. the NBA outside of this country. What I do know is that the NFL produces about twice as much revenue as the NBA. As I said before, if YOU prefer the NBA over the NFL that's one thing, but it's a minority opinion and to suggest anything else is crazy. I don't care if people are watching the NBA in China, it isn't generating the revenue that the NFL is AND in this country the popularity is not even up for discussion.

You can get on the NFL for branding and caring more about the shield than anything else, lord knows I do from time to time. But the product on the field is still great and whatever they're doing is working. The NFL is the most popular league in America by a landslide.
 

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I have read all the post.

Sterling is an ass.

As anyone though brought up the whole issue of privacy and how exactly this recording was obtained and made public.

Not defending the guy at all but seems like the guy's privacy was kind of violated.

I thought you said you read all the posts. :joke:

The legal experts can chime in here, but doesn't It require both parties agreeing for a conversation to be recorded?

Depends on the state.

The article explains that, but yes, California law says it is illegal to record private conversations without one's consent.

That's why something may never come of this. Before the NBA does anything, they have to give Sterling his process. They have to make sure the tape is legit. And to do that, they are going to want the original. TMZ may not be willing to hand it over (assuming they have the original), b/c the person that gave it to them (likely his g/f) probably had an agreement stating TMZ could not hand it over to anyone.
 

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Something that surprises me is the fact that a lot of people contend that racism is still very alive and kicking. Then when a racist comment comes out people are appauld that someone could say something that outlandish.

Racism is very a live and well but it flows through all races. It's sad, very sad, but its the world we live in and will continue to live in until we all die.

I wish we could stop it but some people will never change their ways especially if they are on top of the social ladder.
 

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One of his quotes that baffles me is..."You think I'm a racist, don't you?"

Well...what the hell should we think? So this guy is so whacked out he thinks he's, what? Normal? Oy.
 

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Warriors 118 Clippers 97. Pro Players often "fire" coaches by quitting on them. Will this be the first time players "fire" an owner by quitting on him? If I am one of this moron's heirs I would be very unhappy. If this idiot don't unload this team quick - value of franchise will drop like stock market crash of 1929.
 

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You are an arrogant poster and frankly, annoying.

If you are unfamiliar with the global popularity of the nba, then perhaps you should educate yourself before you speak with such ignorance.

But, ignorance and arrogance are what you do best.
So, I shouldn't be surprised.

Yeaaaaa I'm with Wooly on this one. You are out of your mind if you really believe that.
 

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I'm really surprised how hard ESPN has been on this guy. It's not like his fake girlfriend died or anything.
 
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You are an arrogant poster and frankly, annoying.

If you are unfamiliar with the global popularity of the nba, then perhaps you should educate yourself before you speak with such ignorance.

But, ignorance and arrogance are what you do best.
So, I shouldn't be surprised.


The Heat/Spurs Game 7 finale came in at 31. The only other non-NFL game with better ratings was the ND/Alabama game. The regular season NFL games destroy all other sports regarding tv ratings.

  1. The Top Events By Sport

    Sport Date Event Net Rating Viewers
    NFL Sun., 2/3/13 Ravens/49ers CBS
    46.4
    108.69M

    CFB Mon., 1/7/13 Alabama/Notre Dame ESPN
    15.1
    26.38M
    NBA Thu., 6/20/13 Spurs/Heat Gm. 7 ABC
    15.3
    26.32M
    CBB Mon., 4/8/13 Louisville/Michigan CBS
    14.0
    23.43M
    MLB Wed., 10/30/13 Cardinals/Red Sox Gm. 6 FOX
    11.3
    19.18M
    NSCS Sun., 2/24/13 Daytona 500 FOX
    9.9
    16.65M
    Horse Sat., 5/4/13 Kentucky Derby NBC
    9.7
    16.20M
    Golf Sun., 4/14/13 The Masters, Final Round CBS
    9.4
    14.70M
    NHL Mon., 6/24/13 Blackhawks/Bruins Gm. 6 NBC
    4.7
    8.16M
    Soccer Tue., 3/26/13 United States/Mexico ESPN, UNI
    1.4
    6.96M
    2.0
    Tennis (W) Sun., 9/8/12 U.S. Open Final (Serena/Azarenka) CBS
    4.0
    6.17M
    IndyCar Sun., 5/27/12 Indianapolis 500 ABC
    3.7
    5.70M
    MMA Sat., 1/28/12 UFC on FOX 2 FOX
    2.4
    4.22M
    Tennis (M) Mon., 9/9/12 U.S. Open Final (Nadal/Djokovic) CBS
    2.4
    3.43M
    NNS Sat., 2/25/12 Drive4COPD 300 (Daytona) ESPN
    2.2
    3.36M
    WCBB Tue., 4/3/12 UConn/Louisville ESPN
    2.0
    3.21M
    WNBA Sat., 7/27/13 WNBA All-Star Game ESPN
    0.6
    791K
    Ratings info from numerous sources, including: Nielsen, Sports Business Daily, ESPN, MLBPR, The Futon Critic, Son of the Bronx, TV By the Numbers; Sunday’s Packers/Bears viewership from TV By the Numbers.
SportsMediaWatch.com has compiled a list of the 50 most watched sporting events in 2013 and 46 (92%) of the events are NFL games including a whopping 35 regular season games.

Read more: The NFL Still Destroys The Other Sports In The Battle For TV Ratings - Business Insider

Of course, the Super Bowl between the Ravens and the 49ers came out on top with 108.7 million viewers. But even the AFC Championship game (47.1 million) nearly doubled the number of viewers of the highest-rated, non-NFL event, the BCS Championship game between Alabama and Notre Dame (no. 27; 26.4 million).

Read more: The NFL Still Destroys The Other Sports In The Battle For TV Ratings - Business Insider
\Sports Media Watch – 2013 Ratings Wrap: NFL Dominates List of Most-Watched Sporting Events

Sorry, dude..... as far as sports in the US, there is nothing even close to the NFL. The NBA is a much smaller market regarding ratings.

Regarding Revenue (from the Business Insider):
SPORTS CHART OF THE DAY: NFL Revenue Still Dwarfs Other Major Sports - Business Insider

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Globally as well, basketball is low on the totem pole.
 
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While I agree with your premise, Cack... those graphs don't illustrate viewership (ie how many people watch the sport).

They completely dismissed Cricket. Which is widely considered the second most popular world-wide sport (mostly because of it's wildly popular status in India).
Top 10 Most Popular Sports in The World sporteology

This year's Cricket World Cup had 1.5 BILLION viewers. For reference, the Super Bowl had 112 Million viewers.

Either way, your point is solid. Just wanted to add that.
 
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Cackalacky

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You are right woolybug25, I totally whiffed on cricket. I intended to look at just national viewership as far as ratings go. Globally, there may be a half a billion Chinese watching basketball but it does not necessarily translate into revenue. Revenue wise IDK what cricket pulls in but you are right, it is a much more popular sport globally than even the NFL.
 

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While I agree with your premise, Cack... those graphs don't illustrate viewership (ie how many people watch the sport).

They completely dismissed Cricket. Which is widely considered the second most popular world-wide sport (mostly because of it's wildly popular status in India).
Top 10 Most Popular Sports in The World sporteology

This year's Cricket World Cup had 1.5 BILLION viewers. For reference, the Super Bowl had 112 Million viewers.

Either way, your point is solid. Just wanted to add that.

You realize this link you posted has basketball third on the list, right?

If FightingIrishLover's argument is that the NBA is more popular than the NFL, he's probably wrong. But if it's that basketball is more popular than American football, he's right.
 
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You realize this link you posted has basketball third on the list, right?

If FightingIrishLover's argument is that the NBA is more popular than the NFL, he's probably wrong. But if it's that basketball is more popular than American football, he's right.

For me its a two-headed ax. If you want to talk veiwership.... then maybe yes globally, basketball has many more viewers. Soccer, then cricket, then basketball... that's plausible. Revenue wise, globally, its soccer far and away, then American football, baseball, etc. Basketball is somewhere far down and cricket does not generate even a billion dollars annually.

Here in the United states, viewership and revenue are completely owned by the NFL. No question. So I guess if one wants to go tit for tat, choose a path......

Consumeronomics: What's the world's most valuable Sport - It's definitely not cricket, atleast not yet
 
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You realize this link you posted has basketball third on the list, right?

If FightingIrishLover's argument is that the NBA is more popular than the NFL, he's probably wrong. But if it's that basketball is more popular than American football, he's right.

I do. If his point was that more people watch the NBA worldwide than the NFL, then he is correct. But that is not how I took his comment:

NBA > NFL

David Stern saved the nba and now has it set up to be one the most followed sports leagues in the world, matching soccer.

NFL has become a bunch of pansies since Goodell. NFL is all about branding.

I took his comment of NBA>NFL as saying "the NBA is better than the NFL" because of his clarification in the last sentence. The bolded sentence was his only comment regarding viewership, which he is completely incorrect about.
 
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