Game of Thrones - Season Four

[gkIrish]

NSFW?

Bewbs are censored. Don't think there is any strong language. I'd probably wait until you get home though.

 

[wizards8507]

Yeah unfortunately they have to do things differently in the show sometimes.

I don't mind some of the changes, but others have influenced my enjoyment of the books. I might be reading the book thinking, "hm... I wonder if character XYZ is going to be important." If they completely exclude that character from the TV show, I pretty much now he or she won't be. My biggest peeves are Gendry / Edric Storm and Strong Belwas.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Emcee77]

It's just different than the original scene from the book. That scene had an almost horror feel, and Arya was emotionally destroyed and manic, not like how she was in the show. She was having the light-hearted conversation with the Hound before the fight. I didn't really like how they used that scene, but I'm sure they will make up for it at the end of the season.

That's really interesting. Honestly, I'm not sure I liked how the scene played out in the books. Arya's emotional/psychological state always felt a bit wrong to me in comparison with her actions ... she has to be either emotionally destroyed, as you say, or a cold-blooded instrument of vengeance, but to be both felt wrong. I won't say more to avoid spoilers in this thread, but I felt like the way they played the scene in the show aligned better with her actions.

 

[greyhammer90]

My biggest change between the show and the book is what they've done with Shae. They've changed her from a realist that knows her place in the world to some jealous school girl.

It really cheapens her character that I thought was brilliantly done in the books but doesn't and won't have nearly the same effect in the show.

 

[Emcee77]

My biggest change between the show and the book is what they've done with Shae. They've changed her from a realist that knows her place in the world to some jealous school girl.

It really cheapens her character that I thought was brilliantly done in the books but doesn't and won't have nearly the same effect in the show.

Another great point. Sometimes I think the show producers make character changes because they feel like they just don't have the screen time be able to fully develop the character the way Martin does.

For instance, making Robb's queen the bloody surgeon wench from the Free Cities, rather than Jeyne Westerling, the young lady from the Lannister-affiliated family with no strategic importance, was not only more efficient storytelling but it avoids having to portray Robb as a young boy not ready for command, a theme the book plays with but the show doesn't. That immature action by Robb could be made to make sense in the books but not the show. But the action of marrying a strong, admirable, educated woman for love was impulsive, yes, but not so inexplicably immature and foolish, imo.

Again, don't want to say too much in this thread, but we may see down the road that Shae's actions make more sense, and don't alienate and confuse viewers, if she's characterized as a jealous school girl rather than an intelligent realist.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Again, don't want to say too much in this thread, but we may see down the road that Shae's actions make more sense, and don't alienate and confuse viewers, if she's characterized as a jealous school girl rather than an intelligent realist.

Was thinking the same thing. They're probably doing it to heighten the emotional impact of Tyrion's last scene from ASoS.

 

[IrishLion]

My biggest change between the show and the book is what they've done with Shae. They've changed her from a realist that knows her place in the world to some jealous school girl.

It really cheapens her character that I thought was brilliantly done in the books but doesn't and won't have nearly the same effect in the show.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with this. She definitely is more annoying. Shae in the books started off knowing what she was getting into... but she progressively got more impatient and more annoying to Tyrion about things. In the show, they skipped the first step mostly, but she's ended up at the same place.

I think it makes her seem like more of a sympathetic character in the show, though, which is probably by design. Rather than making her the initially-self-aware female, they've made her appear much more dependent upon Tyrion from the get-go in the show. While it's more annoying, it makes her more acceptable as the "helpless, in-love female" to the large audiences that didn't read the books.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't know if I necessarily agree with this. She definitely is more annoying. Shae in the books started off knowing what she was getting into... but she progressively got more impatient and more annoying to Tyrion about things. In the show, they skipped the first step mostly, but she's ended up at the same place.

I think it makes her seem like more of a sympathetic character in the show, though, which is probably by design. Rather than making her the initially-self-aware female, they've made her appear much more dependent upon Tyrion from the get-go in the show. While it's more annoying, it makes her more acceptable as the "helpless, in-love female" to the large audiences that didn't read the books.

She always pushed Tyrions buttons because she knew what she could get away with, but she didn't act like a brat to him about his marriage and understood that it was out of his control and that she was just a whore at the end of the day. In the show, she's stupid at best


Major Spoilers ahoy. Stop reading this post if you haven't read the books.

The worst part about this is that they are making the eventual betrayal 1) obvious to anyone with a brain, 2) no longer morally foggy. In the book there was a fantastic question left to reader for a time as to whether Shae was truly jealous, or was being forced to lie by Tyrion's enemies, or really did hate him all along. In the show, her motivation is so obvious it removes the brilliance (and IMO, the point) of her plot line. It's a clear case of "dumbing down" the story for TV viewers, which is a shame.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm gonna put my thoughts in the non-spoiler thread so I can speak freely lol

 

[Goldedommer44]

best show on TV right now and is up their with BB for all time best show. I have not read the books and went to the Fire and Ice thread and it was VERY hard for me to keep up as to who they where talking about.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Who sang it better? RT for goats, Fav for kitten

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[ACamp1900]

goats are funnier, but cat actually does the song better.

 

[illmatic630]

That episode was something. Did Tyrion really do it? The part with the kings "fool" kind of makes me think so.


please don't respond with book stuff, just episode stuff.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Remind me to never attend a wedding in Westeros.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

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[illmatic630]

Tyrion's quote from last season seems prophetic now doesn't it.

Tyrion Lannister: Oh, "monster". Perhaps you should speak to me more softly then. Monsters are dangerous and, just now, kings are dying like flies.

 

[NDinMich]

That episode was something. Did Tyrion really do it? The part with the kings "fool" kind of makes me think so.


please don't respond with book stuff, just episode stuff.

The cup was in front of Olena Tyrell though.

 

[illmatic630]

The cup was in front of Olena Tyrell though.

I must have missed that part. Going to re-watch that entire scene to see what I missed. Maybe it was a ploy to have Margaery serve by herself?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

The wedding wasn't consummated so she's no longer a queen.

 

[illmatic630]

Just noticed the subtle look Tyrion gave Olena before he gave Joffrey the cup.


also, it could have been the cake. He was the only one that ate it.

 

[blueNDgold44]

Just noticed the subtle look Tyrion gave Olena before he gave Joffrey the cup.


also, it could have been the cake. He was the only one that ate it.

They did show a close up of the cake after Joffrey hit it with his sword.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

That episode was something. Did Tyrion really do it? The part with the kings "fool" kind of makes me think so.


please don't respond with book stuff, just episode stuff.

Tyrion never had any interaction with the fool, as far as I recall. However, the fool did give Sansa a necklace right after the scene in which Lady Olenna was talking about necklaces and had decided none were yet satisfactory

 

[GATTACA!]

They did show a close up of the cake after Joffrey hit it with his sword.

That was just to show the dead dove inside.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

If Tyrion did it knowingly, it was definitely a pretty bold plan -- he either had to have anticipated that Jeoffrey was going to make him pour him a re-fill, or had some other way of getting Jeoffrey to drink from that cup.

I haven't read the books, but just based on that episode I'd say it's the pie, poisoned by that freaky prince in town who's out for Lannister blood.

It seemed to be ritualistic that the King cuts it and takes the first bite. And with the wine you'd either have to slip something in his cup while he and everyone else isn't watching (pretty risky) or poison the entire decanter, in which case you're risking poisoning a lot more people (notice Jeoffrey seemed to be the only one poisoned).

 

[irishfan]

Haven't read the books, but just based on the show's past, you would think it would be too simple for it to be Tyrion or the new Queen (spacing on her name) with the pie. I mean it was clearly the wine or the pie, I just dont think that either of the two were responsible.

 

[GATTACA!]

If Tyrion did it knowingly, it was definitely a pretty bold plan -- he either had to have anticipated that Jeoffrey was going to make him pour him a re-fill, or had some other way of getting Jeoffrey to drink from that cup.

I haven't read the books, but just based on that episode I'd say it's the pie, poisoned by that freaky prince in town who's out for Lannister blood.

It seemed to be ritualistic that the King cuts it and takes the first bite. And with the wine you'd either have to slip something in his cup while he and everyone else isn't watching (pretty risky) or poison the entire decanter, in which case you're risking poisoning a lot more people (notice Jeoffrey seemed to be the only one poisoned).

Poisoning the whole pie would kill way more people than poisoning one goblet of wine.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Poisoning the whole pie would kill way more people than poisoning one goblet of wine.

True, unless it kills the first eater quickly and everyone just forgets about the pie. With the wine, you never know who the first drinker will be.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

i would wager that the prince of dorne had something to do with it. they setup his appearance with the implication that he'd fight somebody, but that never happened. plus, as mentioned before, tyrion's involvement would be too obvious. he wouldn't be dumb enough to kill joffrey in a way that would directly implicate himself.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

also, if nobody else ate the pie, then whoever eats the leftovers (hounds or poor people) will result in a flurry of deaths that will tend to exonerate tyrion.