'15 TX WR Jalen Guyton (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

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You are kidding me!


Hey, what is this thing you have with stadiums?

haha i do get a kick outta seeing ballparks and football stadiums i have to say. I have photos from vacations and trips standing outside a good few, must dig them up sometime for a fascinating slideshow haha
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WeAreND&src=hash">#WeAreND</a></p>— Brian Kelly (@CoachBrianKelly) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly/statuses/450762168657399808">March 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Sounds like he talked to Kelly.

Also:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>New <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> commits - TX S Prentice McKinney (<a href="https://twitter.com/LilP_JustCool">@LilP_JustCool</a>) & TX WR Jalen Guyton (<a href="https://twitter.com/_Guyton_">@_Guyton_</a>) - are scheduled to join the show.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/450761440916668416">March 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Tillery will likely be on after them too.
 

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I am trying to figure out Guyton. Nothing against him but I really don't understand the McKnight comparisons.

Rhema was a legit 6'3 and a top 50 player in the country. Let alone top 50 at his own position coming out of high school. Plus Rhema was one of the best WR in recent memory at ND.

I don't see how you can make comparisons when I swear the only route he ran in his high school tape was a go route that was dropped in by one of the top QB's in the country. especially when someone was pointing out his route running ability. Because I didn't see it, I know the staff has probably watched a whole bunch more on him then just his youtube video. I just would like to see more out of him but I do trust the staff and these evals. Welcome to the ND family Jalen this was by no means a diss on him and his football abilities.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"<a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WeAreND&src=hash">#WeAreND</a>"</p>— . (@_Guyton_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Guyton_/statuses/450768452794318848">March 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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He ran like 3 routes in his entire highlight video so im not sure how anyone can judge his route running. He is above average getting getting off the line, but you cant really tell much about his breaks. He is consistently behind the defense so he passes step 1.

I don't see how you can make comparisons when I swear the only route he ran in his high school tape was a go route that was dropped in by one of the top QB's in the country. especially when someone was pointing out his route running ability. Because I didn't see it, I know the staff has probably watched a whole bunch more on him then just his youtube video. I just would like to see more out of him but I do trust the staff and these evals. Welcome to the ND family Jalen this was by no means a diss on him and his football abilities.

He ran 11 different routes in his 4:29 highlight video. Yep, you guys made me go watch the whole thing and count. The go-route was run most frequently, but if you actually watch the film he runs 4 or 5 different variations of it (not included in my count of 11). That's indicative of his above average route-running ability.

After watching his highlight again, this time the whole thing, I feel more confident than yesterday pointing out his route-running ability. It's definitely one of his strengths.
 

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He ran 11 different routes in his 4:29 highlight video. Yep, you guys made me go watch the whole thing and count. The go-route was run most frequently, but if you actually watch the film he runs 4 or 5 different variations of it (not included in my count of 11). That's indicative of his above average route-running ability.

After watching his highlight again, this time the whole thing, I feel more confident than yesterday pointing out his route-running ability. It's definitely one of his strengths.


Maybe I need to re-watch it but I swear I saw a go route with a couple dig's here and there.

Well I watched the one on his rivals profile so maybe that's why we are seeing different things. I will watch the one on his front page now.
 

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Sorry Jalen I take back what I said about you lol. He did run some nice routes in his youtube video. I really like when he ran that slip screen and ended up taking it to house. Also his corner routes were sharp and crisp.


Everyone ignore what I said like you usually do.
 
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You see this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>S/O to my main <a href="https://twitter.com/_Guyton_">@_Guyton_</a> on committing to Notre Dame! <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TraditionNeverGraduates&src=hash">#TraditionNeverGraduates</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IRISH&src=hash">#IRISH</a></p>— Ryan Newsome (@NewBoi17) <a href="https://twitter.com/NewBoi17/statuses/450356423470231552">March 30, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Newsome's running spring track for Aledo(100m, 200m, relays). Two of the best high school programs in the country - Aledo and Allen.
 
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He ran 11 different routes in his 4:29 highlight video. Yep, you guys made me go watch the whole thing and count. The go-route was run most frequently, but if you actually watch the film he runs 4 or 5 different variations of it (not included in my count of 11). That's indicative of his above average route-running ability.

After watching his highlight again, this time the whole thing, I feel more confident than yesterday pointing out his route-running ability. It's definitely one of his strengths.

I am no film guy but I agree. That was one thing that did stand out to me.

That and the fact that I obviously have an eye for QB talent.
 
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Here are 5 non-go routes where it appears to me he is reading the defender and getting open.
 

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I am no film guy but I agree. That was one thing that did stand out to me.

That and the fact that I obviously have an eye for QB talent.

His route running should improve greatly in college. That's always an issue with receivers coming in - even though he still looks adequate in the video. A little coaching and discipline goes a long way in this area.

Congrats on another Texas commit. Irish making some good inroads.
 

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it is really hard to judge if a kid has the nuances of route running down from sideline film (poor quality too) from on top of the grand stands.
 
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His youtube film is very good quality. The gifs ( less quality of course) I posted still show that he turns his defender, makes good cuts, and separates.
 
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His route running should improve greatly in college. That's always an issue with receivers coming in - even though he still looks adequate in the video. A little coaching and discipline goes a long way in this area.

Congrats on another Texas commit. Irish making some good inroads.

THX, Tommy!

Kids with that talent don't need to develop it when facing kids with less talent do they? Changes dramatically at the next level.
 

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His Power Hour interview was probably the best of anyone. The most interesting thing he said was about what he liked about ND from a football standpoint relative to the other schools recruiting him (A&M, Ohio State, Baylor, Oklahoma, etc.). He said he liked Denbrock and how he coached WRs a lot, and it was a big factor. He said specifically that relative to practices he watched at Ohio State and A&M that it was way better, and then he basically said that ND's WRs looked awesome relative to other WR corps he got to see. He specifically mentioned Brown and Fuller and the way he was talking seemed to suggest something like "man... those guys... wow..."

So either our DBs totally suck, or our WRs are going to be boss this year. All media reports and first hand whispers seem to suggest we're maybe 6 deep (with Daniels) of truly talented players.
 

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His Power Hour interview was probably the best of anyone. The most interesting thing he said was about what he liked about ND from a football standpoint relative to the other schools recruiting him (A&M, Ohio State, Baylor, Oklahoma, etc.). He said he liked Denbrock and how he coached WRs a lot, and it was a big factor. He said specifically that relative to practices he watched at Ohio State and A&M that it was way better, and then he basically said that ND's WRs looked awesome relative to other WR corps he got to see. He specifically mentioned Brown and Fuller and the way he was talking seemed to suggest something like "man... those guys... wow..."

So either our DBs totally suck, or our WRs are going to be boss this year. All media reports and first hand whispers seem to suggest we're maybe 6 deep (with Daniels) of truly talented players.

Ohh so youre saying theres some buzz buzz about the wide receiver position?
 

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I'm honestly surprised that no one has made the comparison to T.J.
That's what I see
 

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Here are 5 non-go routes where it appears to me he is reading the defender and getting open.


I think you may be reading too much into defenders outclassed by a WR AND QB AND their teammates who all seem to execute well.

Clip 1 is a set play. Guyton takes a false step to the outside then loops back inside under the other WR who immediately scraps off Guyton's defender when he tries to run parallel with Guyton to the inside. Meanwhile the entire right side of the OLine played Toreador with the left side of the DLINE, releasing immediately and running downfield as blockers. The center shoots out and gets just enough of the sole LB to make the play work. The OLine wasn't reading Guyton's false step, they were committed to this play prior to the snap. Going long down the sideline wasn't an option, IF Guyton did that there would be 3 linemen illegally downfield.

Clip 2 is also a set play. There's a safety playing center field who back pedals on the snap OUT OF SIGHT. The outside WR runs a short curl. Guyton shifts his weight to the inside (field) foot getting the CB to turn his hips, on the hip turn Guyton cuts away for the center fielder to the outside where the ball is already headed. Smoth move by Guyton but the play was going outside.

Clip 3 also strikes me as a set play. Guyton runs at his CB who drops straight back, when he does Guyton cuts inside and runs parallel to the goal line. The S or OLB makes the play when SKIPS 3 times (watch his feet) backwards and to his left arriving very late thus taking himself out of the play. Had that defender just backpedaled on a straight line he would have been in the passing lane and the QB would have looked at another receiver.

Clip 4 also strikes me as a set play. The WR next to him runs a curl keeping a defender short while Guyton's man backpedals and takes away the sideline. He gives Guyton the inside and (Guyton takes it as he has no where else to go) but the CB gets no Safety help until the play is over. The QB ran PA while the two receivers on his left crossed their patterns. The Slot goes long while the outside WR crosses underneath to the inside. The Safety bites on the Slot going long leaving Guyton the middle of the field. It strikes me as a well diagrammed play where the QB has either one on one coverage on the Slot going long or Guyton depending on where the Safety commits. BTW, after the PA the QB looks one way, then the other, selling the play.

Clip 5 strikes me a set OUT. On the snap the CB IMMEDIATLY turns 180 degrees and runs downfield with his BACK to Guyton. Guyton's take 5 steps and cuts outside catching the ball 15 yds downfield. Once again in single coverage with no other defender remotely close. The other WRs run varying routes downfield then all cut inside. It appears two of them were open as well. Guyton was open if he hadn't run the out route as the CB committed the 180 turn on the snap. The QB could have hit him for more yards had Guyton continued on a straight line. At least until Guyton ran up up the CB's back.


I like Guyton but don't see Quinn and Shark or Rees and Floyd reading the defenders and changing the route, in or out, short or long, accordingly.
I see a TEAM executing, smart offensive plays, well.
 
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I think you may be reading too much into defenders outclassed by a WR AND QB AND their teammates who all seem to execute well.

Clip 1 is a set play. Guyton takes a false step to the outside then loops back inside under the other WR who immediately scraps off Guyton's defender when he tries to run parallel with Guyton to the inside. Meanwhile the entire right side of the OLine played Toreador with the left side of the DLINE, releasing immediately and running downfield as blockers. The center shoots out and gets just enough of the sole LB to make the play work. The OLine wasn't reading Guyton's false step, they were committed to this play prior to the snap. Going long down the sideline wasn't an option, IF Guyton did that there would be 3 linemen illegally downfield.

Clip 2 is also a set play. There's a safety playing center field who back pedals on the snap OUT OF SIGHT. The outside WR runs a short curl. Guyton shifts his weight to the inside (field) foot getting the CB to turn his hips, on the hip turn Guyton cuts away for the center fielder to the outside where the ball is already headed. Smoth move by Guyton but the play was going outside.

Clip 3 also strikes me as a set play. Guyton runs at his CB who drops straight back, when he does Guyton cuts inside and runs parallel to the goal line. The S or OLB makes the play when SKIPS 3 times (watch his feet) backwards and to his left arriving very late thus taking himself out of the play. Had that defender just backpedaled on a straight line he would have been in the passing lane and the QB would have looked at another receiver.

Clip 4 also strikes me as a set play. The WR next to him runs a curl keeping a defender short while Guyton's man backpedals and takes away the sideline. He gives Guyton the inside and (Guyton takes it as he has no where else to go) but the CB gets no Safety help until the play is over. The QB ran PA while the two receivers on his left crossed their patterns. The Slot goes long while the outside WR crosses underneath to the inside. The Safety bites on the Slot going long leaving Guyton the middle of the field. It strikes me as a well diagrammed play where the QB has either one on one coverage on the Slot going long or Guyton depending on where the Safety commits. BTW, after the PA the QB looks one way, then the other, selling the play.

Clip 5 strikes me a set OUT. On the snap the CB IMMEDIATLY turns 180 degrees and runs downfield with his BACK to Guyton. Guyton's take 5 steps and cuts outside catching the ball 15 yds downfield. Once again in single coverage with no other defender remotely close. The other WRs run varying routes downfield then all cut inside. It appears two of them were open as well. Guyton was open if he hadn't run the out route as the CB committed the 180 turn on the snap. The QB could have hit him for more yards had Guyton continued on a straight line. At least until Guyton ran up up the CB's back.


I like Guyton but don't see Quinn and Shark or Rees and Floyd reading the defenders and changing the route, in or out, short or long, accordingly.
I see a TEAM executing, smart offensive plays, well.

Very good analysis by you, and after going back and seeing what I wrote it was a very poor choice of words. The main point of those clips that I pulled was to show that within the first 2 minutes of his reel he had 5 different routes he ran and not just go routes (as was previously stated by others). Not just that he ran 5 different routes but he ran them well from what I could see and that his QB was throwing good balls. I see my follow up posts missed the mark with what I wanted to say.
 

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He reminds me of Gio Bernard. Starter at a national powerhouse that people liked, but didn't love.

There is a reason this kid is eating up the best competition in Texas...
 

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A little off topic, but I didn't see a separate thread for Greg. Wonder if having Jalen on the team would help us with this guy:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Allen (Texas) OT Greg Little <a href="https://twitter.com/TheGreglittle74">@TheGreglittle74</a> is the No. 1 prospect in the 2016 class for <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports">@247Sports</a> <a href="http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9">http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9</a></p>— Kipp Adams (@KippLAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/KippLAdams/statuses/456430225379713025">April 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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good looking out

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A little off topic, but I didn't see a separate thread for Greg. Wonder if having Jalen on the team would help us with this guy:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Allen (Texas) OT Greg Little <a href="https://twitter.com/TheGreglittle74">@TheGreglittle74</a> is the No. 1 prospect in the 2016 class for <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports">@247Sports</a> <a href="http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9">http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9</a></p>— Kipp Adams (@KippLAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/KippLAdams/statuses/456430225379713025">April 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>OT Gregory Little, the nation's top player in 2016, wants an offer from <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a>. <a href="http://t.co/UFwsAvsF9D">http://t.co/UFwsAvsF9D</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews">@BGInews</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/statuses/456473873542692865">April 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Size-Strength-Speed
Really well proportioned, sturdy athlete with good height and layered bulk. Has some functional strength to his build. Can be physical when he needs to be. Not overly imposing, but carries his weight well. He is more explosive than he is top end fast. However, he will surprise you with his ability to get over the top of coverage.
Separation Skills
He may do this better than anything else in his arsenal. He has a great feel for getting on the toes of the defender and avoiding contact at the top of the stem to burst out of cuts and gain a step. He is very well-versed at stemming DBs, manipulating coverage and using alignment against the defender. He can stutter, stall and double move with good body control to freeze defenders and then get back up to full speed quickly. He is very coordinated in his steps and spacing both on the outside and out of the slot with good surge off the line.
Ball Skills
Is a sound and strong pass catcher. Very confident. Competes for balls in traffic and will come inside and take a hit to secure catch. Relaxed and natural, catches away from his frame, snatches ball and tracks well with excellent concentration. May not be a true jump ball guy, but he will elevate and extend above his head to secure the football. Is very reliable in traffic and over the middle.
Big Play Ability
He is sneaky. There are not many wow moments with him, but he just flat out gets open. He has a good feel for the game and understanding of coverage and how to manipulate it. Makes more plays downfield in the vertical passing game than you might think. He is explosive enough to get open and make people miss, but may not be a true burner that will consistently win footraces in the open field. This is not to say he isn't capable. At the next level his greatest value may be in the slot.
Bottom Line
Guyton reminds us of former Auburn WR Emory Blake -- sound, consistent, productive and just a good football player. He plays with confidence and makes a lot of plays. QB's know he'll get the job done when called upon. Can play inside and outside and comes from a program with a high expectation level to perform.
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A little off topic, but I didn't see a separate thread for Greg. Wonder if having Jalen on the team would help us with this guy:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Allen (Texas) OT Greg Little <a href="https://twitter.com/TheGreglittle74">@TheGreglittle74</a> is the No. 1 prospect in the 2016 class for <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports">@247Sports</a> <a href="http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9">http://t.co/DprNyxY9I9</a></p>— Kipp Adams (@KippLAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/KippLAdams/statuses/456430225379713025">April 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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STL is slacking on the 2016 Master List...

Size-Strength-Speed
Really well proportioned, sturdy athlete with good height and layered bulk. Has some functional strength to his build. Can be physical when he needs to be. Not overly imposing, but carries his weight well. He is more explosive than he is top end fast. However, he will surprise you with his ability to get over the top of coverage.
Separation Skills
He may do this better than anything else in his arsenal. He has a great feel for getting on the toes of the defender and avoiding contact at the top of the stem to burst out of cuts and gain a step. He is very well-versed at stemming DBs, manipulating coverage and using alignment against the defender. He can stutter, stall and double move with good body control to freeze defenders and then get back up to full speed quickly. He is very coordinated in his steps and spacing both on the outside and out of the slot with good surge off the line.

Ball Skills
Is a sound and strong pass catcher. Very confident. Competes for balls in traffic and will come inside and take a hit to secure catch. Relaxed and natural, catches away from his frame, snatches ball and tracks well with excellent concentration. May not be a true jump ball guy, but he will elevate and extend above his head to secure the football. Is very reliable in traffic and over the middle.
Big Play Ability
He is sneaky. There are not many wow moments with him, but he just flat out gets open. He has a good feel for the game and understanding of coverage and how to manipulate it. Makes more plays downfield in the vertical passing game than you might think. He is explosive enough to get open and make people miss, but may not be a true burner that will consistently win footraces in the open field. This is not to say he isn't capable. At the next level his greatest value may be in the slot.
Bottom Line
Guyton reminds us of former Auburn WR Emory Blake -- sound, consistent, productive and just a good football player. He plays with confidence and makes a lot of plays. QB's know he'll get the job done when called upon. Can play inside and outside and comes from a program with a high expectation level to perform.
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So....they're saying he's an above average route runner....interesting!
 

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Checking IE for the first time since Wednesday. What a nice surprise while sipping coffee on the lanai here in Florida. Welcome to the family JG!!!
 

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How fast is this kid. Kid doesn't look that fast but is always getting open deep.
 
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