Duck Dynasty - Phil Robertson Fiasco

[JughedJones]

Exactly. They sell what we buy, be it Duck Dynasty or Tebow stories.

EXACTLY.

Don't be a rube.

We're supposed to be the smart ones here.

 

[Jason Pham]

What is the writer's history? And what did they write on ND?

He's the guy who penned the "Hater's Guide to Notre Dame" for Deadspin. It's been a while since I've read the thing so I can't remember whether and the extent to which it was vitriolic. He also wrote a "Hater's Guide on College Basketball" (against can't remember the exact title) which suggested that if "your mother were held down by two Notre Dame football players and stabbed in the throat," Notre Dame would do nothing about it.

 

[wizards8507]

Actually it shouldn't matter since Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses, but Leviticus has still let people oppress and hate homosexuals for a long time now. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of saying hating gays in Biblical. What is in Leviticus should not have any effect on what Christians believe and what groups of people they think are living in sin.

1. Who's oppressed? At my place of employment, the homosexual people are in the same jobs as the heterosexual people. When I was at ND, the homosexual and heterosexual people sat in the same classes and took the same exams. Get over your victim mentality.

2. What hate? Phil said homosexuality is wrong, he did NOT say he hates homosexuals. He also said that sleeping around (gay or straight) is wrong, but he didn't say he hates people who sleep around.

I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.

 

[woolybug25]

You got a problem with "redneck?"


I could show you to hundreds of examples of songs, books, comedy shows, etc that think that being a 'redneck' is just fine.

Hey Jughed, I reported you to Pham. No one is interested in your thoughts in this thread. You used "redneck" as an insult and also went after our friend Tommy. So for the third time, can you please direct your attention to other threads that may be more to your liking?

You're not the only one in this thread that has a different opinion of the topics. Those people are all getting along. You are the one causing the problem.

 

[wizards8507]

You got a problem with "redneck?"

I could show you to hundreds of examples of songs, books, comedy shows, etc that think that being a 'redneck' is just fine.

It's not the word you used, it's the way you used it. See Incognito, Richie.

 

[JughedJones]

Hey Jughed, I reported you to Pham. No one is interested in your thoughts in this thread. You used "redneck" as an insult and also went after our friend Tommy. So for the third time, can you please direct your attention to other threads that may be more to your liking?

lulz

you started this dumpster fire.

 

[Woneone]

I can express the belief that my boss is a douche and should get hit by a bus, but I am not being oppressed when they fire me.

His belief has been used to oppress people, and continuing to express a bigoted belief normalizes it and makes it more acceptable every time someone says it.

Can you post a quote to his bigoted belief? I'm just confused as to what you're referencing.

 

[BobD]

After the talk about starting up the IE awards the other day......wooly is trying to get a head start. You sly dog you

I'm off to start a religious thread.



(just kidding)

 

[JughedJones]

I'll be back in a half hour.

I have a Nascar Race to attend.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I will absolutely talk about this.

If you think that the world we live in is too easy on gay people, transgendered people, minorities, or non-believers, you got another thing coming.

When people complain about "P.C." they often have a problem of their own.

See now your putting words into other peoples mouths. Never once did i say anything along those lines. You are obviously one of those self righteous do gooders who talk about equal rights ( which i agree with you on) yet you bash anyone who openly disagrees with you. You are a walking talking contradiciton

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. Who's oppressed? At my place of employment, the homosexual people are in the same jobs as the heterosexual people. When I was at ND, the homosexual and heterosexual people sat in the same classes and took the same exams. Get over your victim mentality.

2. What hate? Phil said homosexuality is wrong, he did NOT say he hates homosexuals. He also said that sleeping around (gay or straight) is wrong, but he didn't say he hates people who sleep around.

I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.

Homosexual kids are still bullied into committing suicide. Homosexual couples still do not have the rights of other couples of consenting adults. They are looked down upon and are not a protected class. Homosexuals are second class citizens in the world. You are ignorant if you don't think homosexuals are oppressed in the USA and in the world.

 

[Woneone]

“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Good lord, what a prick.

 

[woolybug25]

lulz

you started this dumpster fire.

Again... you are the only person causing an issue and incapable of debate without insult.

If it's a dumpster fire, then quit posting here. Pretty simple... especially for a guy as intelligent as you.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Can you post a quote to his bigoted belief? I'm just confused as to what you're referencing.

Homosexuality leads to beastiality and adultery.

 

[pkt77242]

1. Who's oppressed? At my place of employment, the homosexual people are in the same jobs as the heterosexual people. When I was at ND, the homosexual and heterosexual people sat in the same classes and took the same exams. Get over your victim mentality.
2. What hate? Phil said homosexuality is wrong, he did NOT say he hates homosexuals. He also said that sleeping around (gay or straight) is wrong, but he didn't say he hates people who sleep around.

I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.

Um, while I too work for a company that is friendly to homosexuality, you are way off base if you don't think that they suffer discrimination. In 29 states you can still be fired for being gay. Yep 29 states. There are many other ways that they are discriminated against as well. States Where You Can Be Fired For Being Gay - Business Insider

 

[IrishinTN]

 

[IrishLion]

I'll be back in a half hour.

I have a Nascar Race to attend.

Now you're just being a douche.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Good lord, what a prick.

I get your sentiment, but there is a half implication there that homosexuals and terrorists are similarly sinful. A bit hyperbolic, in my opinion.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

You got a problem with "redneck?"


I could show you to hundreds of examples of songs, books, comedy shows, etc that think that being a 'redneck' is just fine.

Seriously? Pop culture now defines if a slang term is "fine?" There are hundreds of songs, books, comedy shows, etc that use the 'n' word. One is obviously less offensive than the other but that doesn't mean it can't be offensive.

I think you have made your opinion well known in this thread. Probably best to just not click into it again.

 

[magogian]

I think this article makes some good points along the lines of some points made by others in this thread:

As you’ve probably heard, Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson has been suspended by A&E over what many are describing as “anti-gay” comments he made to GQ.

So what did he say that was so bad? Here’s an excerpt, via E!:

“‘Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,’ he tells the magazine. Paraphrasing Corinthians, he says, ‘Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.’”

… “It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

… ”We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ‘em, give ‘em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ‘em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Much of the criticism coming from conservatives (regarding A&E’s decision) has focused on the fact that a). Robertson was merely stating an orthodox Christian position, and b). that this is just his opinion — and he’s entitled to it (and besides, why are people so offended these days?).

But I’ll make another observation: This may be an attack on “unsophisticated” country folks as much as it is an attack on orthodox Christianity.

When you consider the more effete, cosmopolitan America that “Pajama Boy” represents, you’ll get a sense for why the Duck Dynasty folks are out of touch with today’s acceptable norms. There is a huge schism between red state America and blue state America, and these two stories seem to symbolize the yawning chasm.

I’ve always felt that this same dichotomy was at least partly to blame for why the mainstream media hated Sarah Palin so much. It wasn’t merely her conservative positions, but the fact that she was from Alaska — and that she never attempted to conform to their manner of speaking, style, or customs. She didn’t culturally evolve. (Kirsten Gillibrand no longer sleeps with two rifles under her bed, but Sarah from Alaska still goes hunting!)

Along those lines, it’s not just what Robertson said, but how he said it. Suppose, for example, he had simply said: “My faith tradition teaches that traditional marriage is the right path.” It’s hard to imagine that would have landed him in any trouble.

I mean, there are certainly alternate ways to discuss a religious objection to homosexuality that don’t involve “vagina” or “anus.” Perhaps he might have gone that route? (As Erick Erickson, who defended Robertson, concedes: “Certainly some things you or I might have phrased differently, but a self-made man at sixty-five should be shown some latitude.”)

To be sure, always having to make one’s case in the most eloquent and precise manner (in order for it to be deemed acceptable by polite society) may be the first step toward one’s position being deemed unacceptable no matter how finely parsed.

But that doesn’t negate the fact that a big reason this happened is that a pretty regular guy — a guy who hates phonies and tells it like it is — is going to be rhetorically unequipped to navigate the PC land mines that 21st century fame demands.

It has as much to do with class and geography and culture and attitude as it does with religion.

Politics and reality TV are increasingly causing these two worlds to clash. Until we find a way to domesticate these guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks, I suspect this will be a recurring story.

There really are two Americas.

 

[woolybug25]

Homosexuality leads to beastiality and adultery.

That's not what he said at all. He asked what he thought was sinful, so he listed them.

It was a list, seperate items on a list. Here's the quote after the writer asked, "what do you consider sinful?".

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Saying that he thinks they lead to another is putting words in his mouth that he didn't say.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That's not what he said at all. He asked what he thought was sinful, so he listed them.

It was a list, seperate items on a list. Here's the quote after the writer asked, "what do you consider sinful?".



Saying that he thinks they lead to another is putting words in his mouth that he didn't say.

So it starts with homosexual behavior and then it morphs out from there. What does that mean?

 

[IrishLion]

I don't care if you're gay, straight, bisexual or completely abstinent. I care if you're a good human being. After that, to each their own.

But I also don't care if someone expresses an opinion that is different than mine. I believe what I believe. If you agree, awesome. If you don't, that's your right.

 

[magogian]

Um, while I too work for a company that is friendly to homosexuality, you are way off base if you don't think that they suffer discrimination. In 29 states you can still be fired for being gay. Yep 29 states. There are many other ways that they are discriminated against as well. States Where You Can Be Fired For Being Gay - Business Insider

This is hilarious. Those 29 states just don't have laws that explicitly bar discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Guess what? You can be fired for having blonde hair in probably any state! Oh the humanity!

 

[wizards8507]

Homosexual kids are still bullied into committing suicide.

So are fat kids, scrawny kids, black kids, white kids, rich kids, poor kids, smart kids, dumb kids.

Homosexual couples still do not have the rights of other couples of consenting adults.

A homosexual couple can rent a hall, hire an officiant, and say some vows just the same as a heterosexual couple can. They can also sign whatever legal documents they'd like to let their partner/spouse made their medical decisions in case of emergency. Everything else (tax rates, etc.), I think the government needs to butt the hell out of, for gay AND straight couples.

They are looked down upon and are not a protected class. Homosexuals are second class citizens in the world.

I don't beleive in protecting "classes" of people because I don't view the world that way. I believe in protecting individuals.

You are ignorant if you don't think homosexuals are oppressed in the USA and in the world.

I'm not sure you know what oppression means. As to the rest of the world, the true oppresion (of both homosexuals and women) seems to come from fundamental Islamists, not so much Christians.

 

[BobD]

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[Cackalacky]

1. I love the show because I know those people. I could identify with everyone of the cast.
2. His opinion is his opinion and he is free to express it.
3. A&E is equally able to express their opinion by taking the show off the air. Duck Dynasty can go to RFD TV or some other channel where they will not get blowback by basically equating homosexuality is the beginning of other deviant behaviors.
4. The fact he believes and stated that black people were happier under Jim Crow just shows how ignorant that opinion is. Even a cursory knowledge of the laws shows that the laws were meant to keep black people in a lower class after becoming free by white Southern Democrats. If you think that perspective has changed since even 1965, you are kidding yourself. Is it better? Yes. Is it still out there? Yes. How do I know, because I get to hear about it all the time from people who still think like he does.
5. People blaming the media need to just stop it. If you are getting bent out of shape over the reporting, what else do you expect? There has not been a real piece of journalism in many many years. Everything now is sensationalistic crap to evoke emotions or take sides.
6. I don't blame him for his opinion. I don't blame A&E for looking out for their brand. I don't blame GQ for their crappy interviews. This is just par for the course.

 

[FLDomer]

I'll be back in a half hour.

I have a Nascar Race to attend.

I live in NASCAR (All caps you ignorant ass, National Association for Stock Car Racing) country and these are some great people, from the high Level Execs, I have had the pleasure in having business dealings with, to the individual fan. Like every sport or organization there are some bad apples but your self rightous arrogant comments are un-called for.
See, you sound like a shithead, in my opion but I doubt everyone you work with, live around or are at your class level a shitheads too.
Stop trying to sound progressive by making ignorant blanket statements.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I don't care if you're gay, straight, bisexual or completely abstinent. I care if you're a good human being. After that, to each their own.

But I also don't care if someone expresses an opinion that is different than mine. I believe what I believe. If you agree, awesome. If you don't, that's your right.

And that's the thread folks. I could not agree with this post anymore. I gladly will discuss opinions but to openly bash someone for their beliefs is a ridiculous idea.