'14 FL WR Isaiah McKenzie ( Georgia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[IRISHMAN]

after reading all this is it safe to say that McKenzie is not coming to ND?

 

[IrishLax]

after reading all this is it safe to say that McKenzie is not coming to ND?

No. Same status quo as before. Odds are against him qualifying, but there is a chance. What if he scores 1000 our of 1600 on this most recent test? Nobody knows anything one way or another until he gets his scores back.

 

[JTLA]

All you jackhammers telling us about what typical ND students do or what you did need to get a reality check.

The world doesn't care what your tests scores are. The world wants to know how you can contribute.

Comparing ordinary ND students (or what you did) to what individuals who possess truly elite physical skills and talents is like comparing cows to horses.

Get a clue and get over yourselves.

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[woolybug25]

All you jackhammers telling us about what typical ND students do or what you did need to get a reality check.

The world doesn't care what your tests scores are. The world wants to know how you can contribute.

Comparing ordinary ND students (or what you did) to what individuals who possess truly elite physical skills and talents is like comparing cows to horses.

Get a clue and get over yourselves.

Geez... who was doing any of that? People wanted clarification on what McKenzie's score meant, so some of us explained how the test worked and what the typical scores were for ND. Sorry we couldn't find a graph of just athletes to serve to your sensibilities.

Yeah... it's the rest of us that need to get over ourselves... sheesh

 

[ClausentoTate]

You get 400 points for signing your name. I think the more relevant metric is the percentile that gets an 850, I'd guess it's the lower 25%.

 

[JTLA]

Geez... who was doing any of that? People wanted clarification on what McKenzie's score meant, so some of us explained how the test worked and what the typical scores were for ND. Sorry we couldn't find a graph of just athletes to serve to your sensibilities.

Yeah... it's the rest of us that need to get over ourselves... sheesh

Just making the comparison suggests the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place.

There is no need to judge what elite high school athletes do on SAT tests as it relates to what ND students do.

 

[pkt77242]

All you jackhammers telling us about what typical ND students do or what you did need to get a reality check.

The world doesn't care what your tests scores are. The world wants to know how you can contribute.

Comparing ordinary ND students (or what you did) to what individuals who possess truly elite physical skills and talents is like comparing cows to horses.

Get a clue and get over yourselves.

So your contribution is being an ass?

 

[woolybug25]

Just making the comparison suggests the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place.

There is no need to judge what elite high school athletes do on SAT tests as it relates to what ND students do.

Absolutely no one was doing that. We were discussing a recruit's possibility of gaining admission into the university. We are doing it in his thread. The numbers we are talking about are realities. That's what these threads are for... judging recruits based on if they will come to Notre Dame and how successful they will be if they do. If you don't like those subjects, then I suggest you find something else to read.

PS - Is calling others "jackhammers" and telling them to "get a clue and get over yourselves" not suggesting the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place?

 

[Emcee77]

Just making the comparison suggests the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place.

I totally disagree. How is it elitist or condescending just to compare the SAT scores of athletes and non-athletes? It would be elitist or condescending to call athletes dumb or to suggest that they shouldn't be there. No one in this thread was doing any of that. The conversation was just whether an 850 is such a low score that it should prevent somebody from getting in, or something along those lines. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There is no need to judge what elite high school athletes do on SAT tests as it relates to what ND students do.

Why should we bury our heads in the sand about this? The SAT is a predictor of college success (not saying it's the only one or the best one or anything like that, but that's its purpose, forecasting college success), some such test is a prerequisite for admission to college, and in this thread people were discussing when a score is or should be high enough for a kid to be granted admission. I just don't see the reason for outrage.

 

[yankeeND]

Just making the comparison suggests the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place.

There is no need to judge what elite high school athletes do on SAT tests as it relates to what ND students do.

I understand what you are getting at. Don't take it that way. There is a certain arrogance or pompous way about ND fans that I feel gets misconstrued all the time. ND fans do care about the total person concept. We take pride in the fact that our players go to class and graduate. It's about developing young people to be aware of their responsibilities and to be a part of the solution of the problems surrounding them. This includes the regular student body along with the student athletes. I think as fans we are vested a little more in the person rather than the jersey number. Just my .02

 

[JTLA]

Absolutely no one was doing that. We were discussing a recruit's possibility of gaining admission into the university. We are doing it in his thread. The numbers we are talking about are realities. That's what these threads are for... judging recruits based on if they will come to Notre Dame and how successful they will be if they do. If you don't like those subjects, then I suggest you find something else to read.

PS - Is calling others "jackhammers" and telling them to "get a clue and get over yourselves" not suggesting the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place?

People here are and were comparing their scores and you posted a very clear and colorful graph detailing what ND students score.

My point is simply that this information is not relevant to the conversation about whether McKenzie, or any other marginally scoring high school student, can or should be admitted to ND or anywhere else.

If you think my calling people here "jackhammers" is offensive, imagine how it feels to elite athletes when people value them by their scores.

 

[JTLA]

I understand what you are getting at. Don't take it that way. There is a certain arrogance or pompous way about ND fans that I feel gets misconstrued all the time. ND fans do care about the total person concept. We take pride in the fact that our players go to class and graduate. It's about developing young people to be aware of their responsibilities and to be a part of the solution of the problems surrounding them. This includes the regular student body along with the student athletes. I think as fans we are vested a little more in the person rather than the jersey number. Just my .02

A very fair assessment, and I think not all ND fans treat athletes the same. I just felt the need to call out treatment and attitudes that are detrimental when I see them.

Certainly, ND fans at large are a warm fuzzy bunch that I enjoy being associated with.

 

[Monk]

I'm confused by this conversation and why it even started. Maybe that's because my SAT scores weren't high enough to comprehend.

 

[woolybug25]

People here are and were comparing their scores and you posted a very clear and colorful graph detailing what ND students score.

My point is simply that this information is not relevant to the conversation about whether McKenzie, or any other marginally scoring high school student, can or should be admitted to ND or anywhere else.

If you think my calling people here "jackhammers" is offensive, imagine how it feels to elite athletes when people value them by their scores.

Of course we judge them by their scores. How in the hell else are we suppose to judge their academic ability to get admitted into the university?

But again... you are doing the exact same thing that you are trying to bash the rest of us for. It's hypocritical.

 

[yankeeND]

A very fair assessment, and I think not all ND fans treat athletes the same. I just felt the need to call out treatment and attitudes that are detrimental when I see them.

Certainly, ND fans at large are a warm fuzzy bunch that I enjoy being associated with.

I do not have a problem with what you were saying at all because like I said, there is a distinct difference from our fanbase verses other schools fans. I actually like the way Brian Kelly sells ND. We aren't better than anyone else, it is just shopping down a different aisle. What works for ND is what works for me. When I was a youngster I liked the gold helmets and the winning ways. As I've grown older I like the fact that ND tries to win but by doing things the right way. Some schools I am sure try to as well but, it turns out a lot that are saying they are doing so, are not. I do not begrudge other schools for their practices, I just don't condone them.

 

[aubeirish]

Just making the comparison suggests the elitism and condescension that mars the many qualities that make ND a great place.

There is no need to judge what elite high school athletes do on SAT tests as it relates to what ND students do.

To me it's not about comparing ND students to athletes in general. Also, do not put all the athletes in the same boat. This is mostly specific to football and basketball. These poor Testing scores are alarming all around the country, not because I think these testing are so accurate in testing a person, but getting above 900 should not be a problem for anyone. It is not ND specific, because 99.9% of ND recruits or prospective recruits are fantastic kids no matter what their scores are. I refuse to think that football players are mostly stupid. I think it is a testament on how some of their parents or the message the society is given them that they don't need to cultivate their intellect because they are gifted athletes is failing them. That is why so many go bankrupt after their NFL careers or end up badly after college. They mostly did not "really" go to college and learn how to be a responsible adults.

The end.

 

[connect the dots]

McKenzie just scored a touchdown for American Heritage in the Florida 5A finals. Torrance Gibson ran 78 yds for a score on the first series. AH 13 - 0 first quarter against Clay. Notre Dame or no Notre Dame, Sony Michel, Isaiah McKenzie, Tarvarus McFadden, and Torrance Gibson will take their elite skill sets to the next level and do just fine!

 

[Rack Em]

People here are and were comparing their scores and you posted a very clear and colorful graph detailing what ND students score.

My point is simply that this information is not relevant to the conversation about whether McKenzie, or any other marginally scoring high school student, can or should be admitted to ND or anywhere else.

If you think my calling people here "jackhammers" is offensive, imagine how it feels to elite athletes when people value them by their scores.

It's difficult for the average student to do well at ND, Stanford, Northwestern, Rice, etc. so this is VERY relevant when discussing whether a student athlete will succeed at ND.

ND is hard. It's not for everyone and that's okay. Nobody has bashed IM in this thread or "valued him by his scores". The discussion is rooted in a hope that he succeeds here or wherever he goes to school. But it's a discussion rooted in reality that he (apparently) needs to score better on the SAT.

Why did you feel the need to construe the conversation to fit your agenda?

 

[IrishLion]

People here are and were comparing their scores and you posted a very clear and colorful graph detailing what ND students score.

My point is simply that this information is not relevant to the conversation about whether McKenzie, or any other marginally scoring high school student, can or should be admitted to ND or anywhere else.

If you think my calling people here "jackhammers" is offensive, imagine how it feels to elite athletes when people value them by their scores.

It absolutely IS relevant lol. They need to be admitted, and discussing marginal scores versus usual scores is essential to that conversation.

 

[yankeeND]

It's difficult for the average student to do well at ND, Stanford, Northwestern, Rice, etc. so this is VERY relevant when discussing whether a student athlete will succeed at ND.

ND is hard. It's not for everyone and that's okay. Nobody has bashed IM in this thread or "valued him by his scores". The discussion is rooted in a hope that he succeeds here or wherever he goes to school. But it's a discussion rooted in reality that he (apparently) needs to score better on the SAT.

Why did you feel the need to construe the conversation to fit your agenda?

In fact, I think everyone here is truly pulling for Isaiah to succeed and be a part of the class. Honestly I think everyone admires the effort he has put into becoming eligible to be accepted to ND.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

People here are and were comparing their scores and you posted a very clear and colorful graph detailing what ND students score.

My point is simply that this information is not relevant to the conversation about whether McKenzie, or any other marginally scoring high school student, can or should be admitted to ND or anywhere else.

If you think my calling people here "jackhammers" is offensive, imagine how it feels to elite athletes when people value them by their scores.

It is absolutely relevant as the student-athlete at Notre Dame is in classes designed for very impressive students. The ability to keep up with the rigors of ND is very important when recruiting kids to ND. At a certain point, it becomes exploitation to admit kids who have little to no chance of keeping their heads above water in the classroom. They won't make the grades and then have to move on to another school. If McKenzie is only capable of an 850 on the SAT after two tries, is he going to be able to cut it in the classroom in classes designed for a host of students who got a 1450 or more? You start to wonder.

 

[JTLA]

It absolutely IS relevant lol. They need to be admitted, and discussing marginal scores versus usual scores is essential to that conversation.

It absolutely is NOT relevant.

It's about as relevant as discussing your 40-time as it relates to your college admission.

 

[CanadalovesND]

My SAT score: 640

And I made $132,565.00 this year.. as a 19 year old crack dealer

Boo ya!

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

My SAT score: 640

And I made $132,565.00 this year.. as a 19 year old crack dealer

Boo ya!

Crack is soooo 80's.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

It absolutely is NOT relevant.

It's about as relevant as discussing your 40-time as it relates to your college admission.

Are you clear on what the SAT is? Further, are you clear on how ND works?

Regular students don't need to be athletes. Athletes need to be students.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Crack is soooo 80's.

Meth is too trendy though, everyone trying to be the next Heisenburg

 

[yankeeND]

Could all of this discussion maybe be put in a separate thread from Isaiah's? It is a good discussion but I don't think Isaiah needs to be the basis of it. I'd rather know more about how his Sr year is going or if/when he qualifies.

 

[Ironman8]

In other news, Isaiah is playing right now in the State Championship.

 

[Ironman8]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>American Heritage has too much speed across the board. Isaiah McKenzie takes a swing pass 49 yards for a TD. <a href="http://t.co/ieJplf9CAE">http://t.co/ieJplf9CAE</a></p>— Luke Stampini (@LukeStampini) <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini/statuses/411564406644805633">December 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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