Chuck Martin accepts Miami OH job

[IrishBlood81]

He did. Not that expensive, actually.

Really? Thought it would be expensive and didn't know where he'd get the money. ty

 

[rtrn2glory]

love the idea of getting tommy on the staff as an offensive GA....would be great!

also, any word if chuck will take any of the staff with him to miami?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Personality issues. Even got kicked out of a HS football game in Lawrence when his son was playing. Saw an article recently that he's found a peaceful place in life, but who knows...

 

[GBdomer]

love the idea of getting tommy on the staff as an offensive GA....would be great!

also, any word if chuck will take any of the staff with him to miami?

lol what why?

 

[rtrn2glory]

seriously...anyone better to help golson and the young QB's?

idk who it is. plus who knows the offense better than tommy would as a GA?

yes physically he can't do much, but mentally he's outstanding. i don't see why this would be such a problem. would be great for ND

 

[palinurus]

No you are prob. right,... Golson being back there may open up the running game... anyway... my point was to take issue with the idea that the main key to last season was QB play... it clearly wasn't

I was about to counter with this. Anyway my point was not really limiting it to QB and QB numbers, but that Kelly's talent is running an offense that is built around a QB with a certain skill set. Maybe it was irrelevant last year, but going back to Cincy and through this year, when he has had a mobile QB and a team built around his offensive theme, he's done very well.

 

[irishog77]

Rees could maybe be a successful GA at ND...but probably not for a couple, few years. Sometimes it's best to let a little time pass before you come back and get some space between him and current teammates. I'd seriously doubt he'd be on Kelly's radar for the '14 season.

 

[pkt77242]

Rees could maybe be a successful GA at ND...but probably not for a couple, few years. Sometimes it's best to let a little time pass before you come back and get some space between him and current teammates. I'd seriously doubt he'd be on Kelly's radar for the '14 season.

I could see Rees goin with Martin and being a GA at Miami of Ohio for a year or two and then coming back to ND.

 

[irishog77]

I could see Rees goin with Martin and being a GA at Miami of Ohio for a year or two and then coming back to ND.

Yeah, that's a scenario I could see happening.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Kind of surprised to see so much talk about bringing in an outside OC (Mangino, Kiffin and Cam Cameron ????). Even if your personal preference as a fan is to a see a different offense, you have to know that Kelly isn't likely to hire an OC from outside of his own staff, and he almost definitely isn't going to bring in someone he will have to teach his whole offense to or who will install a brand new offense. It just isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't happen.

At the same time, I've seen it pointed out that this isn't bad thing or a good thing because Martin was basically a trusted manager for Kelly and ran Kelly's offense the way Kelly wanted him to. I agree on two out of the three points, but I do think it has the potential to be a good thing (although maybe not in the immediate short term). Some turnover on the staff over time is healthy. Martin was good at his job (from an administrative standpoint), but there are certainly capable people on the staff who can step into that role. Promoting people and bringing new people into your organization is a great way to keep people invested and keep the organization vibrant. Seeing top lieutenants move on to opportunities of their own is a good for the health of the organization over the long haul. I'm happy for Chuck to get this opportunity, but also happy for whoever gets an opportunity at ND because of it - whether that is Ernest Jones or someone else.

 

[palinurus]

I don't want to start a "Tommy War" here (or anywhere), so this is a real question, not rhetorical, and not trolling:

Do you think Tommy has the football mind to be an assistant coach, even OC, at Notre Dame some day? He clearly grasped the system well enough to play, but he often made the kind of mistakes that went to judgment (as opposed to being physical mistakes (like the "couldn't throw it far enough" underthrow we saw on Saturday)).

Simply put, I'm sure he's smart enough and has exposure and skills enough to coach somewhere, maybe even somewhere in college, but do you have a sense that he's the kind offensive mind that yields a great OC at a Notre Dame or equivalent? (I know not now, but I mean, really, ever.)

 

[irishog77]

I'll go ahead and say it-- I don't want Alford to be the OC. Part of the reasoning is because I don't think it's really in his wheelhouse, but mainly (and selfishly) it's because I don't want it to be another feather in his cap-- position coach, recruiting coordinator, assistant head coach, coordinator all are things an AD will be looking for when he hires a new coach. I want Alford to stay at ND forever.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/JJStankevitz">@JJStankevitz</a>: Brian Kelly tells <a href="https://twitter.com/CSNChicago">@CSNChicago</a> Mike Denbrock will serve as the team's offensive coordinator through bowl game.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/408008524480782336">December 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[phgreek]

I don't want to start a "Tommy War" here (or anywhere), so this is a real question, not rhetorical, and not trolling:

Do you think Tommy has the football mind to be an assistant coach, even OC, at Notre Dame some day? He clearly grasped the system well enough to play, but he often made the kind of mistakes that went to judgment (as opposed to being physical mistakes (like the "couldn't throw it far enough" underthrow we saw on Saturday)).

Simply put, I'm sure he's smart enough and has exposure and skills enough to coach somewhere, maybe even somewhere in college, but do you have a sense that he's the kind offensive mind that yields a great OC at a Notre Dame or equivalent? (I know not now, but I mean, really, ever.)

Sure...I think even when he made mistakes it was in large part due to his inability to pull it down and run, or throw it 60 yards like a bullet. It boils down to his limits giving him a real small window of read/recognition...and in that window its easy to make a mistake, especially when folks are trying to entice you to do so.

I think he will be able to bring QBs along very quickly because he knows how to take apart film, and he knows all the little things. I think he'd benefit by getting out of South Bend for 3-5 years...Miami of Ohio would be perfect...I can totally see him working for Kelly later on.

 

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/JJStankevitz">@JJStankevitz</a>: Brian Kelly tells <a href="https://twitter.com/CSNChicago">@CSNChicago</a> Mike Denbrock will serve as the team's offensive coordinator through bowl game.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/408008524480782336">December 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Welp that answers the Denbrock vs Alford debate.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Kind of surprised to see so much talk about bringing in an outside OC (Mangino, Kiffin and Cam Cameron ????). Even if your personal preference as a fan is to a see a different offense, you have to know that Kelly isn't likely to hire an OC from outside of his own staff, and he almost definitely isn't going to bring in someone he will have to teach his whole offense to or who will install a brand new offense. It just isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't happen.

At the same time, I've seen it pointed out that this isn't bad thing or a good thing because Martin was basically a trusted manager for Kelly and ran Kelly's offense the way Kelly wanted him to. I agree on two out of the three points, but I do think it has the potential to be a good thing (although maybe not in the immediate short term). Some turnover on the staff over time is healthy. Martin was good at his job (from an administrative standpoint), but there are certainly capable people on the staff who can step into that role. Promoting people and bringing new people into your organization is a great way to keep people invested and keep the organization vibrant. Seeing top lieutenants move on to opportunities of their own is a good for the health of the organization over the long haul. I'm happy for Chuck to get this opportunity, but also happy for whoever gets an opportunity at ND because of it - whether that is Ernest Jones or someone else.

RE: Mangino
I don't think he'll get it or anything. He's just a brilliant spread offense mind. I think there's probably lots of cross-over in the two offenses. Don't think it would be like reinventing the wheel. Ed Warinner, in fact, came to Notre Dame from Kansas.

Again, not going to happen. It was just a fascinating scenario.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

love the idea of getting tommy on the staff as an offensive GA....would be great!

also, any word if chuck will take any of the staff with him to miami?

You know he's going to Miami of Ohio right?

 

[Cackalacky]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/JJStankevitz">@JJStankevitz</a>: Brian Kelly tells <a href="https://twitter.com/CSNChicago">@CSNChicago</a> Mike Denbrock will serve as the team's offensive coordinator through bowl game.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/408008524480782336">December 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Test drive

 

[ACamp1900]

Test drive

Here Mike, I'll help you out... call at least a dozen down field fade routes... you can't fail.

 

[rtrn2glory]

You know he's going to Miami of Ohio right?

offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator gig....idk just asking

 

[IrishBlood81]

offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator gig....idk just asking

He'll be the head coach bro. And I doubt any one from ND would leave to sub coach for Miami of Ohio.

 

[IrishLax]

He'll be the head coach bro. And I doubt any one from ND would leave to sub coach for Miami of Ohio.

I believe what he is asking is whether a lower assistant would be interested in taking a coordinator gig with Martin (i.e. a promotion at a lesser school) rather than stay in their current role. I think the easy answer is "no"... I doubt Martin would try to poach Kelly's staff. I don't think this is a Brett Bielema situation where everyone hates him so they follow Paul Chryst to Pitt.

 

[IrishBlood81]

I believe what he is asking is whether a lower assistant would be interested in taking a coordinator gig with Martin (i.e. a promotion at a lesser school) rather than stay in their current role. I think the easy answer is "no"... I doubt Martin would try to poach Kelly's staff. I don't think this is a Brett Bielema situation where everyone hates him so they follow Paul Chryst to Pitt.

Ah! I follow now. I agree, I would say no too.

 

[Meacon Irish]

I don't want to start a "Tommy War" here (or anywhere), so this is a real question, not rhetorical, and not trolling:

Do you think Tommy has the football mind to be an assistant coach, even OC, at Notre Dame some day? He clearly grasped the system well enough to play, but he often made the kind of mistakes that went to judgment (as opposed to being physical mistakes (like the "couldn't throw it far enough" underthrow we saw on Saturday)).

Simply put, I'm sure he's smart enough and has exposure and skills enough to coach somewhere, maybe even somewhere in college, but do you have a sense that he's the kind offensive mind that yields a great OC at a Notre Dame or equivalent? (I know not now, but I mean, really, ever.)

Of course. Show me one player or coach that use to play that never made mistakes. He's a bright kid and has a good football mind.

 

[kmoose]

I either want Kelly back to calling, or ideally a coach specialized in uptempo spread play (ala a chip Kelly kind of guy)

Feel like chuck was too traditional.

You would have preferred to see Tommy Rees running a zone read?

 

[Irish#1]

I don't want to start a "Tommy War" here (or anywhere), so this is a real question, not rhetorical, and not trolling:

Do you think Tommy has the football mind to be an assistant coach, even OC, at Notre Dame some day? He clearly grasped the system well enough to play, but he often made the kind of mistakes that went to judgment (as opposed to being physical mistakes (like the "couldn't throw it far enough" underthrow we saw on Saturday)).

Simply put, I'm sure he's smart enough and has exposure and skills enough to coach somewhere, maybe even somewhere in college, but do you have a sense that he's the kind offensive mind that yields a great OC at a Notre Dame or equivalent? (I know not now, but I mean, really, ever.)

He has the mental makeup for it and remember, he's the son of a coach so he's been exposed to everything football for a long time. I think it would come to him naturally.

 

[Irish#1]

Here Mike, I'll help you out... call at least a dozen down field fade routes... you can't fail.

If you don't see much difference in the play calling in the bowl game, then I think that will confirm that Kelly is the one calling the majority of the plays.

 

[Cackalacky]

Here Mike, I'll help you out... call at least a dozen down field fade routes... you can't fail.

Lol. Good times. Good times.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

it's funny so many people are calling for a spread offense guru to come in when chuck martin ran the spread and won 2 national titles with it--with the d-2 equivalent of tebow in Finnerty.

 

[stlnd01]

Tommy could be a great assistant or GA at Miami of Ohio. If that's a move he wants to make he'd be better off going there than hanging around at Notre Dame, I'd think.
Kelly should probably promote someone from within (Denbrock?). Unless maybe that guy from Buffalo was interested. But he can't revamp the offense now that he's finally got his QB pipeline sorted out.