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It wasn't a link, he was underlining for emphasis.
'12 AL QB Jameis Winston (FSU Verbal)
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It wasn't a link, he was underlining for emphasis.
To be clear, college sexual ethics can be quite murky.
If she said no or was passed out drunk, then absolutely that was wrong. And he should be harshly punished.
But all too often, someone gets drunks and does something they later regret. And rape gets thrown around for a variety of reasons.
If someone is drunk, sure there is a good argument that they were unable to consent. But, so often the guy is the one accused of rape even though he was likely just as drunk. That is the all too murky situation that probably captures much or most of this troubling area.
Again, rape does occur and far too often. But the term has been broadened to include areas that are more grey than black and white.
For example, if there was any consistency and if two drunk people had sex, both should be prosecuted and convicted of rape. But when have you EVER heard of that happening?
If she said no or was passed out drunk, then absolutely that was wrong. And he should be harshly punished.
But all too often, someone gets drunks and does something they later regret. And rape gets thrown around for a variety of reasons.
If someone is drunk, sure there is a good argument that they were unable to consent. But, so often the guy is the one accused of rape even though he was likely just as drunk. That is the all too murky situation that probably captures much or most of this troubling area.
Again, rape does occur and far too often. But the term has been broadened to include areas that are more grey than black and white.
For example, if there was any consistency and if two drunk people had sex, both should be prosecuted and convicted of rape. But when have you EVER heard of that happening?
That is fair.
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She went to the emergency room immediately after the incident and was examined.
If the examination found evidence that indicates any "violence", my guess is he's indicted.
If there was no evidence of "violence", then I'm guessing he walks.
If the examination found evidence that indicates any "violence", my guess is he's indicted.
If there was no evidence of "violence", then I'm guessing he walks.
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If she had been drinking, I could see where she would miss the boat on the height.
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The sad thing is....like posters mentioned above, too often we just dismiss the male side of the story.
I have a crazy story from college that a buddy of mine when through. He nailed some chick he met at a party, they both had drinks, and found out she had reported rape about a week later.
Come to find out, she had a boyfriend at the time and wanted to save face so she said he took advantage of her (one of her friends spilled the beans when the cops interviewed her). After the charges were dropped (my buddy had witnesses at the party that said she was all over him the whole night, she was grabbing him..etc.) ...she ends up stalking him and harassing him. He had to take out a restraining order on her. It was insane.
Sad thing is...That whole semester, he was a 'rapist". And I bet there are still some people that think he was guilty of that even when the facts cleared him.
Again, not dismissing rape or the severity of it....but too often we jump on the bandwagon on a damaging term that can, literally, ruin a young mans life.
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or if she was simply going by the size of his.......
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The lengths to which this girl is trying to remain anonymous is unlike most false accusation cases though.
She is even refusing to be contacted by anyone except through counsel, and is trying to use the Rape Shield Law to block any information about her.
She is even refusing to be contacted by anyone except through counsel, and is trying to use the Rape Shield Law to block any information about her.
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exactly! but i'm sure some how her name will mysteriously get leaked
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So far, only things on her side have gotten leaked (police reports, DNS test results), not the affidavits.
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It fits the way some people want to see the world. We all do it to some degree on different issues.
I really can't believe, though, that ND fans would trust the reliability of all of these reports after the Manti situation. People are not fair or objective, and we shouldn't pretend that they are.
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Jameis Winston Isn't The Only Problem Here: An FSU Teacher's Lament
term paper written in someone else's voice--wtf?
None of them is older than 22
this is from a writing professor
term paper written in someone else's voice--wtf?
None of them is older than 22
this is from a writing professor
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Damn, not all the way through it yet, but this is interesting. The players are getting away with some [Mark May] in the classroom at FSU.
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What! I am shocked! Shocked! That such things happen at football factories...
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Emcee77
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"Voice" is commonly used to describe someone's writing style.
None = not one. It's singular. "Of them" is a prepositional phrase modifying "none"; the subject of the verb "are" is "none," not "them". So "None of them is older than 22" is actually correct. Verb agreement with "none" is a very common error that I see all the time, even in legal docs.
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I thought I had read that her blood test showed no remnants of alcohol.
If it was a .23, Winston would probably be in bigger trouble as it'll get into the "too drunk to agree" dealio.
Regardless, how would they know it was a .23? Seems like you'd need a blood test very soon after the fact to determine that.
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ok..thanks for the clarification! i suck w/ grammar and writing so because it didn't look right to me, i should have known it was right...
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Nope. If you know when they started drinking, you can extrapolate from their current BAC to their peak BAC with a very high degree of precision. It involves a few assumptions but I'm not familiar enough with the chemistry haha
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I thought I saw somewhere that she went immediately to the hospital because of the alleged rape. Wouldn't they take her blood there?
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She did say that in her statement, that she went immediately to get checked out.
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So wait a min...she had a .23 BAC and had the clairity to go to the hospital? But didn't have the mind to consent to sex?
Isn't it kind of inconsistent to say that someone is of frame of mind to get to hospital because they believe they had been raped, but when it comes to making a decision about sex, they couldn't have known better because of the level of intoxication?
That would lead me to believe that she MUST have had someone with her that can at least verify her story, no?
Just a thought.
But Buster is right...he's screwed if they determine she was that drunk at the time of the alleged rape.
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I am pretty confused on the alchol part for the girl. I have seen both sides: 1) she didn't have alcohol in her system and 2) she was really, really drunk.
The fact that she was cognizant enough to go to the hospital makes me think she was not drunk. But who really knows .......
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^This.
Again, assuming that she was cognizant enough, after the act, to get dressed, drive to hospital and explain that she was just raped. With a .23 BAC, that his highly unlikely....That's 3 times the limit
I have to assume that someone witnessed, or found her, and drove her if she was drinking
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I believe they took her for a rape test that night?
I read she was crying to a friend who took her to the hospital. The same article also stated that she was sober, so take it with a grain of salt.