'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[peoriairish]

MSU and VT are a tough game for us, but is no different that a mid conference foe for most conference champions. They compare to a TCU, Ole Miss, etc. A game that should almost always be won, by a decent margin, when you are a top 4 program.

Stanford and USC have infrequently been good at the same time. You cannot count on both being good in the future. So, I would say that is, one very good opponent.

FSU would be tough.

So, in the grand scheme of things, I would say, yes, I only see two tough games in there.

You haven't watched VT play at all this year have you? His point was using this year's teams. Teams are always in flux. I mean FSU had been really bad for the past 4 years.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So, in the grand scheme of things, I would say, yes, I only see two tough games in there.

Isn't that how the SEC schedules? Two marquis match-ups, some solid mid-conference opponents, and fill-in with cupcakes and Byes. They've been doing quite well with that sort of schedule.

 

[ACamp1900]

MSU and VT are a tough game for us, but is no different that a mid conference foe for most conference champions. They compare to a TCU, Ole Miss, etc. A game that should almost always be won, by a decent margin, when you are a top 4 program.

Stanford and USC have infrequently been good at the same time. You cannot count on both being good in the future. So, I would say that is, one very good opponent.

FSU would be tough.

So, in the grand scheme of things, I would say, yes, I only see two tough games in there.

Good, let it be so then... the polsters would not agree and we'll get credit for auto 10-2 at worst every year...

 

[koonja]

Well then I guess it's impossible to ever question BK or another head coach for that matter for not trusting his younger, more talented players because we can always say 'well who knows what would have happened'. Is this what you're saying? That every and all coaches are exempt from this issue because you never know what could have happened?

 

[greyhammer90]

We may never win another national championship. And I'm OK with that. Even the country's top programs are lucky to win one once a decade, and they're not competing under ND's unique restrictions. If your mindset is "Championship or Bust", then you're setting yourself up for lots of unhappiness.

Well then lets join a conference then. I mean if we're just going to be a B+/B- football school lets just go ahead and settle into our role.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I can promise you right now that there will be multiple posters that just don't get the concept of playing bottom-feeders. They will argue that they will get bored watching us pound Rice.

No issue with play Rice as long as we make sure we have play 3 top 15 games. When looking at the SEC, you think Georgia would be where they are now if they didn't play South Carolina and LSU?

 

[IrishFan4L]

This is ****ed up if true, this guy is a beast & will flourish wherever he goes!! Coaching staff needs to get there **** togrther they're obviously ****ing up recruiting . It looks good on signing day & a year later the top recruits are gone.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I agree, in all honesty outside of the run against Temple Amir hasn't shown me anything special and certainly nothing I don't think Folston or Bryant couldn't do.

I just don't buy it. Our highest of high end recruits in Te'o and Clausen were both mediocre to bad as freshmen. Most are. I know those are both QB type positions, but It takes time for most guys to have the light go off.

 

[peoriairish]

No issue with play Rice as long as we make sure we have play 3 top 15 games. When looking at the SEC, you think Georgia would be where they are now if they didn't play South Carolina and LSU?

I am replying to you in the new thread as to keep this on Greg.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Well then I guess it's impossible to ever question BK or another head coach for that matter for not trusting his younger, more talented players because we can always say 'well who knows what would have happened'. Is this what you're saying? That every and all coaches are exempt from this issue because you never know what could have happened?

You're working on a hypothetical. People pointed out the other side of the hypothetical. I think it was a fair back and forth.

 

[ryno 24]

Is this official or is there just a lot of smoke? From everything Ive heard so far he has enjoyed his nd experience

 

[Ironman8]

Well then I guess it's impossible to ever question BK or another head coach for that matter for not trusting his younger, more talented players because we can always say 'well who knows what would have happened'. Is this what you're saying? That every and all coaches are exempt from this issue because you never know what could have happened?

He knows what would happen. They wouldn't know all of their requisite assignments / playcalls. That's obvious. Folston acknowledged that, Redfield acknowledged that. If you don't think those guys are going to see the field more once they get the mental stuff down, then I don't know what to tell you.

Honest question - have you been on a competitive team sport's team? How could you ever justify playing a kid who doesn't know all of his responsibilities over guys who have put in the work and know exactly what they should be doing, and still expect to have the locker room (specifically the veterans). That is just hindering the whole team's chance at optimal efficiency while undermining and alienating the veterans on your team.

If we played a different type of offense, or had a different QB, or if GB picked up the playbook as quick as Zaire and Jaylon reportedly did, things would probably be different. But none of that is the reality, thus we have to deal in the reality.

Becomes much harder to question him here given how successful other freshman have been, and how much trust he obviously puts in them. Jaylon starting from day 1 and being extremely successful. Steve Elmer being subbed in for Christian Lombard to man up on the best DL we will play all year. Running plays at important aspects of close games to two true freshman receivers. Running behind another true freshman receiver when a TD was needed in the redzone. Starting a true freshman as your nickel back and 3rd corner over Lo Wood.

Wayy to many examples of him trusting freshman in key spots after they evidently earned it and it working out to really question his judgement on others, IMO.

 

[greyhammer90]

Is this official or is there just a lot of smoke? From everything Ive heard so far he has enjoyed his nd experience

 

[Irish Insanity]

Is this official or is there just a lot of smoke? From everything Ive heard so far he has enjoyed his nd experience

There was just a tweet from someone from TPs sight a few pages back. Something about smoke and fire and he'll release it in his Thursday blog post. Thats what started all this. Could know something. Could be Bryant. Could be a bluff to draw more hits. Could be Rees. Its all a stab in the dark. Lol.

 

[FLDomer]

You haven't watched VT play at all this year have you? His point was using this year's teams. Teams are always in flux. I mean FSU had been really bad for the past 4 years.

Since 2010 they have had 10 + win seasons with bowl victories in those season...I wish ND was that bad the last 4 yrs

 

[gkIrish]

what's your evidence that they aren't?

Because many of their players take money to play football there. Sounds like a me-first type of guy to me.

We may never win another national championship. And I'm OK with that. Even the country's top programs are lucky to win one once a decade, and they're not competing under ND's unique restrictions. If your mindset is "Championship or Bust", then you're setting yourself up for lots of unhappiness.

It's not Championship or Bust. It's "make Progress towards a Championship or Bust." Losing great players consistently is not making progress.

This is the point. We got to the NCG. We went 12-0. It's clearly NOT impossible for us to win a championship. But moving forward it doesn't look like we will be in a position to do so. I refuse to accept mediocrity because I've seen that our ceiling is higher than that.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Well then I guess it's impossible to ever question BK or another head coach for that matter for not trusting his younger, more talented players because we can always say 'well who knows what would have happened'. Is this what you're saying? That every and all coaches are exempt from this issue because you never know what could have happened?

As always, Kelly's not exempt from criticism. But (1) we don't know enough about the situation to blame him for Bryant's transfer; and (2) even if lack of playing time is the primary factor, our front-loaded schedule and Rees' lack of mobility are pretty obvious justifications for not playing a true freshman who doesn't know his audibles yet.

Well then lets join a conference then. I mean if we're just going to be a B+/B- football school lets just go ahead and settle into our role.

We've all but joined the ACC. Football independence seems like a non-negotiable issue anyway. And aside from secondary bowl tie-ins, what's the real benefit of conference membership once the play-off hits?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That doesn't look good...

 

[Irish Insanity]

Guess you'd do well in prison....

Exactly, wait what?

I'm not for lightening our schedule, but I'd rather schedule a couple cup cakes and be the pitcher than schedule all top 15 teams and be forced to catch a few times.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As always, Kelly's not exempt from criticism. But (1) we don't know enough about the situation to blame him for Bryant's transfer; and (2) even if lack of playing time is the primary factor, our front-loaded schedule and Rees' lack of mobility are pretty obvious justifications for not playing a true freshman who doesn't know his audibles yet.

I do think this one is huge. I'd be in favor of reorganizing the schedule even if we didn't change it much.

 

[peoriairish]

I do think this one is huge. I'd be in favor of reorganizing the schedule even if we didn't change it much.

Again... I'll respond over in the other thread.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

People are acting like this over some no name's cryptic tweet?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

People are acting like this over some no name's cryptic tweet?

It's been confirmed all over the place, and the smoke has been building for months.

 

[OCIrish]

Grey......this just made my day, as bad as it has been.......a very big THANKS!!!!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Confirmed would imply more than 7 different people tweeting about it in the last few hours IMO.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Confirmed would imply more than 7 different people tweeting about it in the last few hours IMO.

Tweet from Baratti seems bad.

 

[gkIrish]

Confirmed would imply more than 7 different people tweeting about it in the last few hours IMO.

You've been a fan long enough to know this isn't just smoke.

 

[peoriairish]

People are acting like this over some no name's cryptic tweet?

To be fair, Dame Fan isn't some no name. He has some serious connections in the program.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I kinda liked Folston more as a prospect anyhow, although now the Hood and Stark situation are real kicks in the balls.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You've been a fan long enough to know this isn't just smoke.

I've been a fan long enough to remember when everyone was saying Louis Nix was going to transfer as well. I don't believe it until it comes from someone who matters.