'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[ndfi78]

Rees In His Rightful Place As Notre Dame QB | Notre Dame Football Blog

Great article

 

[rtrn2glory]

With 6 completions Rees moves into 4th Place on the All-Time Career Completions List ahead of Steve Beuerlein (473).

Rees has 5 fewer completions while throwing 109 fewer passes.

i'm starting to think BGIF is Tommy Rees

 

[IrishLax]

If I'm Notre Dame I line up with 12 personnel all game and make MSU commit to stopping the run. Once they do, I let Tommy air it out to Daniels and Jones. Should get enough big plays to win if the defense shows up.

 

[rtrn2glory]

at the beginning of the year i thought we'd be in 12 personnel all year, but that has quickly shifted

 

[IrishLax]

at the beginning of the year i thought we'd be in 12 personnel all year, but that has quickly shifted

Yeah, we've shown no identity to this point. A whole myriad of packaged plays and formations. Time to decide what we want to be.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yeah, we've shown no identity to this point. A whole myriad of packaged plays and formations. Time to decide what we want to be.

The last drive against Purdue we were almost strictly in 12 iirc. Also the best we have looked running the ball this year. I don't think that is a coincidence.

Like you, and many others here, I hope we use it a lot Saturday.

We clearly benefit from the extra TE blocking in the run game and personally I think our TE's would be more part of the passing game once we can get some running going. We don't have that flex out guy right not imo. Not saying they aren't capable just not using them to their best abilities.

I know they like to spread the defense out to try and make them show their hand but you can force them into defenses in the 12 personnel and by establishing the run early.

 

[NDWorld247]

If I'm Notre Dame I line up with 12 personnel all game and make MSU commit to stopping the run. Once they do, I let Tommy air it out to Daniels and Jones. Should get enough big plays to win if the defense shows up.

I'm torn between lining up in 12 personnel and allowing Tommy, Daniels, TJ and Troy to gash MSU's man coverage or spreading them out for more favorable numbers in the box. I'm torn because, while I agree with you, that's exactly what MSU wants us to do.

 

[BGIF]

I'm torn between lining up in 12 personnel and allowing Tommy, Daniels, TJ and Troy to gash MSU's man coverage or spreading them out for more favorable numbers in the box. I'm torn because, while I agree with you, that's exactly what MSU wants us to do.

To quote ND fans of the Holtz area, "HIT THE TIGHT END!"

We already know that Niklas can "Go the distance". Remind them. And

Then let people know Koyack IS a receiver.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm torn between lining up in 12 personnel and allowing Tommy, Daniels, TJ and Troy to gash MSU's man coverage or spreading them out for more favorable numbers in the box. I'm torn because, while I agree with you, that's exactly what MSU wants us to do.

If I'm not mistaken, we were in 12 personnel on DD's long TD against Allen/Purdue. Let Tommy pick apart the man coverage over the top after he makes checks at the line against a stacked box.

 

[NDWorld247]

If I'm not mistaken, we were in 12 personnel on DD's long TD against Allen/Purdue. Let Tommy pick apart the man coverage over the top after he makes checks at the line against a stacked box.

Yes, we were. Niklas stayed in to block, along with the RB, while Koyack (I assume, couldn't make out the number in the clip I saw) attracted double coverage on an out. If Tommy is having an accurate day, our WRs should be able to consistently beat MSU in man coverage on the outside.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

To quote ND fans of the Holtz area, "HIT THE TIGHT END!"

We already know that Niklas can "Go the distance". Remind them. And

Then let people know Koyack IS a receiver.

danny smith too

 

[irishfan]

Tommy Rees’ Mentions On Twitter Are Absolutely Brutal | College Spun – Social. Local. Consumable. College Sports.

Hope none of these tweets are from IE guys. Kid doesn't have hit it physically, but he's giving it his all.

 

[IrishLion]

Funny to see the discussion on 12 personell and the success ND has had running it... I thought ND's best plays against Oklahoma all came in 12 packages. However, I haven't given the game a second watch yet so I may be mistaken. I know at the very least that most of Atkinson's successful rushes were from 12 personell.

 

[aubeirish]

Tommy Rees’ Mentions On Twitter Are Absolutely Brutal | College Spun – Social. Local. Consumable. College Sports.

Hope none of these tweets are from IE guys. Kid doesn't have hit it physically, but he's giving it his all.

I have no idea what these kids do on twitter. I would never be on there. There are so many freaking morons on twitter. At least don't make your profile public. Just saying. He shouldn't have to put up with all this crap. Like you said, he gives his all out there.

 

[kmoose]

12 personnel = 1 back, 2 Tight Ends?

 

[BGIF]

12 personnel = 1 back, 2 Tight Ends?

Correct

 

[ulukinatme]

Tommy Rees’ Mentions On Twitter Are Absolutely Brutal | College Spun – Social. Local. Consumable. College Sports.

Hope none of these tweets are from IE guys. Kid doesn't have hit it physically, but he's giving it his all.

That's a lot of disrespectful, disappointing fans. Screw each one of 'em. Tommy gives us the best chance to win with our current group of QBs. If they want to blame anyone, they should be destroying Golson's Twitter. I don't advocate doing that, mind you, but Golson probably cost this team more. Tommy's doing his best here and some of the play calling has been bad. Can't fault a kid for giving it his best. I'm gonna back Reesus as long as he's QB, there is no class in ripping the kid.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Tommy has struggled the last two games there is no silver lining there. To put all the blame on him and for fans to react this way is petty. Ill admit on the football field, I dont like to see Rees out there, but he has done a hell of a job in his career. The kid been put in absolutely crappy situations since his first appearance vs Michigan in 2010. The kid has done nothing but great things for Notre Dame. I mean he got boo'd when he entered the Purdue game last year and shrugged it off and won the game. This year in Wins and Losses people have b*tched about him, yet he still goes out there and conducts himself to a higher level than the adults tweeting/publicly bashing him. The kid is SENIOR in COLLEGE doing something 99% of the fans couldnt do and handle the situation better than anyone thats played QB at ND for a long long time. Being QB at ND is a tough as hell job in its own right, and you saw that pressure get to Golson at times last year. Rees clearly doesnt have the support from the fanbase and keeps going out each week and what is the telling sign is the team has his back. If he was putting on a show, then they wouldnt have his back.

Its not in this thread but for those calling for Hendrix and Zaire are oblivious to the ND quarterback situation. Zaire didnt get reps in camp with 1st or 2nd team and didnt do any football related stuff for 4 weeks when he had mono. So turning the team over to a true freshman who has probably 20% of the playbook if that, and is far from game shape seems like a GREAT idea. (italics)

Hendrix, no disrespect to him, but for those who bash Rees for having a bad career/TOs/everthing in between, hasnt beat out that "bad player" in 3 years. I get that he gives ND a mobile threat, but there is clearly a roadblock in him playing the position. I do like what they did saturday and used him similiar to Belldozer last year. That scheme needs shaped up but its something that does give ND an advantage once it gets to a higher level of execution.

Tommy gives ND the best option as a starting QB. Get the Oline to put a full game together in run/pass pro and see what happens. They got the run game going, but forgot how to pass block Saturday. Get the WRs coached up on their routes and let Tommy be a experienced player.

Id take Rees over 90% D1 QBs in the country. If you dont believe me, make a list and look at the names on it. The iffy ones look at their stats vs a top 25 team and they are no better than Rees. That includes backup QBs bc Rees is essentially NDs backup QB bc of the Golson situation. He is starter by default. Its not always as bad as it seems.

Go Irish.

 

[ulukinatme]

Hendrix, no disrespect to him, but for those who bash Rees for having a bad career/TOs/everthing in between, hasnt beat out that "bad player" in 3 years. I get that he gives ND a mobile threat, but there is clearly a roadblock in him playing the position. I do like what they did saturday and used him similiar to Belldozer last year. That scheme needs shaped up but its something that does give ND an advantage once it gets to a higher level of execution.

Tommy gives ND the best option as a starting QB. Get the Oline to put a full game together in run/pass pro and see what happens. They got the run game going, but forgot how to pass block Saturday. Get the WRs coached up on their routes and let Tommy be a experienced player.

Id take Rees over 90% D1 QBs in the country. If you dont believe me, make a list and look at the names on it. The iffy ones look at their stats vs a top 25 team and they are no better than Rees. That includes backup QBs bc Rees is essentially NDs backup QB bc of the Golson situation. He is starter by default. Its not always as bad as it seems.

Go Irish.

Well said, TP! I agreed with everything you said, but cut the quote down for some brevity. I also liked what Kelly/Martin did by inserting Hendrix in at times Saturday. While he does bring a more mobile element to the offense, I think he's struggling with the reads. You could see it in the limited plays during the Temple game too. Hendrix can't decide whether he wants to keep it or hand it off on read option plays, and he seems to make the wrong pick more often than not. Having a more mobile QB doesn't help us much if he's reading the DE incorrectly on that option, but at least it gives the defense something else to think about I guess. Then again, I don't think any defenses are worried when Hendrix comes out on the field. I still feel more confidant when Tommy is in.

You're right about Tommy's stats and the comparison to other D1 talent. I would take Tommy before 90% of the other QBs. When you compare the stats and the competition, Tommy holds up just fine. I think the biggest problem people have with Tommy is a crummy recruiting score. When they see Tommy they see "3 star talent," when we've had a fair share of four and five star guys (Whether they stayed here or not) recruited for QB for some time now. People complained about his turnover issues as an underclassman, but that's what underclassmen often do. Yeah, he threw 3 picks against Oklahoma, but I'd only call one of them a bad decision. The other two were the results of a hit and a tipped pass. As far as his other two picks on the year, only one of those was a bad decision imo. Two bad decisions in 165 attempts ain't too bad.

 

[stlnd01]

I think the biggest problem people have with Tommy is a crummy recruiting score. When they see Tommy they see "3 star talent," when we've had a fair share of four and five star guys (Whether they stayed here or not) recruited for QB for some time now.

I'm not a Tommy-hater. I'll always respect the guy for all he does (and puts up with) and I agree he's the best we've got right now. I'd take him over just about any backup QB in the country (though saying he's better than 90% of starting D-1 QBs, which would put him in the top 15, seems kinda generous for a senior who just closed out a big game with eight straight INCs.)

Either way, to be fair, at this point I think the problem people have has more to do with his lack of mobility and iffy arm strength - and what that does to the rest of our offense - than his recruiting ratings from four years ago. We've seen the guy play a lot of football at this point.

 

[Patulski]

. The kid been put in absolutely crappy situations since his first appearance vs Michigan in 2010. The kid has done nothing but great things for Notre Dame.

Rees was played too early in his career, but to say in his senior year with 22 starts under his belt that he was put in a "crappy situation" against Oklahoma is absurd. So is to to say he done "nothing but great things". There are ways to support him that do not include such blatant misrepresentations of reality.

 

[#1rish]

I'm indifferent on Tommy. I agree he's done good things for ND, but his limited skillset greatly diminishes the dynamic of the offense. IMO you can only check the play so much at the line, but the defense will always know that you are not a threat at running the ball.

It's pretty clear that the era of dual-threat quarterbacks is upon us. I appreciate what you've done Tommy, but I cannot wait for Zaire (even possibly Golson) to take the reins next season. Or possibly sooner.

 

[ulukinatme]

Rees was played too early in his career, but to say in his senior year with 22 starts under his belt that he was put in a "crappy situation" against Oklahoma is absurd. So is to to say he done "nothing but great things". There are ways to support him that do not include such blatant misrepresentations of reality.

Maybe not against Oklahoma, but man...certainly his first three years Tommy was the recipient of a lot of football god hate. Had to spell Crist in the Michigan game first. Came into that Tulsa game, which was devastating even before the game started. Took over again for Crist after the crazy, stormy USF game. Poor defensive play at Michigan after that sealed the stupid night game at scUM. Coming into boos against Purdue last year. Coming in cold again against Stanford and Michigan...yadda yadda, etc. Yeah, it's what a backup is supposed to do, but Tommy carried himself pretty well in those circumstances I think. He also didn't lose his composure against OU when things got ugly after those early picks which were pretty much out of his hands.

While he may not produce "all things great," the kid gets less credit for what little success he's accomplished than any other QB I can remember. People have been quick to point the fingers at Tommy this year when things have gone poorly, and they seldom have pointed fingers toward him when things went well in the past while he was under center. I can't remember a QB we've had that's been more distrusted or polarizing (At least in the last 10 years, maybe 20).

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Rees was played too early in his career, but to say in his senior year with 22 starts under his belt that he was put in a "crappy situation" against Oklahoma is absurd. So is to to say he done "nothing but great things". There are ways to support him that do not include such blatant misrepresentations of reality.

I wasnt referring to Oklahoma. I was referring to the big picture. He should t have had to start vs Oklahoma in the big scheme of things but he did. There hasnt exactly been a situation where he has won the job but given the reigns after situations bc he was the best available. Im not sayin you cant dislike it or what not.

Another fact is that out of the 2010 class...he is the qb with the best w/l record. Coming from a "3-star" with no athletic ability Ill take it.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Maybe not against Oklahoma, but man...certainly his first three years Tommy was the recipient of a lot of football god hate. Had to spell Crist in the Michigan game first. Came into that Tulsa game, which was devastating even before the game started. Took over again for Crist after the crazy, stormy USF game. Poor defensive play at Michigan after that sealed the stupid night game at scUM. Coming into boos against Purdue last year. Coming in cold again against Stanford and Michigan...yadda yadda, etc. Yeah, it's what a backup is supposed to do, but Tommy carried himself pretty well in those circumstances I think. He also didn't lose his composure against OU when things got ugly after those early picks which were pretty much out of his hands.

While he may not produce "all things great," the kid gets less credit for what little success he's accomplished than any other QB I can remember. People have been quick to point the fingers at Tommy this year when things have gone poorly, and they seldom have pointed fingers toward him when things went well in the past while he was under center. I can't remember a QB we've had that's been more distrusted or polarizing (At least in the last 10 years, maybe 20).

Great Post

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm indifferent on Tommy. I agree he's done good things for ND, but his limited skillset greatly diminishes the dynamic of the offense. IMO you can only check the play so much at the line, but the defense will always know that you are not a threat at running the ball.

It's pretty clear that the era of dual-threat quarterbacks is upon us. I appreciate what you've done Tommy, but I cannot wait for Zaire (even possibly Golson) to take the reins next season. Or possibly sooner.

While the era of the dual-threat QB is certainly upon us, that doesn't mean the pocket QB is dead. I hear that AJ McCarron isn't too shabby, and Peyton Manning might make a good QB in the NFL someday These guys have always found success by running the ball and eating defenses up with Play Action. For whatever reason our coaches like telegraphing our offense with Tommy by running plays out of 5 wide formations and not enough 2 TEs (Despite the later being fairly effective this year). We haven't done a good job establishing the run, and it hasn't opened up the PA as often as you'd like for a pocket QB as a result.

 

[DSully1995]

It matters little about his absolute skill, as an economist, Tommy has to suck compared to an alternative, and there is no better alternative. So, Tommy is our best QB, and I support him.

 

[RDU Irish]

I can't bring myself to read the Tommy posts but just have to add my thoughts.

Not surprised by Saturday, just disappointed. We knew that was going to happen this year with Tommy at the helm. 21 points off turnovers, more than that if you consider we had at least a field goal coming on one of those possessions. I don't blame Tommy, he does what he can. His lack of mobility and accuracy are what we have to live with. Maybe we haven't been passing over the middle b/c WHEN he misses it is devastating. Missing deep or out of bounds = incomplete versus INT.

What irritates the crap out of me is that we should have been able to run the ball down their throat all freaking day but we hamstrung ourselves by getting down so much, so fast. I thought 3 & out to start the game was bad, but now it looks good compared to Pick 6 on the first f-ing play.

 

[ulukinatme]

I can't bring myself to read the Tommy posts but just have to add my thoughts.

Not surprised by Saturday, just disappointed. We knew that was going to happen this year with Tommy at the helm. 21 points off turnovers, more than that if you consider we had at least a field goal coming on one of those possessions. I don't blame Tommy, he does what he can. His lack of mobility and accuracy are what we have to live with. Maybe we haven't been passing over the middle b/c WHEN he misses it is devastating. Missing deep or out of bounds = incomplete versus INT.

Did you watch those interceptions?

Notre Dame football Tommy Rees - chicagotribune.com

"I don't think we're asking him to do too much at all," receiver TJ Jones said. "Our offense is a lot, but Tommy is in my opinion the smartest quarterback in the nation. You could throw as much as you want at him, and he's going to be able to take it.

"It's more everybody working with Tommy. Some of the mistakes may seem like they're Tommy's fault, and they're the receivers' fault. It's everybody fine-tuning everything."

Rees' first interception against Oklahoma was precipitated by a brutal gaffe from veteran offensive linemen. His second was a ball thrown high but tipped to a defender. His third was a ball thrown a bit behind DaVaris Daniels, but it, too, was tipped, and Jones noted he and Daniels ran routes at incorrect depths to cause traffic in the area.

"We've got some young receivers out there that are not precise, quite frankly, in their route-running," Kelly added.

 

[returnofthemack]

Did you watch those interceptions?

Notre Dame football Tommy Rees - chicagotribune.com

The second one was an inaccurate pass that got tipped - the kind we lauded Manti for intercepting and made him a Heisman finalist. As for the third one, maybe the WRs ran the wrong route, so don't throw it with that many defenders in the area! If I recall correctly, it wasn't a timing route, and he should know by now that he doesn't have the arm to fit it in there.