'14 IN OLB/S Drue Tranquill (Notre Dame Man)

[koonja]

Seriously, no offense, but I think you may be an idiot.

I'm not saying this is the case with Drue, but lump me in with the few that believe many more 3-star players come out of Florida and become major players than in Indiana. Florida has so much talent that 3-star players with a lot of talent go unnoticed all of the time.

 

[OCIrish]

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[OCIrish]

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[BeauBenken]

I'm not saying this is the case with Drue, but lump me in with the few that believe many more 3-star players come out of Florida and become major players than in Indiana. Florida has so much talent that 3-star players with a lot of talent go unnoticed all of the time.

You can certainly make the argument that Florida has more quality players, but based on that, you can't simply say player A from Florida is better than player B from Indiana.

 

[SouthernComfort]

Seriously, no offense, but I think you may be an idiot.

Coming from someone living in the toilet bowl of America, Muncie In?

Seriously, I came from IN. I worked my tail off in school with weights and improvement while 90% of my class did nothing. And we still won conference and went to Sectional Championship with a bunch of talentless and wimpy players.

Ive lived in the south between Louisiana and Alabama now for 16 years. These kids live and die for the sport because they do not have much else. They train year around. Im not talking about that two a day for two weeks thing called two a days. Year around playing and lifting. It is an intensity that I have never seen with youth sports. It starts in the early years where the idiot dads are fighting with each other over a seven year old football league call. Sometimes I cant help but laughing but the other times I am amazed at the effort. That kind of dedication you dont find in IN football. Just ask your buddy Kiel.

 

[SouthernComfort]

You can certainly make the argument that Florida has more quality players, but based on that, you can't simply say player A from Florida is better than player B from Indiana.

And Im not saying for 100% that FL>IN 100% of the time with 100% of the players. Jaylon for example is amazing. But hes a very rare indication of IN talent. There are a TON more talented players in FL/AL/TX/GA/LA than in IN. Just a number thing.

 

[STLDomer]

And Im not saying for 100% that FL>IN 100% of the time with 100% of the players. Jaylon for example is amazing. But hes a very rare indication of IN talent. There are a TON more talented players in FL/AL/TX/GA/LA than in IN. Just a number thing.

Can u name any guys better than Tranquill we have a chance at?

 

[koonja]

And Im not saying for 100% that FL>IN 100% of the time with 100% of the players. Jaylon for example is amazing. But hes a very rare indication of IN talent. There are a TON more talented players in FL/AL/TX/GA/LA than in IN. Just a number thing.

I totally agree with this, but you're also coming off as a dick, lol.

 

[NDPhilly]

Coming from someone living in the toilet bowl of America, Muncie In?

Seriously, I came from IN. I worked my tail off in school with weights and improvement while 90% of my class did nothing. And we still won conference and went to Sectional Championship with a bunch of talentless and wimpy players.

Ive lived in the south between Louisiana and Alabama now for 16 years. These kids live and die for the sport because they do not have much else. They train year around. Im not talking about that two a day for two weeks thing called two a days. Year around playing and lifting. It is an intensity that I have never seen with youth sports. It starts in the early years where the idiot dads are fighting with each other over a seven year old football league call. Sometimes I cant help but laughing but the other times I am amazed at the effort. That kind of dedication you dont find in IN football. Just ask your buddy Kiel.

 

[NDWorld247]

And Im not saying for 100% that FL>IN 100% of the time with 100% of the players. Jaylon for example is amazing. But hes a very rare indication of IN talent. There are a TON more talented players in FL/AL/TX/GA/LA than in IN. Just a number thing.

No one will argue all of the states you mentioned have a higher number of talented players than IN, but, since we're talking about ratings, the services take that into account. Drue is the 7th to 9th best player in IN, but he would be the 60th to 65th best player in FL based on ratings. Do you think we should take the 60th best player in FL over the 7th best player in IN simply because that player is from FL?

 

[greyhammer90]

And Im not saying for 100% that FL>IN 100% of the time with 100% of the players. Jaylon for example is amazing. But hes a very rare indication of IN talent. There are a TON more talented players in FL/AL/TX/GA/LA than in IN. Just a number thing.

But you didn't say that. You said that the coaches shouldn't take Tranquill because 3 star IN < 3 star FL/GA/AL. That's a stupid comment. That's you saying that you know what the program needs more than the guys who spend 50+ hours a week coaching and scouting, see these kids workout in person, and get paid millions of dollars a year.

(Btw as a born-and-raised southerner, your "it's soooooo different down here guys seriously you wouldn't understand it" schtick is getting old.)

 

[dwshade]

But you didn't say that. You said that the coaches shouldn't take Tranquill because 3 star IN < 3 star FL/GA/AL. That's a stupid comment. That's you saying that you know what the program needs more than the guys who spend 50+ hours a week coaching and scouting, see these kids workout in person, and get paid millions of dollars a year.

(Btw as a born-and-raised southerner, your "it's soooooo different down here guys seriously you wouldn't understand it" schtick is getting old.)

Living in Atlanta I totally agree with your last statement.

 

[BeauBenken]

Coming from someone living in the toilet bowl of America, Muncie In?

Seriously, I came from IN. I worked my tail off in school with weights and improvement while 90% of my class did nothing. And we still won conference and went to Sectional Championship with a bunch of talentless and wimpy players.

Ive lived in the south between Louisiana and Alabama now for 16 years. These kids live and die for the sport because they do not have much else. They train year around. Im not talking about that two a day for two weeks thing called two a days. Year around playing and lifting. It is an intensity that I have never seen with youth sports. It starts in the early years where the idiot dads are fighting with each other over a seven year old football league call. Sometimes I cant help but laughing but the other times I am amazed at the effort. That kind of dedication you dont find in IN football. Just ask your buddy Kiel.

You did not just call my city the toilet bowl of America...

 

[STLDomer]

Quote from ISD

Defensive Coordinator Bob Diaco always sets the tone for the defense with his energy and enthusiasm

I'd think seeing Diaco up close at practice would be tough to say no to as a defensive prospect. Loy snapped a photo of Tranquill on the sidelines at practice

 

[SouthernComfort]

You did not just call my city the toilet bowl of America...

I so just did. I had the misfortune of doing my undergrad in that dump

 

[NDinFL]

I so just did. I had the misfortune of doing my undergrad in that dump

You realize the Beau is a mod, right?

 

[OCIrish]

You did not just call my city the toilet bowl of America...

Well, Beau......it IS Muncie, and I do have to admit..... they are raised a little different then in the Fort, however, that being said, I cannot begin to tell you how much Booze I consumed in your town!!!! Thanks for all the great times I had while visiting!!!!!!

 

[jerboski]

Can u name any guys better than Tranquill we have a chance at?

No they cant. It's obvious that the staff has a board and Tranquill is up. It sucks we missed on some of the top MLB's but Tranquill shoudl be welcomed.

 

[IrishLax]

For all you Tranquill haters... go look at Stanford's recruiting. They have 7 starters on D ranked MUCH worse than Tranquill coming out of HS that are great college players and 6/7 are bonafide locks to be NFL draft picks.

Being a good and productive college player has as much to do with development, fit, and the right mental toughness as anything else. If the staff truly believes he can get north of 240 there is no reason at all we shouldn't be THRILLED to have him as a potential WILL/WOLB prospect. At worst, he'd be a good influence, hard worker, and special teams contributor. Maybe that's all he is. But for all we know, he is the next Keuchly.

PS. An 89 rating in its own right is nothing to scoff at... much higher than certain other players we've recruited that are now contributors/budding stars.

 

[koonja]

For all you Tranquill haters... go look at Stanford's recruiting. They have 7 starters on D ranked MUCH worse than Tranquill coming out of HS that are great college players and 6/7 are bonafide locks to be NFL draft picks.

Being a good and productive college player has as much to do with development, fit, and the right mental toughness as anything else. If the staff truly believes he can get north of 240 there is no reason at all we shouldn't be THRILLED to have him as a potential WILL/WOLB prospect. At worst, he'd be a good influence, hard worker, and special teams contributor. Maybe that's all he is. But for all we know, he is the next Keuchly.

PS. An 89 rating in its own right is nothing to scoff at... much higher than certain other players we've recruited that are now contributors/budding stars.

I'm a proponent of Drue's (assuming his measurables are accurate).

But it's not the .89 or 3-star that I'm skeptical of, it's the lack of good offers. He does not have a decent offer besides ours.

 

[FLDomer]

I'm a proponent of Drue's (assuming his measurables are accurate).

But it's not the .89 or 3-star that I'm skeptical of, it's the lack of good offers. He does not have a decent offer besides ours.

Kuechly's best offers were BC and MSU TIFWIW.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm a proponent of Drue's (assuming his measurables are accurate).

But it's not the .89 or 3-star that I'm skeptical of, it's the lack of good offers. He does not have a decent offer besides ours.

Lax's Stanford examples still hold. The Cardinal has been turning kids like Tranquill into NFL caliber athletes for years now. They seem to focus on upside, character and cultural fit above all else. If your staff is good at evaluating upside and developing talent, it's a great way to recruit.

 

[dublinirish]

Kuechly's best offers were BC and MSU TIFWIW.

he had Stanford too

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Here's all I got for the haters at this point..

With Purdues history of forcing commitments and the way the recruit...thats why he committed there. ND offer changes everything. Theres not too much to think about if he gets along with the team.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm a proponent of Drue's (assuming his measurables are accurate).

But it's not the .89 or 3-star that I'm skeptical of, it's the lack of good offers. He does not have a decent offer besides ours.

Getting internal server errors but of the 7 Stanford guys I referred to rated lower than Tranquill, 5 of the 7 had truly atrocious offer sheets... like Heggie level bad. 2 of the 7 had solid regional sheets. The guys are David Parry, Henry Anderson, Ben Gardner, Trent Murphy, A.J. Tarpley, Ed Reynolds, and Jordan Richards if you want to look them up... it won't let me post them

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

It kills me that people on a forum can evaluate a player based on a star rating or offer list. If the coaching staff feels that the kid is capable, then I am certain that they have done all the evaluations that they feel is necessary. These coaches watch film on recruits for hours of the day while we are working, school, or whatever, yet get criticized because a kid who gets an offer has a lower star rating or poor offer list. I'll trust the coaches who took this team to an undefeated season and a national championship game!

There are certainly some kids who are can't miss type 5 star players, but the list of players 3 stars and below that make it to the NFL is far greater.

 

[SouthernComfort]

Okay okay Ill quit with the fussing. Hopefully the guy works out and Im wrong.

No offense meant to anyone

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/JoshHelmholdt">@JoshHelmholdt</a> has some tidbits after talking with <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Purdue&src=hash">#Purdue</a> commit Drue Tranquill about today’s <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> visit ($): <a href="http://t.co/v2uWtarP1j">http://t.co/v2uWtarP1j</a></p>— Jake Brown (@Jake_Brown) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jake_Brown/statuses/368875665220595713">August 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Just talked to 2014 LB/S Drue Tranquill about <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> visit today. Full story coming. Update here. (Premium) <a href="http://t.co/SGUcGjQeWQ">http://t.co/SGUcGjQeWQ</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/368877198607798273">August 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[koonja]

It kills me that people on a forum can evaluate a player based on a star rating or offer list. If the coaching staff feels that the kid is capable, then I am certain that they have done all the evaluations that they feel is necessary. These coaches watch film on recruits for hours of the day while we are working, school, or whatever, yet get criticized because a kid who gets an offer has a lower star rating or poor offer list. I'll trust the coaches who took this team to an undefeated season and a national championship game!

There are certainly some kids who are can't miss type 5 star players, but the list of players 3 stars and below that make it to the NFL is far greater.

So having a personal opinion on the excitement or lack thereof of a recruit joining ND kills you, because the only thing that should ever matter is whether he has received an offer, and we might as well never comment on our opinion of a recruit, how he fits on the team, and our level of need for him, etc, and furthermore, we should want each and every offered recruit the exact same, simply because it's as simple as they either have an offer or they do not?

I'm sorry for pointing you out, and maybe this isn't what you mean, but I really can't stand that argument.