Johnny Football

[Booslum31]

Until someone comes out and says that they paid Johnny money...this is not a story. If true, the JM is dumber than he looks.

 

[drayer54]

True, Why would any rich person want more money?

Well, at least a measly 5 figures over something he knows is wrong when he knows he is being watched by everyone? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

His goose is cooked no matter what.

1. I doubt he is mentally ready to play after this offseason
2. I doubt he is physically ready to play after this offseason
3. Bama knows what he can (or could since he's not gonna be the same) do, and has a week to get ready for it
4. The only use JF had this season for anyone not an Aggie fan was to beat Bama
5. See #3 again

Nice knowing ya Johnny. I would follow his pro career, but don't watch Arena League games...

 

[irishknight35]

This doesn't pass the logic test for me. Why would a rich kid (and I mean rich) sign footballs for $10k or $5k? It just isn't that believable to me. He could of called pops and had 20k wired over right away.

I'm throwing the BS flag.

So your assuming Johnny Manziel is the type of guy who thinks these types of situations out and thinks before he acts or speaks for that matter. He is his own worst PR guy.

 

[BobD]

If he's found to be guilty, he can just appeal three times and get reinstated for unspecified circumstances under the Vanderclause.

 

[drayer54]

So your assuming Johnny Manziel is the type of guy who thinks these types of situations out and thinks before he acts or speaks for that matter. He is his own worst PR guy.

Sure, he is a dumb punk kid. No argument.

Money isn't the same allure to everyone. Some of us have lived life with not much in the bank account and other days with so much more. I've seen rich kids who don't care about money because they don't have to think about it. There is a difference between oil rich and the kids growing up in normal or modest homes. No way this happened.

Johnny has a rockstar life and knows that he is under the microscope. People who spend money like him and I've been around plenty... wouldn't understand why someone would do this. No way.

 

[Bishop2b5]

your job as a parent is to model appropriate behavior, teach your kids right from wrong, instill morals etc etc....and what that jackass did from the article suggests that johnny is just replicating daddy


yes responsibility falls on johnny but he certainly didn't sound like he had help along the way to correct things...dad was only enabling the behavior

Absolutely. Your job isn't to make your kids happy. It's to keep them safe and teach them how to be good adults. JM's dad comes across as a self-centered, spoiled punk and has done nothing but help JM become one too.

 

[irishknight35]

Sure, he is a dumb punk kid. No argument.

Money isn't the same allure to everyone. Some of us have lived life with not much in the bank account and other days with so much more. I've seen rich kids who don't care about money because they don't have to think about it. There is a difference between oil rich and the kids growing up in normal or modest homes. No way this happened.

Johnny has a rockstar life and knows that he is under the microscope. People who spend money like him and I've been around plenty... wouldn't understand why someone would do this. No way.

I hear ya, and you would think that the way he grew up he would be more conscience of how he acts with his money. Either he has ignored all logic to keep a low profile and be humble for what he has or his parents have endorsed his arrogant "my parents money let do and say whatever I want" behavior. The evidence thus far points to the latter.

I certainly don't think the microscope he is under is necessarily fair but he continues to draw that microscope on himself instead of being a "boring" news story that doesn't warrant constant attention.

 

[Corry]

Am I the only one who's starting to feel bad for this kid?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

pOSU fans are already whining about this on ESPN comments because people are supporting JF.

*Something about their former coach openly LYING about information that he knew continues to elude them.

 

[Oberon]

Am I the only one who's starting to feel bad for this kid?

Yep

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Anyone know a good A&M board? I want to lurk

 

[johnnycando]

Am I the only one who's starting to feel bad for this kid?

Yeah.

 

[drayer54]

I hear ya, and you would think that the way he grew up he would be more conscience of how he acts with his money. Either he has ignored all logic to keep a low profile and be humble for what he has or his parents have endorsed his arrogant "my parents money let do and say whatever I want" behavior. The evidence thus far points to the latter.

I certainly don't think the microscope he is under is necessarily fair but he continues to draw that microscope on himself instead of being a "boring" news story that doesn't warrant constant attention.

I didn't like the flashy crap either. The one thing that I did come around to seeing in the recent OTL article was when his father said that he bought him the car so he wouldn't do anything stupid to get one on his own.... I can respect that more than my previous perception of what was going on.

I think some of the JF hate is rich kid hate, I really do. It's pegging someone that is easy to target. He brings some of it on himself, well a bunch of it really. Without twitter and getting shi,tfaced, he wouldn't be in so deep. The car doesn't help.

I just don't see him taking small amounts of money for sigs. Defies the logic test.

 

[drayer54]

Anyone know a good A&M board? I want to lurk

TexAgs

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Well A&M fans are certainly optimistic about the season:

"What if the NCAA investigation concludes after the 2013 season and after A&M wins the NC..I assume if found guilty, then A&M could be stripped of the title. Is that correct and if so, then Sumlin should be questioning JFF very hard to determine if this happened or not."

 

[NDWorld247]

TexAgs

Some gems from TexAgs below.

I'm not naive to believe we don't pay athletes but that's not the same as JFF allegedly getting paid for his sig

In one year we turned from a respectable school with good minded kids, to the Ohio State of the south

let's just hope the investigation is complete AFTER the Bama game.

What we should be worried about is what else they'll uncover during the investigation when they start pulling up his paper trail.

This kind of **** will happen when you let "Uncle Nate" help you run your life.

 

[philipm31]

I believe Johnny Manziel is beyond his years when it comes to painting a positive picture of himself during media interviews. In a similar way to Reggie Bush, JM is a much different person when the cameras and tape recorders are pointed in his face vs. away from the spotlight.

I am going to stop short of calling him a d-bag, but I will share this story to give you an idea of his personality vs. an elite NFL quarterback prospect.

During Heisman weekend, the winner stays in NYC until Tuesday morning. There is a private dinner on Sunday night and a big black-tie gala on Monday evening to officially award the winner his trophy. After the black-tie dinner, there is a private after party for the winner and all of the past winners in the hotel.

In 2011, when RG3 won the trophy, he skipped the after party and instead worked out in the hotel gym from midnight - 1am and then went to bed. Everyone spent the night talking about what an awesome, polite, classy young man RG3 is.

In 2012, when JM won the trophy, he skipped the after party and instead asked his parents to deliver as much free alcohol as they could get their hands on to his suite where he hosted his own after party with friends. When asked why JM wasn't coming to the after party his parents said, and I quote, "Johnny wants to get shitfaced and doesn't want anyone snapping pictures of him". Everyone spent the night talking about what a d-bag and pain in the *** he and his family were the entire weekend.

Now, I am not chastising JM for underage drinking. We have all been there. But I have seen college athletes get swallowed by the instant fame the game sometime brings and quickly forget what got them there, and believe wholeheartedly JM is heading down that path.

If you read the Grantland article now it makes you wonder how much of it was totally contrived by his parents/handlers to make people "understand" the "plight" of being "Johnny Football". Not that I expect ESPN/Grantland to do their homework all that well, but honestly, you nailed it right on the head. The Grantland article does intimate that his parents now feel the same way though, which is interesting. Apparently they never were that worried if they claimed that they felt bad about bringing things for Johnny to autograph but now he is being investigated for making money off of those same autographs.

SMH.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Kid should go bowling with Terrell Owens for a night

 

[philipm31]

Kid should go bowling with Terrell Owens for a night

You mean Andrew Bynum isn't available?

 

[Irish Insanity]

This doesn't pass the logic test for me. Why would a rich kid (and I mean rich) sign footballs for $10k or $5k? It just isn't that believable to me. He could of called pops and had 20k wired over right away.

I'm throwing the BS flag.

Not that the next statement is my belief, but what if since his family has come out and said the think things are affecting him negatively and such and that if things blow up its gonna be really really bad, maybe he's been or was 'cut off.' And no matter how rich, I can imagine someone willing to pay for your signature, has to make someone feel 'special.'

Until someone comes out and says that they paid Johnny money...this is not a story. If true, the JM is dumber than he looks.

Thats just it, if he denies it and the payer is not willing to cooperate, there is no crime. The NCAA doesn't have subpoena power.

Am I the only one who's starting to feel bad for this kid?

I did, now I don't

 

[notredomer23]

Johnny Dumbass

 

[philipm31]

Yeah.

THIS.

 

[Grahambo]

I get that he broke a rule but it's a stupid rule. Kid should be able to profit off his own name.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I get that he broke a rule but it's a stupid rule. Kid should be able to profit off his own name.

And didn't he already start the patent process like last year for Johnny Football

 

[NDohio]

I feel badly that JFF has been raised by parents that don't get it. But at some point, he has to take responsibility for his actions. That point has passed.

 

[kmoose]

I get that he broke a rule but it's a stupid rule. Kid should be able to profit off his own name.

It's not a stupid rule. It's a rule that keeps rich Universities, or Universities with rich donors, from getting into bidding wars for kids. "Come to State U, son. Private U's donors only pay kids $5,000 for autographs. Our boosters will pay you $20,000."

 

[NDinL.A.]

Some gems from TexAgs below.

Those were some pretty decent quotes from people. Pretty straight up, pretty honest. I know I've felt the same way about an ND player getting busted ("Please don't let him be suspended for Michigan"). At least most of those folks seem real, esp compared to OSU clowns.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I didn't like the flashy crap either. The one thing that I did come around to seeing in the recent OTL article was when his father said that he bought him the car so he wouldn't do anything stupid to get one on his own.... I can respect that more than my previous perception of what was going on.

I think some of the JF hate is rich kid hate, I really do. It's pegging someone that is easy to target. He brings some of it on himself, well a bunch of it really. Without twitter and getting shi,tfaced, he wouldn't be in so deep. The car doesn't help.

I just don't see him taking small amounts of money for sigs. Defies the logic test.

What about Johnny Dumbass has been logical this off-season? How many times does he have to get reprimanded by people for putting his business out there? How many times does he have to get reprimanded for acting a fool on twitter? Who in their right minds would offend football royalty...after being warned about it...forcing them to embarrassingly kick you out of their camp?

Sure, this story doesn't make sense, but nothing has made sense with this kid in quite some time. He has proven time and time again that he just doesn't use his noggin very much...

 

[Grahambo]

It's not a stupid rule. It's a rule that keeps rich Universities, or Universities with rich donors, from getting into bidding wars for kids. "Come to State U, son. Private U's donors only pay kids $5,000 for autographs. Our boosters will pay you $20,000."

Except State U and Private U can make millions of his likeness and not give him a dime. Sorry but we'll just agree to disagree. He's doing all the work to get to where he is; he deserves a piece of the pie.