'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[Whiskeyjack]

I support the school first the legacy the history and the brand...Again I am saying why would the young man come back and face the kind of under the micro-scope stuff he would have to deal with.

Just speculating, but maybe because:

1. he loves ND;
2. he doesn't have access to a comparable quality of education anywhere else; and/or
3. he doesn't have access to the same quality of coaching and media exposure at any other program.

Thats not the kind of life anybody let alone a kid would have to deal with. Let the kid get a fresh start somewhere else and re-make his life there.

I don't believe anyone is forcing Golson to come back to ND. In fact, he's likely choosing a more challenging path in trying to gain re-admittance. Assuming that's the path he's on, he deserves our respect and support for doing so, instead of opting for the easy way out.

 

[STLDomer]

I support the school first the legacy the history and the brand...Again I am saying why would the young man come back and face the kind of under the micro-scope stuff he would have to deal with. Thats not the kind of life anybody let alone a kid would have to deal with. Let the kid get a fresh start somewhere else and re-make his life there. Thats all I am saying. AS for the Zaire kid I wish him well and believe that he will shock everyone on how he will handle himself this year at the helm.

Malik isn't starting this year.

 

[NDPhilly]

"This Zaire kid" haha like you don't know him.

 

[NDdomer2]

when i read those posts i hear a parent who thinks there kid should have made a team they got cut from.

if you truly supported the school you would know the school is only as great as it's parts.

those parts are young men and women who choose to take on a great challenge and never should someone be told to move on.

i highly doubt you would tell malik to "give up, take the easy road to get a fresh start" why would you want that for some other kid who has the same goals as one you clearly care about deeply.

 

[Rhode Irish]

So I didn't click on this thread once it said "Auburn Verbal" in the title. I was thinking, "why would I care about some QB that committed to Auburn?"

This is definitely not what I expected to find.

 

[dublinirish]

"This Zaire kid" haha like you don't know him.

lol i almost spit out my cornflakes when i read this ahaha brilliant!

 

[GreenSox04]

So I didn't click on this thread once it said "Auburn Verbal" in the title. I was thinking, "why would I care about some QB that committed to Auburn?"

This is definitely not what I expected to find.

dont derail the kid Zaire thread!

 

[dublinirish]

Do you think that White kid beats out the Zaire kid for starting qb now that it has been determined that EG should quit?

what has race got to do with this???

This thread is amazing btw, loving all these guest posters we get on IE. JojoBlack has to be in the running come award season

 

[adsnorri]

Can someone please tweet Malik and let him know what is going on here...Maybe he can stop all this and get the thread back on topic....Sean White.

 

[jojoblack]

Ok I think some folks are just losing site of what is being said..Lets focus on the kids who are here to help the team win. If EG comes back he comes back but I think he will have a heck of a time trying to get back on top cause he will have a couple of really hungry kids fighting to get that spot and one in particially who may not be willing to make it easy for him.

 

[arrowryan]

Ok I think some folks are just losing site of what is being said..Lets focus on the kids who are here to help the team win. If EG comes back he comes back but I think he will have a heck of a time trying to get back on top cause he will have a couple of really hungry kids fighting to get that spot and one in particially who may not be willing to make it easy for him.

Everett will probably be the hungriest out of all of them

 

[NDWorld247]

Ok I think some folks are just losing site of what is being said..Lets focus on the kids who are here to help the team win. If EG comes back he comes back but I think he will have a heck of a time trying to get back on top cause he will have a couple of really hungry kids fighting to get that spot and one in particially who may not be willing to make it easy for him.

Good. I'd like to think no one on the roster is willingly giving up their spot without making it difficult for those in their position group. Competition across the board is what's best for the team and one could probably argue Everett's anointment as the starter this spring led to him losing some focus.

 

[adsnorri]

JOJO- Please don't misperceive this conversation as if we don't absolutely love Malik and all that he brings to the table- We do. However, we have seen EG and he just led us to the 1st National championship game in 25 years. We expect him to increase his abilities and his academic judgement/standing. All signs are pointing to him being able to join the team/University next year, so we perceive him as still a part of the family even if he is the family member that just made a stupid mistake. We expect him to learn the lesson and move on. With that being said, if Malik beats out EG in the spring or fall...I don't think there is going to be one person on this site complaining that EG deserves the job. It's just a big "what if" at this point because Malik has never taken a college snap yet and EG has just led us to the big game...big difference. That's why your stance is being met with much resilience. The way things currently stand, Malik will not be playing this year at all, however we would love it if he absolutely tore it up and was named the starter because he is that good. Quarterback of Notre Dame is the hardest position to learn of any position on any team...even harder than being the head coach at many colleges just because of the pressure, imo.

We welcome family members of players with open arms. If you let us know who you are, it would probably make your life a little easier. May even be able to connect with some of the other parent posters on the site...

 

[Luckylucci]

JOJO- Please don't misperceive this conversation as if we don't absolutely love Malik and all that he brings to the table- We do. However, we have seen EG and he just led us to the 1st National championship game in 25 years. We expect him to increase his abilities and his academic judgement/standing. All signs are pointing to him being able to join the team/University next year, so we perceive him as still a part of the family even if he is the family member that just made a stupid mistake. We expect him to learn the lesson and move on. With that being said, if Malik beats out EG in the spring or fall...I don't think there is going to be one person on this site complaining that EG deserves the job. It's just a big "what if" at this point because Malik has never taken a college snap yet and EG has just led us to the big game...big difference. That's why your stance is being met with much resilience. The way things currently stand, Malik will not be playing this year at all, however we would love it if he absolutely tore it up and was named the starter because he is that good. Quarterback of Notre Dame is the hardest position to learn of any position on any team...even harder than being the head coach at many colleges just because of the pressure, imo.

We welcome family members of players with open arms. If you let us know who you are, it would probably make your life a little easier. May even be able to connect with some of the other parent posters on the site...

Well said!

 

[Luckylucci]

Ok I think some folks are just losing site of what is being said..Lets focus on the kids who are here to help the team win. If EG comes back he comes back but I think he will have a heck of a time trying to get back on top cause he will have a couple of really hungry kids fighting to get that spot and one in particially who may not be willing to make it easy for him.

I for one haven't lost track of anything that was said and not sure many did. I just think that you may have realized what you said and are trying to backpedal. The post that started a lot of this off was you saying the team doesn't want EG back and the coaches don't want EG back. I think that was an opinion you tried to portray as fact as wasn't in very good taste. I wish Malik all the success in the world as he seems like a phenomenal kid and athlete. However, let's not put other kids down to get that point across.

 

[Cackalacky]

I love Golson for the reasons stated above by others and hope he makes it back. I also absolutely am psyched to see what Malik can do.

 

[NDdomer2]

I for one haven't lost track of anything that was said and not sure many did. I just think that you may have realized what you said and are trying to backpedal. The post that started a lot of this off was you saying the team doesn't want EG back and the coaches don't want EG back. I think that was an opinion you tried to portray as fact as wasn't in very good taste. I wish Malik all the success in the world as he seems like a phenomenal kid and athlete. However, let's not put other kids down to get that point across.

This. I have agreed with some points jojo has made but some where uncalled for imo and that is where the disagreements came from.

 

[Emcee77]

I love Golson for the reasons stated above by others and hope he makes it back. I also absolutely am psyched to see what Malik can do.

This. Not sure why we're arguing. Def want Golson to come back; def want Malik to ball out and push him when he does. If Malik takes the job from Golson, that's fantastic. As an ND fan I want the best guy to play, and I want quality depth in case of injuries/transfers. Even if Malik becomes a better player than Golson after only one season, I certainly still want Golson back. A backup who has taken his team to an NCG is REAL quality depth.

And just btw, I think that would work out ok. Kelly may be a starting a revolution in managing QBs. Ever since I've started following football, the conventional wisdom is that you have to coddle QBs, the team needs to know who the #1 QB is, "if you have 2 QBs you have none", etc. Kelly turns that conventional wisdom on its head; his "next man in" philosophy applies to everyone, QBs included. When a QB struggles, he gets the hook. When his replacement struggles, he gets the hook. Kelly doesn't coddle anyone. You produce or you sit. Personally I find it refreshing.

 

[irishpat183]

It doesnt matter who I am I am just saying that Why would this young man come back to ND he shamed himself and let the team down. Do you really think the team would except him back? Do you honestly think the coaches will except him back? Listen folks this as you know is the big time and when you let the team down because of selfeshness then you have lost.
I believe the Zaire kid will make a hard run for the gold and work hard as heck to be part of history at Notre Dame.
Nothing against EG really! I just believe he could shine somewhere else where he could have a fresh start..No harm no foul..

Malik, is that you??

 

[alohagoirish]

Golson will be back in January---90%---

Malik is clearly the better runner, he runs like a RB, love that straight arm!

E.G. is clearly the better passer.

Golson took us to the title game--Kelly simply loves his game--it will be Everett's team again next spring--

Expect coach to do everything possible to preserve Zaire's redshirt year.

Its NOT complicated---Golson will be the #1 QB in spring---he will have 2 years left---Malik will back him up with 4 years of eligibility---Kizer will have 5 years and likely will need two just to bulk up and learn the offense---

 

[ShawneeIrish]

None of us know how well Malik will develop by the time Golson comes back. Is it possible he passes Golson, definitely, is it likely probably not. I really like what Malik brings to the table both on and off the field and look forward to seeing him lead the Irish at some point in the future. I also very much hope Golson is able to return to ND and succeed both on and especially off the field and in the classroom. If Malik passes Golson that is fine by me, if he does not that is fine too. I just want both of them to be part of the Irish and to be successful in football and more importantly life.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with a supposed relative of one team member undermining another team member (or at least member of the football family) in a public venue like this? Makes me uneasy. I know jojoblack doesn't speak for Malik (at least I hope not), it doesn't seem to be in the best interest of team harmony.

 

[woolybug25]

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with a supposed relative of one team member undermining another team member (or at least member of the football family) in a public venue like this? Makes me uneasy. I know jojoblack doesn't speak for Malik (at least I hope not), it doesn't seem to be in the best interest of team harmony.

Agreed. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are rooting for all of our players to meet their upmost potential. I'm assuming that the guys on the team feel the same way. I don't know if jojo is really related to Malik, but if so, I would urge him to knock it off. Golson will always be part of the ND family, regardless of whether he suits up for the Irish again. I believe that the players on the team that fought alongside him all season feel the same way. He shouldn't be speaking for Malik, who we also are all rooting for, but hasn't gone to battle alongside his teammates yet.

 

[NDdomer2]

related or not he has a personal rooting interest in Malik.

 

[pumpdog20]

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with a supposed relative of one team member undermining another team member (or at least member of the football family) in a public venue like this? Makes me uneasy. I know jojoblack doesn't speak for Malik (at least I hope not), it doesn't seem to be in the best interest of team harmony.

News flash: he hasn't been undermining any of Malik's teammates. The individual in question isn't even at the school, let alone on the team.

Sure, we're all rooting for EG to come back and play well, but he sure let this team down regardless if his friends really like him.

 

[Rhode Irish]

News flash: he hasn't been undermining any of Malik's teammates. The individual in question isn't even at the school, let alone on the team.

Sure, we're all rooting for EG to come back and play well, but he sure let this team down regardless if his friends really like him.

That is why I added the bit about a member of the football family. He is that, right? You aren't out of the family because you got sent to your room.

 

[woolybug25]

News flash: he hasn't been undermining any of Malik's teammates. The individual in question isn't even at the school, let alone on the team.

Sure, we're all rooting for EG to come back and play well, but he sure let this team down regardless if his friends really like him.

What? Last time I checked, Golson is friends and played with those teammates of Ziare, So how does Golson's status with the team change that? Golson might have made a mistake, but you must have never played a competitive sport before if you think the returning starters of this team don't still consider Golson a teammate. They fought alongside Golson for two years. They aren't going to simply throw their loyalty away because Everett got caught cheating on a test, and they certainly aren't going to take kindly to a true freshman bad mouthing him. I don't believe that Malik would ever think of doing something like that either, that's why some of us are uneasy with jojo (whoever he is) speaking those types of words as a proxy. None of feel that Malik is anything but a gentleman, a competitor and a Notre Dame man. So we would also not like an anomonomous poster speaking on his behalf any differently.

 

[Pachuco]

The best player will ascend to the starting spot this year, next year, and every other year as long as the current coaching trend continues. The system in place is risk and reward based on merit, and every player runs the gauntlet at ND. It also makes for a competitive and prepared team on many levels. Golson possibly returning next year is an added strength, even if Malik rightfully earns the starting spot. If it works out that he does return, you have a person who made a bad mistake, faced the consequences, and then worked hard toward redemption. That is a person you want on your team, in your office, in your family, in your circle.

 

[pkt77242]

The best player will ascend to the starting spot this year, next year, and every other year as long as the current coaching trend continues. The system in place is risk and reward based on merit, and every player runs the gauntlet at ND. It also makes for a competitive and prepared team on many levels. Golson possibly returning next year is an added strength, even if Malik rightfully earns the starting spot. If it works out that he does return, you have a person who made a bad mistake, faced the consequences, and then worked hard toward redemption. That is a person you want on your team, in your office, in your family, in your circle.

So Golson next year could be the Rees of last year.

 

[jojoblack]

No, you're right, it doesn't matter who you are. Golson QB'd a team that played for a national championship. His teammates support him and his coaches support him just as they would any other good teammate. ND fans support him. He'll be welcomed back with open arms and I have a hard time believing he wouldn't start. If he does get beat out so be it. We get that you have connections to Malik, probably very close in fact. I would hope you would support his teammate and not root against him for your personal interests.

I support the team and who is on the team I dont make it personal only I want the best kids to play and help this team win a national championship. Thats it and thats all. Do you agree?
Lastly, dont be so sure that fans will welcome him back with open arms especially if this team is doing well without him. JS