'10 OH QB Andrew Hendrix (Notre Dame Signee)

[irishfan]

I think this is getting out of hand between you two (shocking) and I hope you take this to PM rather than clog Andrew Hendrix's thread

Ya, but we can't see who wins the argument if they start PMing each other......

 

[Andy in Sactown]

 

[GBdomer]

You would probably have to be out of your mind to leave here, in all honesty. I love it here. It never really crossed my mind at all because I love this place a lot."
-- Andrew Hendrix on transferring from ND

 

[eNDzone]

Total class act that will be seeing real playing time this year.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Huge. Allows us to maintain ideal QB depth (4/4) through 2014, and gives us some veteran leadership on the sidelines and in the film room.

That said, I doubt the staff wants to bring back more than 5 5Ys. Hendrix will be a higher priority than Lo Wood or Alex Welch, so this is bad news for one of them.

 

[connor_in]

Huge. Allows us to maintain ideal QB depth (4/4) through 2014, and gives us some veteran leadership on the sidelines and in the film room.

That said, I doubt the staff wants to bring back from than 5 5Ys. Hendrix will be a higher priority than Lo Wood or Alex Welch, so this is bad news for one of them.

Whiskey...your response to :

You would probably have to be out of your mind to leave here, in all honesty. I love it here. It never really crossed my mind at all because I love this place a lot."
-- Andrew Hendrix on transferring from ND

I think you are taking this the wrong way maybe. This was a quote from Hendrix on would he transfer out of ND to seek playing time...referring to coming back this year. I don't think this has anything to do with whether he will come back for 2014

The article the quote comes from is:
Notre Dame football: Offense not a mystery to Hendrix - South Bend Tribune: Football

 

[anarin]

I was gonna say, its not transferring if he graduated

 

[BobD]

Whiskey...your response to :



I think you are taking this the wrong way maybe. This was a quote from Hendrix on would he transfer out of ND to seek playing time...referring to coming back this year. I don't think this has anything to do with whether he will come back for 2014

???

Did you read what Hendrix said??

 

[connor_in]

???

Did you read what Hendrix said??

yes...

Once Golson emerged as a dynamic playmaker and starting quarterback from a three-man derby to start last season, Hendrix was relegated to “red-hat” duty, signaling in the plays with the rest of the unused QBs.

“I think I could have run the offense last year,” Hendrix said. “I’m trying to perfect it now.”

Why didn’t the frustration level boil over? Why didn’t he pack his bags and bail out of this quarterback quagmire, following Gunner Kiel’s lead?

“You would have to be out of your mind to leave here,” Hendrix said with a smile. “At all times, you’re just a number of plays away from being the guy on the field. If you have confidence in yourself, it’s not hard to stay here.“The school is unbelievable. The people are unbelievable. This organization is great. (Transferring) was really never an option in my mind.”

What a refreshing approach to a very difficult situation. He could have moped. He could have been a cancer on the team. He could have been a guy who destroyed more chemistry than he studied.

He pretty much seems to be referring to leaving this year like Kiel. I don't see any kind of reference anywhere to 2014.

PS: Not trying to start a fight...just my interpretation of the answer and the question it was in response to...


...what say you rest of class?

 

[Emcee77]

Huge. Allows us to maintain ideal QB depth (4/4) through 2014, and gives us some veteran leadership on the sidelines and in the film room.

Yep. I've been really worried about 2014 QB depth and gotten all excited about transfer possibilities like Wes Lunt and Connor Brewer, and I was disappointed when they went elsewhere. Hendrix coming back makes it all irrelevant.

EDIT: well now that I've seen the full quote maybe I should still be worried ... I could swear that I've read elsewhere recently (like in the last couple days) that Hendrix said the plan is to come back in 2014 if he's invited back, but now I can't find it. Could be what I read has been retracted because the writer realized he made the same mistake we did in taking Hendrix's quote out of context.

That said, I doubt the staff wants to bring back from than 5 5Ys. Hendrix will be a higher priority than Lo Wood or Alex Welch, so this is bad news for one of them.

That's really interesting. Assuming one or the other has to get the axe, I wonder who it will be. Obviously it will depend on how this year goes, but the latest news is that a) Keivarae and Lo will likely share time (although Keivarae is definitely the starter) and b) Koyack is distancing himself from Welch as the number 2 TE. My hunch is that Lo will play more significant minutes than Welch this year, so he'll be the one to come back, but we'll have to see how it plays out. We always end up taking more 5Ys than I think we will.

 

[STLDomer]

Yeah that quote is old and just means he isn't gonna transfer but this one is from a couple days ago and was discussed in the Fall Camp Thread

“@ChiTribHamilton: Small note: #NotreDame QB Andrew Hendrix said plan would be to return for fifth year, assuming he's invited back, etc., etc.”

I would be suprised if Welch is back. He may be more talented than some other 5Ys but there's so much depth at TE. If we land Luatua we will have 6 TEs on scholarship not counting Welch, 2 returning above Welch on the depth chart

 

[Emcee77]

Ah that's it! Nice work Slu. I knew I'd read that somewhere recently.

But now I'm wondering whether Hamilton didn't take that same quote out of context, just like we did ...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's really interesting. Assuming one or the other has to get the axe, I wonder who it will be. Obviously it will depend on how this year goes, but the latest news is that a) Keivarae and Lo will likely share time (although Keivarae is definitely the starter) and b) Koyack is distancing himself from Welch as the number 2 TE. My hunch is that Lo will play more significant minutes than Welch this year, so he'll be the one to come back, but we'll have to see how it plays out. We always end up taking more 5Ys than I think we will.

Where did you read that? Last I heard, Lo was dropping like a rock on the depth chart. Just passed by Luke for the #3 CB spot, and likely passed by Butler before the season's over, too. In that case, I'd assume Lo gets dropped before Alex.

But carrying 7 TEs is still just... inconceivable. Maybe this is the first year we don't bring back a bunch of marginal 5Ys? Pretty please?

 

[BobD]

I think when all of Hendrixs eligibility is gone, ND might have to help him pack. IMHO.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah that quote is old and just means he isn't gonna transfer but this one is from a couple days ago and was discussed in the Fall Camp Thread

“@ChiTribHamilton: Small note: #NotreDame QB Andrew Hendrix said plan would be to return for fifth year, assuming he's invited back, etc., etc.”

I would be suprised if Welch is back. He may be more talented than some other 5Ys but there's so much depth at TE. If we land Luatua we will have 6 TEs on scholarship not counting Welch, 2 returning above Welch on the depth chart

I wouldn't at all (barring another injury this year). First and foremost, we always tend to mess up the numbers game because we don't aim to oversign, and have more scholarship available for 5Y players than we would expect/intend.

Second, he's a really good player... just injured every single year. Have those injuries taken a toll on his ability? I'm not sure. He was, at one point, slotted over Eifert before his first injury. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was the best blocking TE on our roster right now as Niklas continues to hone his technique.

IF we land Luatua AND don't have last-second defections AND are conservative with numbers... I think it would take all 3 for Welch not to get a 5th year. At worst, he'd be able to help mentor the younger guys.

 

[STLDomer]

I wouldn't at all (barring another injury this year). First and foremost, we always tend to mess up the numbers game because we don't aim to oversign, and have more scholarship available for 5Y players than we would expect/intend.

Second, he's a really good player... just injured every single year. Have those injuries taken a toll on his ability? I'm not sure. He was, at one point, slotted over Eifert before his first injury. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was the best blocking TE on our roster right now as Niklas continues to hone his technique.

IF we land Luatua AND don't have last-second defections AND are conservative with numbers... I think it would take all 3 for Welch not to get a 5th year. At worst, he'd be able to help mentor the younger guys.

My not expecting Welch back was assuming we are at a numbers crunch to meet the 85 which in hindsight doesn't usually happen. But let's assume it becomes a numbers crunch w/ the 5Ys can u really bring back a guy that's #3 at his position with multiple guys below him ready to play too? Also I read that both in the passing and blocking game Koyack and Niklas were looking better. If we've got a bunch of extra room like this year then sure Welch will come back but if it becomes a decision on which 5Ys to bring back I wouldn't expect Welch back.

In short, he's 6th (Collinsworth, Wood, Hendrix, Moore, Lombard) on the list of guys I would bring back.

 

[irishog77]

I wouldn't at all (barring another injury this year). First and foremost, we always tend to mess up the numbers game because we don't aim to oversign, and have more scholarship available for 5Y players than we would expect/intend.

Second, he's a really good player... just injured every single year. Have those injuries taken a toll on his ability? I'm not sure. He was, at one point, slotted over Eifert before his first injury. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was the best blocking TE on our roster right now as Niklas continues to hone his technique.

IF we land Luatua AND don't have last-second defections AND are conservative with numbers... I think it would take all 3 for Welch not to get a 5th year. At worst, he'd be able to help mentor the younger guys.

And not to mention MH and DS don't really even to seem to be in the conversation at all so far. Kelly may not be ready or willing to turn over the 3rd spot to them or true freshmen next season either.

 

[Emcee77]

Where did you read that? Last I heard, Lo was dropping like a rock on the depth chart. Just passed by Luke for the #3 CB spot, and likely passed by Butler before the season's over, too. In that case, I'd assume Lo gets dropped before Alex.

But carrying 7 TEs is still just... inconceivable. Maybe this is the first year we don't bring back a bunch of marginal 5Ys? Pretty please?

In a video on 247 Keivarae talked about the possibility of a rotation with Lo. Are you referring to the ISD report that Cole Luke worked as the first nickelback this weekend? I guess I didn't think that that means Lo isn't still the number 2 field corner; I think of nickel as a different position. Maybe that's wrong?

7 TEs ... meaning the 5 we have now plus Weishar and Luatua? Yeah, that seems like a lot ... unless the staff really wants to commit to a lot of two-tight-end stuff. Like predominantly two-tight-end stuff.

 

[STLDomer]

The way I've interpreted the CB situation is Wood is #3 above Luke but in the Nickel Luke is above Wood. So if someone were to get hurt Wood becomes the starter.

 

[Emcee77]

The way I've interpreted the CB situation is Wood is #3 above Luke but in the Nickel Luke is above Wood. So if someone were to get hurt Wood becomes the starter.

Right, that was what I thought too.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

In a video on 247 Keivarae talked about the possibility of a rotation with Lo. Are you referring to the ISD report that Cole Luke worked as the first nickelback this weekend? I guess I didn't think that that means Lo isn't still the number 2 field corner; I think of nickel as a different position. Maybe that's wrong?

That's a good point. I assumed that since Luke passed Wood at the NB, he had probably passed Wood at CB generally. Is it even conceivable that there's enough difference between CB and NB that they could have significantly different depth charts? I've always thought that our #1 NB was simply the better of our #3 CB and #3 S. In recent years, that's almost always been a Safety, but now that we have solid CB depth, that might not be the case going forward.

7 TEs ... meaning the 5 we have now plus Weishar and Luatua? Yeah, that seems like a lot ... unless the staff really wants to commit to a lot of two-tight-end stuff. Like predominantly two-tight-end stuff.

Exactly. If the staff decides to emulate Stanford and base out of 12 personnel, I could see it. But they seem to be trending towards a Clemson-esque "power spread", so I wouldn't count on it.

But, as Lax pointed out, that's only the case in fantasy land, where ND has to make hard choices the stay under the scholarship limit. Here in reality, Welch will return if he wants to simply because we always have extra scholarships to give.

 

[irishog77]

The way I've interpreted the CB situation is Wood is #3 above Luke but in the Nickel Luke is above Wood. So if someone were to get hurt Wood becomes the starter.

That's a good point. I assumed that since Luke passed Wood at the NB, he had probably passed Wood at CB generally. Is it even conceivable that there's enough difference between CB and NB that they could have significantly different depth charts? I've always thought that our #1 NB was simply the better of our #3 CB and #3 S. In recent years, that's almost always been a Safety, but now that we have solid CB depth, that might not be the case going forward.

Could be the staff sees them as both pretty good and a way to get both of them reps and action, instead of just 1 of them getting reps and action. Could be a way to help simplify things for Luke too-- "Cole, when you're in there, you only need to focus on ___ and worry about ___, don't worry about all the nuances of the CB position right now."

I don't know, I'm just speculating.

 

[Emcee77]

During his media session last night, Kelly was asked how he would respond to someone who might suggest that he should have played Malik a little bit this year to get him some experience in case Everett goes down next year.

Kelly's response:

I'm not being cute, but that's assuming that Everett's the starter, right?

We think that there is going to be very good competition for that position with him. Certainly those two young men [Everett and Malik], and then we have to sit down with Andrew and find out where we're gonna go there. We have to have a conversation with Andrew and then find out where we move from there.

But those two guys, and then Andrew, that's what we're talking about right now for the three quarterbacks.

It sounds like Hendrix definitely has a fifth year offer if he wants it, and will even get a chance to start. Just thought that was worth highlighting as we reach the time of year where we start wondering how many 5Ys will come back and how many spots are available to frosh.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think Hendrix would need to step up in a big way, and Everett will have to be pretty rusty or take a step back before Andrew would be able to take over the starting position. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew didn't end up as #3 by the start of the season, I could easily see Zaire passing him up. I'm not sure what his mentality about football is at this point, but he could conceivably go the Crist route and transfer to a school with a great Med program and play his final year, starting right away as a grad student. That would put Kizer as the Redshirt #3 I guess, right? We'd be slightly thin at the position, but lots of talent and potential waiting in the wings.

 

[ND-North]

I think Hendrix would need to step up in a big way, and Everett will have to be pretty rusty or take a step back before Andrew would be able to take over the starting position. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew didn't end up as #3 by the start of the season, I could easily see Zaire passing him up. I'm not sure what his mentality about football is at this point, but he could conceivably go the Crist route and transfer to a school with a great Med program and play his final year, starting right away as a grad student. That would put Kizer as the Redshirt #3 I guess, right? We'd be slightly thin at the position, but lots of talent and potential waiting in the wings.

As a medical student I can confidently say there is no way he would be able to juggle a medical school curriculum and play college ball at the same time. I would bet he accepts the fifth year and then goes the medical school route the following year

 

[Emcee77]

As a medical student I can confidently say there is no way he would be able to juggle a medical school curriculum and play college ball at the same time. I would bet he accepts the fifth year and then goes the medical school route the following year

No doubt. He could go to a school with a one-year anatomy or physiology program or something like that though. I think he'll stay at ND though.

 

[irishog77]

If I were Andrew, I wouldn't come back. Kelly can talk it up all he wants, but we all know he ain't starting...and he very likely won't even be back-up. Sure, Kelly could design a package for him, but EG and MZ will be the best 2 QB's on the roster next year.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

If I were Andrew, I wouldn't come back. Kelly can talk it up all he wants, but we all know he ain't starting...and he very likely won't even be back-up. Sure, Kelly could design a package for him, but EG and MZ will be the best 2 QB's on the roster next year.

Why design a package for a mobile QB like Andrew if your starter is EG?

 

[Pennick44]

I don't think he is asked to come back and doubt if he would accept.

 

[irishog77]

Why design a package for a mobile QB like Andrew if your starter is EG?

Well there's no need to. I was more saying that that would be the best case scenario for him-- POSSIBLY play in like 4 series over the course of the season.