'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

[dublinirish]

if Nathan Starks was running his own meth lab and getting A's in Chemistry would that look good on his transcripts?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

if Nathan Starks was running his own meth lab and getting A's in Chemistry would that look good on his transcripts?

Only if the meth lab was an extra-credit project.

 

[Buster Bluth]

if Nathan Starks was running his own meth lab and getting A's in Chemistry would that look good on his transcripts?

Meth goes in that "not even once" category haha

I'm spending my summer between spring and fall semester working for the family road construction company, and on the crew there is a guy, whom I trust and would consider a good guy, who lived out in California for 25 years. Of those 25, he was a meth user for 23 years. He got clean in 2000 and moved back to the midwest, but the stories he throws around about friends who had great jobs, BMWs, families, etc...and then the next year he would see them homeless and riding a rusty bike around trying to sell stolen copper for $20. WILD stories about meth from that guy. hahah

Not. Even. Once.

 

[calvegas04]

In today's world the negative vibe from drugs is decreasing everyday as people realize its an education and mental health issue, not so much a legal one.

For me, it's an issue of whether he was dealing drugs, not caught using them. And even then dealing them to strangers, not selling to friends. That's not "dealing" as the law insinuates haha And I could care less about anything if it were cannabis. Catching him with a pound and I won't think less of him. That stuff is harmless.

Also, this is why you don't try to raise kids in LAS VEGAS. Let alone the primo high school there. With the kind of money floating around, I'd bet that school has a huge drug underground.

Really do you know anything about Las Vegas other than whats on the Las Vegas strip?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Really do you know anything about Las Vegas other than whats on the Las Vegas strip?

Yes.

I also know kids and what happens in areas of affluence to assume, perhaps incorrectly, that Gorman has a significant drug scene. It's funny that Bogs came in with his bit, I was talking with a fellow recruitnik yesterday and talked about how I assumed Bishop Gorman is the St. John's equivalent of Las Vegas. Great school, deep pockets, and the wherewithal to make more "bad" decisions than poorer kids could. It's simple logic. That's why it's easy to find cocaine in frats and at wealthy universities, and only mid-grade weed at your local middle school.

 

[DillonHall]

If a regular student got kicked out his high school, ND admissions would laugh at the application and toss it out without even looking at the application. It's ridiculous that we'd accept someone like that in our dorms, classrooms, etc. just because he's good at football.

 

[NDdomer2]

If a regular student got kicked out his high school, ND admissions would laugh at the application and toss it out without even looking at the application. It's ridiculous that we'd accept someone like that in our dorms, classrooms, etc. just because he's good at football.

Life aint fair bro

 

[PANDFAN]

If a regular student got kicked out his high school, ND admissions would laugh at the application and toss it out without even looking at the application. It's ridiculous that we'd accept someone like that in our dorms, classrooms, etc. just because he's good at football.

get over yourself.....im sure you never broke any laws

 

[DillonHall]

get over yourself.....im sure you never broke any laws

I can't tell if you're kidding.

 

[greyhammer90]

Today: DillonHall learns how the world works.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Today: DillonHall learns how the world works.

 

[DillonHall]

Today: DillonHall learns how the world works.

It's alright, I highly doubt that Starks ever plays for ND

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not going to pretend to know what that means but it's trippy.

Anybody got any molly?

 

[DillonHall]

I'm not going to pretend to know what that means but it's trippy.

Anybody got any molly?

Nothing mysterious. Just think that this is a moot discussion; there's no way that Kelly and co. are going to get burned again by a recruit with character issues

 

[greyhammer90]

Nothing mysterious. Just think that this is a moot discussion; there's no way that Kelly and co. are going to get burned again by a recruit with character issues

I was talking about the gif.

 

[PANDFAN]

I can't tell if you're kidding.

wasn't in italics

 

[DillonHall]

wasn't in italics

Haha, I suspected as much (please don't give me another infraction Whiskey)

 

[Emcee77]

I've looked at this a hundred different ways -- from our point of view, from his point of view ... like 98 other ways (;0)) -- and I'm just not sure how we could take him. The situation would have to be muchmuchmuch less serious than it appears, to the point that his expulsion was manifestly unjust. And that does not appear to be the case ... I don't know exactly what he did, but the amounts of controlled substances that people are throwing out there are pretty large. I don't think it matters how harmless molly is or isn't; selling large amounts of any illegal drug shows reckless disregard for the law and raises a red flag. Unless there is reason to doubt that he did that, I don't see this recruitment continuing.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Haha, I suspected as much (please don't give me another infraction Whiskey)

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Haha, I suspected as much (please don't give me another infraction Whiskey)

He's got two strikes at the moment....

 

[calvegas04]

Great thing this is up to the coaches and not the posters.

 

[irishroo]

If a regular student got kicked out his high school, ND admissions would laugh at the application and toss it out without even looking at the application. It's ridiculous that we'd accept someone like that in our dorms, classrooms, etc. just because he's good at football.

Yeah and if a regular student applied to ND with a 3.0 high school GPA and a 21 on the ACT ND admissions would play trashketball with the application. We have different admissions standards for athletes and NARPs, thats the way it is (at the same time, totally agree that we should not take him).

 

[BGIF]

I'd imagine that the staff will continue to stay in touch, but because of the uncertainty academically his expulsion has caused that we would not accept a verbal at this time. Now, if he gets back in school and is back on a track to pass Notre Dame admissions, that's a horse of a different color.

Not a horse of a different color the only course of action! IF you don't pass ND Admississions it doesn't matter if you give a verbal. No one is a student at ND until ND Admissions. Ask Lou Holtz and Randy Moss.

I'd imagine he has some schoolwork to make up before he could even be considered by admissions, correct? I don't know how it works exactly, but I'd imagine he won't get credit for his second semester classes at BG and will need to fix that with summer school or some other means so he can meet the minimum requirements.

I don't know how it works, either. But it's goes to my comment above. He was expelled in mid-semester. IF he got partial credit, he still has to complete his core course requirements to the satisfaction of the NCAA Clearinghouse AND ND Admissions. IF some HS or prep school football factory grabbed him up and waived his incompletes don't expect the NCAA/ND to do the same. Auburn doesn't care about his academic credentials. They don't care about his ACT score or if he can spell his own name as long as he tests well at a Rivals or UnderArmour combine. ND does care.

If a regular student got kicked out his high school, ND admissions would laugh at the application and toss it out without even looking at the application. It's ridiculous that we'd accept someone like that in our dorms, classrooms, etc. just because he's good at football.

Like Andy and Clashmore, Dillion grasps the fundamental issue here. Be it academics or character issues ... Does ND accept applicants expelled from HS?


md_bennett and a few others, very few, recognized that in their posts. I believe Golden in thy fame nailed it in a sentence right after the story broke.

The majority of posters in this thread have filled the thread with their personal views and ideology ... depends upon the drug ... what would Augustine do ... Kelly would take him if the depth chart wasn't packed ... All irrelevant.

THIS IS NOTRE DAME, people.

Many are called, few are chosen.

The standards for entry are tough as are the standards on and off the field for the student body. Ask MacAlarney. Ask Yeatman. Ask Yuri and a lot of others. Ask Shepherd.

Holtz waged war with ND Admissions in '95 and lost two 5 star verbals which ND Admissions would not pass. A year later the legendary coach was gone.


Whatever the magnitude of Starks issues, and he has more than one now, he has a year to take positive action in his life. Actions not tweets.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

This is not about specifically about Mr. Starks.

ND has got some elite talent, and started to make exceptions for that elite talent. I mean, Tee Shepard? How does he even get enrolled at ND when he cant qualify at Oklahoma? Admissions is making exceptions...and I have a feeling those exceptions are on a tight rope. For Examples sake: Football players get admitted to ND when Id say 95% dont have the grades to get in as a regular student. Now admissions going to take chances on that 99% graduation rate for the team, and a chance they will make it through school. Now if one of those exceptions they had has a legal, or ResLife problem...I feel the trend that there is a zero tolerance policy as of late. Am i wrong?

In the case of Mr. Starks...I wouldnt be surprised to see him be recruited at a later point if he gets his **** in order. But in all reality he doesnt have much time to get that in order in ND's case. ND is recruiting top of the line kids, and they arent getting kicked out of school. So if ND fills up in June or July with slot/swing guys then where is Starks? That is why I dont think ND will actively go after him now. You are taking time away from a player that doesnt have the baggage.

 

[stlnd01]

Now if one of those exceptions they had has a legal, or ResLife problem...I feel the trend that there is a zero tolerance policy as of late. Am i wrong?

I do think there's a sizable difference between a Res Life problem while already enrolled - i.e. Floyd, Rees, etc. - and a kicked-out-of-school-level problem with a kid who's still in high school.
They have a much better understanding of, and influence over, the situation when the kid's already a student. And why take the chance on a recruit? There's other fish in the sea.

 

[irishfan]

This is not about specifically about Mr. Starks.

ND has got some elite talent, and started to make exceptions for that elite talent. I mean, Tee Shepard? How does he even get enrolled at ND when he cant qualify at Oklahoma? Admissions is making exceptions...and I have a feeling those exceptions are on a tight rope. For Examples sake: Football players get admitted to ND when Id say 95% dont have the grades to get in as a regular student. Now admissions going to take chances on that 99% graduation rate for the team, and a chance they will make it through school. Now if one of those exceptions they had has a legal, or ResLife problem...I feel the trend that there is a zero tolerance policy as of late. Am i wrong?

In the case of Mr. Starks...I wouldnt be surprised to see him be recruited at a later point if he gets his **** in order. But in all reality he doesnt have much time to get that in order in ND's case. ND is recruiting top of the line kids, and they arent getting kicked out of school. So if ND fills up in June or July with slot/swing guys then where is Starks? That is why I dont think ND will actively go after him now. You are taking time away from a player that doesnt have the baggage.

To add to this: In Meat Market (recruiting book by Bruce Feldman where he followed Ole Miss and Ed O for a whole year-its a must-read) he mentions how there was a recruit who he followed who couldn't get into Clemson but who ND had cleared. This was in 2006.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yes.

I also know kids and what happens in areas of affluence to assume, perhaps incorrectly, that Gorman has a significant drug scene. It's funny that Bogs came in with his bit, I was talking with a fellow recruitnik yesterday and talked about how I assumed Bishop Gorman is the St. John's equivalent of Las Vegas. Great school, deep pockets, and the wherewithal to make more "bad" decisions than poorer kids could. It's simple logic. That's why it's easy to find cocaine in frats and at wealthy universities, and only mid-grade weed at your local middle school.

Bit? BIT?


Get it?

M'Old HS QB was quite a drug dealer, after the fact. Running gun battles. Shot at least once. Air smuggling, etc. He is deceased now.

 

[Big23Head]

Working out with Ronnie
@Nate_Starks
good workout with @ronnie_stanley

 

[jspags10pg]

He at least looks within a few years of a high school kid in that picture. Good to see him and Ronnie still have a good relationship though.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

It's weird to see him with clear glasses on...