**Notre Dame Combine Invitees: Results & Analysis**

WakeUpEchoes

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I can't imagine much would change by the pro day. I think Manti trying to shed pounds for the combine had some effect, and maybe he focused more on shedding pounds rather than bulking up with muscle. Even so, I can't see him running any faster in just 3 weeks.
 

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I can't imagine much would change by the pro day. I think Manti trying to shed pounds for the combine had some effect, and maybe he focused more on shedding pounds rather than bulking up with muscle. Even so, I can't see him running any faster in just 3 weeks.

He said in an interview that he has been running in the 4.6 range while training in Orlando with Eifert. Guys tend to do much better at their own pro days than at the combine. Darrin Walls a few years back ran a high 4.5 at the combine and then managed to run a low 4.3 at the ND pro day. Guys will have some more time to train and will be in a comfortable, more familiar environment. We will see.
 

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He said in an interview that he has been running in the 4.6 range while training in Orlando with Eifert. Guys tend to do much better at their own pro days than at the combine. Darrin Walls a few years back ran a high 4.5 at the combine and then managed to run a low 4.3 at the ND pro day. Guys will have some more time to train and will be in a comfortable, more familiar environment. We will see.

Pro day 40s are also hand timed and the official times are released by the school I believe so they are going to be considerably faster.
 

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The bottom line is that Te'o is the new Tebow.

People are looking for ANYTHING to knock him on. They could just as easily be talking about his good 10-yard split and very solid performances in the shuttle / cone drill. It's the same reason people single out the 'Bama game while ignoring that Ogletree played EVEN WORSE than Te'o in the SEC Championship game. It's biased sensationalism at its finest.

Instead the headline is "slow 40" so ESPN can talk about it on Sports Center, PTI, Around the Horn, etc. Saying "he did good in some things, bad in others" doesn't sell. I think if Te'o's draft stock actually gets hurt it will be because the team doesn't want to draft a distraction/unpopular player.

Also Manti played at Notre Dame the school EVERYBODY loves to hate
 

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Pro day 40s are also hand timed and the official times are released by the school I believe so they are going to be considerably faster.

They might be released by the school, but I guarantee scouts do their own timing. I'm fairly certain they set up bleachers at the end of the 40 so they can time exactly when the runner crosses the line.
 

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He said in an interview that he has been running in the 4.6 range while training in Orlando with Eifert. Guys tend to do much better at their own pro days than at the combine. Darrin Walls a few years back ran a high 4.5 at the combine and then managed to run a low 4.3 at the ND pro day. Guys will have some more time to train and will be in a comfortable, more familiar environment. We will see.

Didn't know this. Thanks.

I mean if Manti had run a 4.6 or 4.7 and performed exactly the same in the other drills today, none of the nonsensical discussion in the media would be happening. Ridiculous.
 

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They might be released by the school, but I guarantee scouts do their own timing. I'm fairly certain they set up bleachers at the end of the 40 so they can time exactly when the runner crosses the line.

Oh yea definitely. I'm just saying that when u see a time come out .2 seconds faster it doesn't really mean he did way better. No one has a slower time released at their pro day
 

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Can anyone explain to me why they make them begin in a starting block? Yes, they are all doing it but it is not a football stance (unless maybe you rush off the corner). For someone like Manti, I am sure it was tough. I know they practice and have been training, but I would see it as a disadvantage to anyone who was not a track athlete.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why they make them begin in a starting block? Yes, they are all doing it but it is not a football stance (unless maybe you rush off the corner). For someone like Manti, I am sure it was tough. I know they practice and have been training, but I would see it as a disadvantage to anyone who was not a track athlete.


I don't think the stance is mandatory
 

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Absolutely love the Te'o to London Fletcher comparison. 5'9" 235 (dripping wet) to 6'1.25" 241 (confirmed by official combine measurements) is really similar.

Sixth in 3-cone, sixth in shuttle, faster 10-yard split than Luke Keuchly. I hope and pray he drops to the second round so my team can draft him.
 

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Absolutely love the Te'o to London Fletcher comparison. 5'9" 235 (dripping wet) to 6'1.25" 241 (confirmed by official combine measurements) is really similar.

Sixth in 3-cone, sixth in shuttle, faster 10-yard split than Luke Keuchly. I hope and pray he drops to the second round so my team can draft him.

I don't get the 40 time...not that I think it translates to being a good linebacker...but My eyes have been deceived. Watching him close on the edges...my mind always had him 4.6-4.7. I don't think it kills him, but I hope he does better at ND pro day...

I would have died and gone to heaven if he landed with my steelers, although line needs prolly outweigh Manti at any point in this draft...

Edit: unless we wanted to get the spiritual and character offset to big Ben?!?!
 
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Still think he lands last half of the 1st. He still has the ND pro-day to get his time lower and will most certainly do that. Again, 40 times are overrated, especially for a LB.
 

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Eifert's 40 was only 0.02 slower than Riddick's while his BJ was an inch better and his VJ was a whopping 3.5 inches better.

All while carrying an additional 49 pounds!
 

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Eifert's 40 was only 0.02 slower than Riddick's while his BJ was an inch better and his VJ was a whopping 3.5 inches better.

All while carrying an additional 49 pounds!

Tyler made some money this weekend!
 

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Eifert is just an athletic freak and will be making a lot of money very soon. He could be the best in the business in 3-4 years
 

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Anyone still arguing the fact that 40 times don't matter are crazy. They do. Ask Manti if he's not taken in the first round if they don't matter.

I love what John Clayton said, whom i respect a ton:

"Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o came out of Saturday's interview session with the national media and 20 team interviews at the combine with the impression that his fake girlfriend incident didn't drop his first-round grade. Te'o, his agents and those who prepared him for the interviews had to feel good. But Monday deflated the entire group. Te'o ran a 4.82 40 and could have possibly dropped out of the first round. Teams need fast linebackers who can drop into coverage and chase down tight ends or fast running backs."

No matter how thick your green goggles are, 40 matters. Speed matters. Do other guys succeed? Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But If I'm spending 1st round money on a LB, he's not coming off the field.

Do I think his 40 is going to make him a bad pro? No. But if he wants to be elite, he better get faster. Or hide it with exceptional instinct and tackling.
 

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Anyone still arguing the fact that 40 times don't matter are crazy. They do. Ask Manti if he's not taken in the first round if they don't matter.

I love what John Clayton said, whom i respect a ton:

"Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o came out of Saturday's interview session with the national media and 20 team interviews at the combine with the impression that his fake girlfriend incident didn't drop his first-round grade. Te'o, his agents and those who prepared him for the interviews had to feel good. But Monday deflated the entire group. Te'o ran a 4.82 40 and could have possibly dropped out of the first round. Teams need fast linebackers who can drop into coverage and chase down tight ends or fast running backs."

No matter how thick your green goggles are, 40 matters. Speed matters. Do other guys succeed? Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But If I'm spending 1st round money on a LB, he's not coming off the field.

Do I think his 40 is going to make him a bad pro? No. But if he wants to be elite, he better get faster. Or hide it with exceptional instinct and tackling.

John Clayton is a moron. Sorry you actually like him.

Look, his pro-day time will look better and he'll still be drafted in round 1. He's still faster than Brandon Spikes who is a good pro and was a great college LB. But drafting a guy based on 40 times is not smart.
 
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Anyone still arguing the fact that 40 times don't matter are crazy. They do. Ask Manti if he's not taken in the first round if they don't matter.

I love what John Clayton said, whom i respect a ton:

"Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o came out of Saturday's interview session with the national media and 20 team interviews at the combine with the impression that his fake girlfriend incident didn't drop his first-round grade. Te'o, his agents and those who prepared him for the interviews had to feel good. But Monday deflated the entire group. Te'o ran a 4.82 40 and could have possibly dropped out of the first round. Teams need fast linebackers who can drop into coverage and chase down tight ends or fast running backs."

No matter how thick your green goggles are, 40 matters. Speed matters. Do other guys succeed? Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But If I'm spending 1st round money on a LB, he's not coming off the field.

Do I think his 40 is going to make him a bad pro? No. But if he wants to be elite, he better get faster. Or hide it with exceptional instinct and tackling.

I'm sorry but I can't agree. While he needs to improve his 4.82 during his pro-day, it's not as important as it is pumped up to be. Analysts were saying at his size, they would like a 4.75 or better, that's most certainly attainable and for what he has gone through the past few months, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We have seen him play his entire career, at what point did his 40 time matter?

I'm not understanding how 40 time equates to stamina as people are suggesting because of his 40 time that he cant be an every down LB.

Honey Badger did 4 reps at 225. Why don't you hear about that more? He was also kicked off the team. Again, don't hear much about it. Bring up Manti and the wolves come out. People love to nit pick.

From The Chicago Tribune: (Chicago Bears: It's a good time to buy on Manti Te'o - chicagotribune.com)

It's never a bad thing to run a sizzling 40, but the truth is track speed has little to do with middle linebacker play. "If a middle linebacker runs a 4.82 but he is instinctive and quick in a short area, the 40-yard dash time doesn't matter," one AFC general manager said. "At that position what matters is they are productive and make plays."

Lofa Tatupu ran a 4.83 in the 40-yard dash and promptly made three Pro Bowl appearances as a member of the Seahawks.

In the 20-yard shuttle, which measures short-area quickness and ability to change direction, Te'o had a respectable time of 4.27.

More than one front-office man said Te'o looked tense and nervous, and that they expect him to test better at his pro day in South Bend.

Many NFL teams were more interested in listening to Te'o talk at the combine than they were in watching him prance around wearing Lycra. And according to four team executives who interviewed Te'o, he talked as well as he played last season — which is to say he did a fine job in interviews.

"Manti did a real good job with the interview," Bucs general manager Mark Dominik said. "You could see how smart he was, how bright he was."

Vikings general manager Rick Spielman praised Te'o for being upbeat and full of energy in their interview session even though he was being interviewed at 10:45 p.m. after Te'o previously had been interviewed by a dozen or so teams.

Ultimately, what should carry the evaluation of Te'o is his body of work at Notre Dame. That body of work includes his performance against Alabama — but it also includes performances in 48 other college starts.

"Guys all have tough games," Dominik said. "You have to look at the whole season. You can't look at one game and say that defines the guy."

The most challenging part of evaluating Te'o might be focusing strictly on the football player and everything he did between the lines.

"I think a lot has been blown out of proportion with Manti," Giants general manager Jerry Reese said. "We have to depend mostly on our evaluation on what he did on the field. We talk to them about off-field issues, take psychological inventories, and find out as much as we can. But at some point you can talk yourself out of some good football players with too much information. We try not to do that. We don't put our head in the sand, but we don't overanalyze the information we get either."

I'd like to think these GMs know what they are talking about more then Clayton.
 
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Anyone still arguing the fact that 40 times don't matter are crazy. They do. Ask Manti if he's not taken in the first round if they don't matter.

I love what John Clayton said, whom i respect a ton:

"Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o came out of Saturday's interview session with the national media and 20 team interviews at the combine with the impression that his fake girlfriend incident didn't drop his first-round grade. Te'o, his agents and those who prepared him for the interviews had to feel good. But Monday deflated the entire group. Te'o ran a 4.82 40 and could have possibly dropped out of the first round. Teams need fast linebackers who can drop into coverage and chase down tight ends or fast running backs."

No matter how thick your green goggles are, 40 matters. Speed matters. Do other guys succeed? Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But If I'm spending 1st round money on a LB, he's not coming off the field.

Do I think his 40 is going to make him a bad pro? No. But if he wants to be elite, he better get faster. Or hide it with exceptional instinct and tackling.

Sigh... you're really missing the point (and so is Clayton) with what you bolded. That's true of a lot of LB positions. It's really, really not remotely accurate for a 4-3 MLB in almost all schemes.

If anything, they will view it as a knock on his sideline to sideline speed and ability to snuff out running plays getting to the perimeter. They will give zero f*cks about his ability to cover a TE in man-to-man coverage on a seam route and run 40 yards straight down the field.
 

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Sigh... you're really missing the point (and so is Clayton) with what you bolded. That's true of a lot of LB positions. It's really, really not remotely accurate for a 4-3 MLB in almost all schemes.

If anything, they will view it as a knock on his sideline to sideline speed and ability to snuff out running plays getting to the perimeter. They will give zero f*cks about his ability to cover a TE in man-to-man coverage on a seam route and run 40 yards straight down the field.

I'm sure Clayton would love to hear from you....Maybe you could teach him a thing or two about scouting linebackers?
 

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Motta did 11 reps of 225. Lowest of all safeties.

If we are talking about the least important workout at the combine, its probably bench press.

He needs to do well in the position drills and shuttles today though if he wants to make it in the top half of the draft.

Go Zeke!
 
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